Game Thread Lady Vols at Texas A&M

The coaches who have been really succesful for a long time use analytics heavily not just on offense and defense but also with conditioning.

Successful coaches would also take the opposing team's best player missing over 2/3 of her shots...
 
Successful coaches would also take the opposing team's best player missing over 2/3 of her shots...

Sure. Some would be fine with just that. Some would prefer she missed 2/3 of 21 shots instead of 2/3 of 31 shots. It's really just a difference of opinion. I try to stear towards the more cautious side in sports mainly because anything can happen. The ball starts bouncing their way and you have a performance like Louisville the other night. I say why even give them the oppotunity to think they have a chance?

It's like the Auburn game last week. They missed how many shots? That's expected right. Everyone knows Auburn can't shoot but they will turn you over because they need those extra possessions to even keep it resepctable. They got 30 more shots which made it a game. In your scenario I'm guessing (correct me if I am wrong) you'd say, so what they got 30 more shots they shoot 30% or whatever. I'd say they were going to shoot 30% anyway how about we work on them not getting 30 more shots.
 
Successful coaches would also take the opposing team's best player missing over 2/3 of her shots...

Statistics are just that. Probability or expectations! Texas A&M shot around 30%for the game and that will get you beat. Especially when we shoot 42%.

We got beat by them penetrating and drawing fouls!
They shot 26 and we shot 11. They beat us at foul line!!!

Which is our recipe for the first 15 games.... They beat us at our own game.!!!! Simple
 
Statistics are just that. Probability or expectations! Texas A&M shot around 30%for the game and that will get you beat. Especially when we shoot 42%.

We got beat by them penetrating and drawing fouls!
They shot 26 and we shot 11. They beat us at foul line!!!

Which is our recipe for the first 15 games.... They beat us at our own game.!!!! Simple
Last nights game moved TAMU from 4th or 5th in the country at drawing fouls to 2nd now behind Tennessee. Next time around we will see who imposes their will better. It does make me nervous about the South Carolina game and if there will be theatrics there because of the game last year. That one couls be called extremely tight.
 
Last nights game moved TAMU from 4th or 5th in the country at drawing fouls to 2nd now behind Tennessee. Next time around we will see who imposes their will better. It does make me nervous about the South Carolina game and if there will be theatrics there because of the game last year. That one couls be called extremely tight.

Do you root for the Lady Vols or against them?
 
Road games in the SEC are going to be tough for everybody this season. I am hoping we can go 5 and 3 on the road and win all 8 home games would give us 13 and 3 and definitely will be right there for the league title.
 
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We got beat by them penetrating and drawing fouls!
They shot 26 and we shot 11. They beat us at foul line!!!

I agree they lost due to free throws. The loss was close because their best player missed an insane number of shots....
 
I agree they lost due to free throws. The loss was close because their best player missed an insane number of shots....



She went 9 for 31 and three of our players Westbrook, Nared, and Jackson went 10 for 36 so they cancelled each other out making the free throw line and getting there the determining factor.
 
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She went 9 for 31 and three of our players Westbrook, Nared, and Jackson went 10 for 36 so they cancelled each other out making the free throw line and getting there the determining factor.

Pretty sure I just said that...? :question: But Nared finished with 18 points and 7 rebounds. Westbrook finished with 9 points and 7 assists. According to analytics they played great....
 
Pretty sure I just said that...? :question: But Nared finished with 18 points and 7 rebounds. Westbrook finished with 9 points and 7 assists. According to analytics they played great....


You can score a lot of points if you take enough shots. If your not efficient then your doing nothing. Of course I agree with you they didn't play that great.
They played ok because of the rebounds and assists and the way they were shooting should have given up more to someone that was shooting better.
 
I mean I guess thats debatable.

No, it's not. Carter was so inefficient that she clearly hurt her team. If you don't have as many points as shots taken, then you've hurt your team on offense.

I'm an analytics guy.

Actually, that is what's debatable. Carter shot way below her season average and was incredibly inefficient. Whoever played d on her played very good d.
 
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the pressure to play defense on carter was what kept Tennessee out of sync all game. imho

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Do you root for the Lady Vols or against them?

I'm generally pretty indifferent. Unless it's a "rivalry" match up. In that instance I root for the underdog unless it's a UConn game ofcourse. I would love for South Carolina & Tennessee to be rivals but I think the coaches like each other too much for that to happen. I can't say that I have ever rooted for the LV but I am also a UConn fan and am pretty sure I'd be burned at the stake by some of my comrads if I had. Admittedly, I have only been watching the LV regularly the last 3 years so I'm newish to their game.
 
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I'm generally pretty indifferent. Unless it's a "rivalry" match up. In that instance I root for the underdog unless it's a UConn game ofcourse. I would love for South Carolina & Tennessee to be rivals but I think the coaches like each other too much for that to happen. I can't say that I have ever rooted for the LV but I am also a UConn fan and am pretty sure I'd be burned at the stake by some of my comrads if I had. Admittedly, I have only been watching the LV regularly the last 3 years so I'm newish to their game.

What were you nervous about with the UT/USC game?
 
I'm generally pretty indifferent. Unless it's a "rivalry" match up. In that instance I root for the underdog unless it's a UConn game ofcourse. I would love for South Carolina & Tennessee to be rivals but I think the coaches like each other too much for that to happen. I can't say that I have ever rooted for the LV but I am also a UConn fan and am pretty sure I'd be burned at the stake by some of my comrads if I had. Admittedly, I have only been watching the LV regularly the last 3 years so I'm newish to their game.
Not trying to be smart but if you are not a lv fan then why are you here?
 
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No, it's not. Carter was so inefficient that she clearly hurt her team. If you don't have as many points as shots taken, then you've hurt your team on offense.

So you're under the impression that TAMU should have won by 10+, had it not been for great defense on Carter. I am not opposed to others opinions. I can buy that. But since she shot so poorly is your final determination that they won on the free throw differential alone? Also, im assuming your metric only factors in FGAs as shots but includes made free throws in the points section?

Actually, that is what's debatable. Carter shot way below her season average and was incredibly inefficient. Whoever played d on her played very good d.

I don't use season avg. as stated previously. I try to use what DI coaches use in their analytics which is the last 6 games because I want to see what they see. I did only used 4 this time because that was what was readily available on the TAMU website at the time so that could cause a bit of a discrepancy.

Looking at the traditional last 6 game stats she avg 20.5PPG, 5.5 Assists, & 3 Rebounds per game. She shot under 30% vs Tennessee and over 40% on avg vs the previous 6. So while Carter may have been inefficient % wise she still got her numbers. Which was my point. I was more concerend about reducing her attempts to make it harder to get her numbers. This goes right along with the post I made last week about defense starting before the player gets the ball and not after. Because based on your metric she was 1 made basket away from being efficient vs South Carolina (where she was able to score 36) even though many on this board have called that game for her wildly inefficient & selfish because she took 37 shots. This is why I look beyond a % and at analytics by player.

I suppose if you feel like they can't stop her then that's different. I still feel like Carter getting her numbers and Meme (as well as those that were subbed in for her) not getting theirs had more of an impact on the game. Carter played an inefficient 44 minutes and scored 21 points. Jackson & Hayes had an even more inefficient 44 minutes and scored 1 point. I totally see your point though, I just look at the game differently.

I don't know what the specific coach given analytics are for Tennessee or TAMU players is but for example I do know for a fact that Crystal Dangerfield's staff given analytics goal is 20 with the formula being Points + Assists - Turnovers must = 20+ I think it's just interesting and I honestly appreciate the good WCBB talk, even if we never agree.
 
What were you nervous about with the UT/USC game?

I was thinking about it in terms of how a coach may feel given the recent hullabalu around fouls & the situation that happened last year with the South Carolina AD.

Not trying to be smart but if you are not a lv fan then why are you here?

I frequent a lot of boards. I watch teams from all conferences. I like to talk WCBB. I am one of the few fans of the sport overall. I haven't had much in the way of negative experiences here. I generally stay clear of the "Holly talk" unless directly asked about it. I guess the simple way to put it is I've enjoyed the forum thus far.
 
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