Game Thread: #5 Tennessee (19-11, 10-6 SEC) vs #1 South Carolina (30-0, 16-0 SEC) Saturday 3/9/24 ~4:30 pm ET (ESPNU)

[Lucy]

I'm glad you asked. PP, their first option for a 3, was in absolute lockdown by the incredibly mentally tough JP. Who was fresh off the worst moment of her young life when she missed those fts. She never skipped a beat, gathered herself and got back on D.

Jewel was still guarding Fulwiley, who was still shaking from having gotten away with that double dribble. Sara was guarding Watkins I believe, and maybe trying to foul her w our last foul to give.

JP actually owned PP defensively during the 3 game series. PP I believe is the national leader in 3 pt %, but JP held her to 1-8 shooting, 1-4 3 pt Saturday. Held her scoreless on 0-9 shooting when they played here. Sure wish this was more widely known.

Also, as creek noted earlier, JP got joustled hard when the SC stormed the court, but kept composure and just walked out of the tangle. After the sh*tshow yesterday, I will never not admire the sh*t out of that about JP.

Thanks! Who was Rikea between? Cardozo and ?
I love JP!

 

[glv98]

I also would’ve been a huge fan of Jillian guarding the inbound pass

If they could have gotten her in during the changeover, or if they had called timeout, I would have definitely put Jill in to guard the inbound. Not only did the odd positioning of Rickea keep KC uncovered, it made the pass easy. Not sure I'll ever understand.

 

[glv98]

Thanks! Who was Rikea between? Cardozo and ?
I love JP!

Between Kamilla who was around the ft line, and the sideline where Raven was inbounding.

Rickea's first instinct was guard KC and she walked up to her. Then Kellie visably backed her off and she went toward the sideline as if to guard the inbound. Then Kellie motions her back into that odd position in between, and is clearly settled in w the positioning.

 

[mudcat1973]

I do remember seeing Kellie waving and gesturing with both hands trying to position the defense. Saw it on replay, too.

Don't remember if this was before or after Cardoso came up top.

I have watched the ending to Kellie was waving/pointing /Talking right up to ref hand ball to ref @creekdipper

Your right Kellie was trying to give directions few seconds before ref gave South Carolina theBBall
But with the noise of the Fans
Kellie Should called timE her last OOne I think maybe had two
Gotten their Best five defense player in
A sign each player a player to- guard
Don't give up and one but guard

 

[LV renaissance]

At some point it’s all yapping for attention

They said their peace and the same talking points since Carson Newman… nothing new no value added

And they never credit the wins… bc it goes against their narrative

U can’t deny it’s become tiresome

U can only say fire Kellie, we have d2 talent, we’re lazy, Pat is rolling in her grave, look how far the LVs have fallen so many ways..

Pull a Darth and just leave pls for everyone’s sake

They don’t care about these players, coaches, or team… just some ghost of past “perfection” (and only watch games on ESPN)

I am likely in a minority here, but Darth didn't bother me. Yes, they were annoying at times and predictable, but at least they had moments when they were sharp, humorous, or on a rare occasion right. It was crystal clear that they didn't like Kellie but it seemed that they did like the good old days of the LVs and followed WBB to some extent. Some of the goons that post here during or after a loss are nothing but demeaning, thoughtless, and don't seem to have any knowledge of WBB or the LVs. I learned real fast to just jump over those comments, as most of the drive-bys are already gone when the dust settles and their piss stain on this forum is already fading.

 

[Amb3096]

I am likely in a minority here, but Darth bothered me. Yes, they were annoying at times and predictable, but at least they had moments when they were sharp, humorous, or on a rare occasion right. It was crystal clear that they didn't like Kellie but it seemed that they did like the good old days of the LVs and followed WBB to some extent. Some of the goons that post here during or after a loss are nothing but demeaning, thoughtless, and don't seem to have any knowledge of WBB or the LVs. I learned real fast to just jump over those comments, as most of the drive-bys are already gone when the dust settles and their piss stain on this forum is already fading.

I wonder what happened to Darth?

 

[VolBall09]

I wonder what happened to Darth?

Probably got kicked out of his mothers basement and lost his internet privileges.

 

[Coach Jumper]

How Kamilla Cardoso's game-winning 3-pointer came together for South Carolina women's basketball

Kamilla Cardoso didn't know the play for South Carolina, but her 3-pointer sent the Gamecocks past the Lady Vols in the SEC Tournament semifinals.

www.greenvilleonline.com

Greenville Online

"Originally, the play called for Cardoso to get the inbounds pass and find senior guard Te-Hina Paopao, the best 3-point shooter in the nation. Paopao, though, was heavily defended, so Staley told Cardoso to shoot it."

when,,,watch the film!

 

[Coach Jumper]

The issue for me is what the heck are they doing with RIckea. If you use Key for rim protection, Rickea has to either guard KC, as she initially set up for, or guard the inbound, which she later went toward. But Kellie parked her inexplicably in between where her best athlete was essentially frozen out of either task.

My choice would have been Rickea all over the inbound, and Key cheating toward Kamilla if she didn't make a rim run, and closing out on her if she made a catch. But nowhere near fouling.

I get not wanting TK to straight up guard KC 1 on 1. She would have either fouled her or KC would have gone by her.

1.1 seconds is a catch and shoot ONLY
It takes more than a second to make a ""received inbound pass pass it to another player and for them to shoot/drive,,,CLock starts when SC touches the inbound,,it would have to be a touch-pass to an immediate shooter and even that would take more than 1.1 seconds...You've gotta know that

 

[glv98]

1.1 seconds is a catch and shoot ONLY
It takes more than a second to make a ""received inbound pass pass it to another player and for them to shoot/drive,,,CLock starts when SC touches the inbound,,it would have to be a touch-pass to an immediate shooter and even that would take more than 1.1 seconds...You've gotta know that

Everyone did know that. Which makes it all the more inexplicable that she chose neither to pressure the inbounds pass nor guard every player. I'll never understand why she intentionally placed Rickea in no man's land to do neither.

Also, they had lined up exactly the same way on the previous inbound at the baseline. No ball pressure and Rickea kind of floating.

I think I feel about that strategy the same way you feel about the reluctance to take t.o.s. Don't get it.

 

[Voltopia]

I am likely in a minority here, but Darth didn't bother me. Yes, they were annoying at times and predictable, but at least they had moments when they were sharp, humorous, or on a rare occasion right. It was crystal clear that they didn't like Kellie but it seemed that they did like the good old days of the LVs and followed WBB to some extent. Some of the goons that post here during or after a loss are nothing but demeaning, thoughtless, and don't seem to have any knowledge of WBB or the LVs. I learned real fast to just jump over those comments, as most of the drive-bys are already gone when the dust settles and their piss stain on this forum is already fading.

I was neutral on Darth for some time, but they tended to make personally mocking and derisive remarks about the players and the coaches that were far too much for the message board dedicated to discussing the program. Some of his comments were disparaging to the degree I will never believe the idea that they were ever a supporter of Tennessee. The player stuff was worse than the coaches. Coaches are one thing, but some of those player remarks were snotty and tasteless.

And considering that they never seemed to be positive about the team - saying almost nothing when they won, only commenting when it failed or performed poorly, or when there was a chance to say something sarcastic about Tennessee - I don't miss it.

You're right about one thing though. It's only multiplied since. Some want attention, but sometimes I think we have a few people operating as fake fans so they can just say things to stir the place up. I know there's people on other boards who mock this forum, so it wouldn't shock me to learn a few made up accounts just so they can get on and mess with everyone.

 

[madtownvol]

Didn't appear to me Key had much to do with it. They wanted her protecting the rim and that's what she did. They never wanted her actually guarding Kamilla. Way too much danger of getting beat to the rim w a lob. All the attention and positioning during the changeover concerned Rickea.

Point is, both appear to be in exactly the position KJH wanted them in. It's been speculated they didn't know, didn't obey, etc. Kellie said in the presser they didn't get everyone where they needed to be, yet she was completely settled in with it in the moment.

I just watched a replay and it is worse than I remembered it being. Kellie's quote, "We didn't get where we needed to to get that defended", is perhaps the understatement of the century. At the end of the day, it comes down to, I hate to say it, the LVs (players and coaches) were not ready for the moment and South Carolina was. If this painful memory becomes part of a learning process that leads to something greater than it is all good. A final four spot redeems this tragic loss. Such a goal sounds crazy given the teams record, and playing from a 7 or 8 seed, but 3 close matches with SC, including this woulda, coulda, near victory, is reason to be optimistic that the LVs could be this year's Cinderella team. They have shown resiliency this season and now is the time to be super resilient!

 

[VolBall09]

I just watched a replay and it is worse than I remembered it being. Kellie's quote, "We didn't get where we needed to to get that defended", is perhaps the understatement of the century. At the end of the day, it comes down to, I hate to say it, the LVs (players and coaches) were not ready for the moment and South Carolina was. If this painful memory becomes part of a learning process that leads to something greater than it is all good. A final four spot redeems this tragic loss. Such a goal sounds crazy given the teams record, and playing from a 7 or 8 seed, but 3 close matches with SC, including this woulda, coulda, near victory, is reason to be optimistic that the LVs could be this year's Cinderella team. They have shown resiliency this season and now is the time to be super resilient!

Coaching malpractice that we will be seeded that low though. Our early season schedule screwed this team.

 

[madtownvol]

Coaching malpractice that we will be seeded that low though. Our early season schedule screwed this team.

It was really Rickea's injury that killed us plus not closing out the Florida St game and wasting a masterpiece game from Rickea.

I think they can recover.

 

[VolBall09]

It was really Rickea's injury that killed us plus not closing out the Florida St game and wasting a masterpiece game from Rickea.

I think they can recover.

No guarantee we win any of those with Rickea. Kellie needs to stop over estimating her abilities. Her record against ranked opponents is…not good.

Even with Rickea we beat exactly 0 ranked teams.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I was neutral on Darth for some time, but they tended to make personally mocking and derisive remarks about the players and the coaches that were far too much for the message board dedicated to discussing the program. Some of his comments were disparaging to the degree I will never believe the idea that they were ever a supporter of Tennessee. The player stuff was worse than the coaches. Coaches are one thing, but some of those player remarks were snotty and tasteless.

And considering that they never seemed to be positive about the team - saying almost nothing when they won, only commenting when it failed or performed poorly, or when there was a chance to say something sarcastic about Tennessee - I don't miss it.

You're right about one thing though. It's only multiplied since. Some want attention, but sometimes I think we have a few people operating as fake fans so they can just say things to stir the place up. I know there's people on other boards who mock this forum, so it wouldn't shock me to learn a few made up accounts just so they can get on and mess with everyone.

Not sorry, I

 

[glv98]

I just watched a replay and it is worse than I remembered it being.

That's what got me on this huge roll about it! Live was bad enough, didn't watch replay but was saying "Kellie would have never . . .". Thought players must have been confused, miscommunication, but nah. Watched the replay and they were right where Kellie put them.

Apparently that's a designed out of bounds defense play ( believe it or not) bc they did the exact same thing the previous SC inbound before JP got the rebound. No ball pressure and Rickea kind of floating. I like that about as much as I like the end of quarter play.

Kellie's quote, "We didn't get where we needed to to get that defended"

In light of the above, this is bothersome to me. She also said they were "trying to get Rickea back into the play." But you can see her moving Rickea OUT of either the play on the ball or the play on KC, both of which RIckea starts toward at one point before being directed away again by Kellie. If anyone was "not where we needed to get that defended" it's because she sent them to the wrong place.

I know she was devastated and the reporters were trying to gentle. But I wish Cora would ask her about this again.

 

[Lucy]

I am likely in a minority here, but Darth didn't bother me. Yes, they were annoying at times and predictable, but at least they had moments when they were sharp, humorous, or on a rare occasion right. It was crystal clear that they didn't like Kellie but it seemed that they did like the good old days of the LVs and followed WBB to some extent. Some of the goons that post here during or after a loss are nothing but demeaning, thoughtless, and don't seem to have any knowledge of WBB or the LVs. I learned real fast to just jump over those comments, as most of the drive-bys are already gone when the dust settles and their piss stain on this forum is already fading.

Vandy Troll

 

[Coach Jumper]

No chance a reporter who wants to stay a reporter will ask the hard questions we here can ask openly

 

[glv98]

No chance a reporter who wants to stay a reporter will ask the hard questions we here can ask openly

Actually it was the first thing they asked her after the players left the presser. That's when she broke down. Also when she said didn't get where they needed to be, etc. Which is bizarre bc they're clearly where she put them. But she was understandably very upset so they didn't press her. I kinda see Cora asking it, maybe even of an assistant now with a few days gone by.

 

[VolFuture]

Actually it was the first thing they asked her after the players left the presser. That's when she broke down. Also when she said didn't get where they needed to be, etc. Which is bizarre bc they're clearly where she put them. But she was understandably very upset so they didn't press her. I kinda see Cora asking it, maybe even of an assistant now with a few days gone by.

Or maybe she’s covering for them not listening.

 

[glv98]

Or maybe she’s covering for them not listening.

I have to find that clip. They were 100% listening. You can watch Kellie orchestrate every step, esp w Rickea. Moved her exactly where she wanted her. Even had time to spare before the inbound, confirming they were where she wanted them. If you see the clip, there's zero question about that.

 

[VolBall09]

I have to find that clip. They were 100% listening. You can watch Kellie orchestrate every step, esp w Rickea. Moved her exactly where she wanted her. Even had time to spare before the inbound, confirming they were where she wanted them. If you see the clip, there's zero question about that.

Which begs the question…why??????? Why on Gods green earth would she direct them to play defense like that in that situation? Very poor in game judgement.

 

[glv98]

Which begs the question…why??????? Why on Gods green earth would she direct them to play defense like that in that situation? Very poor in game judgement.

LOL that's why I'm on such a roll. It seems inexplicable. But they did the same thing on the previous inbounds play.

Bet there's an analytic somewhere . . .

 

[Coach Jumper]

Actually it was the first thing they asked her after the players left the presser. That's when she broke down. Also when she said didn't get where they needed to be, etc. Which is bizarre bc they're clearly where she put them. But she was understandably very upset so they didn't press her. I kinda see Cora asking it, maybe even of an assistant now with a few days gone by.

this is why timeouts are an essential coaching tool..possibly it would have made a difference,,,but at least you have time to get information, talk it, plan it, execute it....1.1 seconds is a definite catch and shoot time,,,there would be no rebound (not time enough for RB),,Man on man and put JIllian on the in-bounder