Game Thread: Lady Vols v Mizzou 3 PM Sunday at Mizzou, SEC+ (stream)

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madtownvol said:
Just to clarify, the situation where a team has a let down after a big win or upset is not what I was conjecturing about. Upsets typically happen because an underdog plays way above their baseline performance level. They are exceptional wins because they are exceptions to statistical probabilities. And even teams that are not underdogs can aso have emotional let downs after a really big win against a rival.

Trap games usually refer to the idea of a team in the normal order of business not focusing or getting up sufficiently for "a run of the mill" foe because they are looking ahead.
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What you're describing in your first paragraph is what we call "Hangover" , a type of trap. Your
last paragraph is what LV Renaissance was leary about.
Nevertheless , "Trap Games" aren't "the imagination of fan" but a reality and a science
among us sports bettors . There are other types as well.
 
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Tennessee Lady Vols basketball vs. Missouri: Scouting report, score prediction
Cora Hall
Knoxville News Sentinel

Lady Vols basketball is back on the road after two wins at home.

Tennessee (15-6, 7-0 SEC) faces Missouri (14-5, 3-3) on Sunday (3 p.m. ET, SEC Network+) at Mizzou Arena. The Lady Vols are coming off a 74-56 win against Florida, and the Tigers were off Thursday after losing 81-50 at South Carolina on Sunday.

Here's what you need to know about the matchup in Columbia, Missouri:

STEPPING UP ON DEFENSE:How Lady Vols basketball made stark defensive turnaround and began shutting down SEC foes

BACK ON THE BALLOT:How Lady Vols writer Cora Hall voted in the AP Top 25: Why I'm voting for Tennessee again

LADY VOLS TRENDING UP:Three reasons for Lady Vols basketball's positive trajectory and 6-0 start to SEC play


Missouri on a downward spiral
The Tigers started off SEC play 3-0. Then they lost the next three games by more than 20 points to Arkansas, LSU and South Carolina.

In each loss, Missouri scored fewer than 60 points. The Lady Vols have hit their stride on defense and held their last three opponents to an average of 53.7 points.

But the Tigers have had all week to prepare at home for the matchup, and they're starving for a win. Missouri can be a trap game, especially at its own arena, and Tennessee will need to be sharp Sunday.

Missouri's Lauren Hansen (1) heads to the basket as LSU's Alexis Morris defends during the first half of an NCAA college basketball game Thursday, Jan. 12, 2023, in Columbia, Mo. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson)
Tennessee can pick its poison against Tigers defense
Missouri has gotten beat in different ways the last three games.

Arkansas crushed the Tigers with 40 points in the paint. LSU hit 10 of 15 attempts from behind the arc. South Carolina outrebounded Missouri 52-22 and scored 29 second-chance points.

Tennessee has won games with each of those methods in SEC play. The Lady Vols prefer to dominate in the paint like they did with 44 points against Florida. But when Georgia kept them from getting to the rim, they hit eight 3-pointers.

Limiting turnovers and being disciplined on the boards will be key for Tennessee. Missouri was able to force LSU into 19 turnovers, which it scored 24 points off of.

Tennessee guard/forward Tess Darby (21) shoots the ball as Florida guard Leilani Correa (23) defends during a game at Thompson-Boling Arena in Knoxville, Tenn., on Thursday, Jan. 19, 2023.
A chance for Tennessee defense to keep building
Missouri's biggest threats offensively are its guards and Hayley Frank, a 6-foot-1 forward.

With Tennessee's size and athleticism, it should keep the Tigers out of the paint. But Missouri can shoot from deep, and it'll test the Lady Vols' guards on the perimeter. Lauren Hansen has made 44 3-pointers on 34.9% shooting and Frank is right behind her with 42 made 3-pointers on 39.3% shooting.

Part of the Lady Vols' defensive turnaround is their perimeter defense. SEC opponents made an average of 6.4 3-pointers against Tennessee the first five games. But the Lady Vols held Georgia to 0-for-14 from deep and Florida went 3-for-13 on Thursday – continuing to build on that is key.

Tennessee guard Jasmine Powell (15) defends against Florida guard Alberte Rimdal (5) during a game at Thompson-Boling Arena in Knoxville, Tenn., on Thursday, Jan. 19, 2023.
Lady Vols basketball vs. Missouri: Our score prediction
Tennessee 71, Missouri 53: It's hard to dig yourself out of a three-game losing streak against an undefeated team in conference play. With the momentum Tennessee has built, I believe it'll continue to build on its performances on both ends of the court. As long as the Lady Vols stay disciplined and execute the game plan, they'll bring home a win from Columbia.

Coach Jumper's prediction: 84-70
@VolBalls33 71-67
@LV renaissance 65-59
@Volfan2012 75-63
@VolBall09 78-57
@Ladyvol777 82-60
@chuckiepoo 73-62
@Vols2015 74-61
@volnationnj 74-68
@Raebo 75-57
@37620VOL 75-68
@dillyo51 71-61
@Orange Maniac 68-54
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Prophet1 said:
What you're describing in your first paragraph is what we call "Hangover" , a type of trap. Your
last paragraph is what LV Renaissance was leary about.
Nevertheless , "Trap Games" aren't "the imagination of fan" but a reality and a science
among us sports bettors . There are other types as well.
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Since you mentioned science, the idea of a trap game has been debunked by statistical analyses: A key quote from the cited analysis:

Our baseline comparison is the same as in the trap game sample: above .500 teams have beaten below .500 teams 79.5% of the time from 2002-2011. In possible letdown games, the above .500 team won 82.2% of the time over 242 games – 2.7 percentage points higher than in the overall sample. Like the difference in trap game win percentage, this difference is not statistically significant (t = 0.30). Again, we fail to reject the null hypothesis that good teams beat bad teams at a lower rate when coming off of a good win than they do in any other game against a below .500 team.
This analysis does not prove that individual losses were not in part due to some psychological factor like the “trap game” and “letdown game” ideas suggest. However, claiming that a specific mentality is directly responsible for a particular loss is completely unfalsifiable, and so not worth arguing over.
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Debunking the Trap Game and Letdown Game Myths


When you check out betting sites, they list as "trap games" as encompassing all sorts of situations such as, for example, the favored team is resting key players because they have a playoff spot solidified and hence have nothing to play for, as well as hangover games and just about anything else under the sun that could contribute to a loss.

And certainly if a team has locked up its play off spot and is resting its best players, its odds of winning are going to go down but that really does not have that much to do with the psychology of players so much as a coaching decision about not risking injuries.

And it turns out the conventional definition of trap game, as a let down or hangover game, does not generate losses at a greater rate than any other games (as per the cited article). Yes, sometimes better teams lose to underdogs as a matter of probability. And whenever that happens, in hindsight, people will explain it as a being due to a "trap game". In effect, trap game becomes a synonym for an upset loss. Oh, my Tennessee was a trap game for Alabama! South Carolina was a trap game for Tennessee and so on.

It is an appealing story that comfortingly implies that people (teams) completely control their own fate-- the better team will never lose so long as they are sufficiently focused--but the reality is that everyone is subject to the randomness of probabilities. One team may be capable of defeating another team over the long run 90% of the time but that 1 in 10 ten chance can always happen in THIS game.

The trap game is yet another sports myth that does not bear up to analytic scrutiny.
 
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Interesting update about trap games. I do know psychology is a big factor in sports, and how a coach and team leaders approach any game can make a big difference. There are some coaches who may lose focus when a monumental game is coming up after a weak opponent, but I imagine the good coaches don't. Some coaches are great at getting teams up for games they are the underdog but aren't as good at being a big favorite (Dale Brown at LSU for example). I do think Kelly's temperament is likely a positive in keeping the team's emotions on an even keel. Still a bit nervous about the game nevertheless :rolleyes:.
 
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madtownvol said:
Since you mentioned science, the idea of a trap game has been debunked by statistical analyses: A key quote from the cited analysis:


Debunking the Trap Game and Letdown Game Myths


When you check out betting sites, they list as "trap games" as encompassing all sorts of situations such as, for example, the favored team is resting key players because they have a playoff spot solidified and hence have nothing to play for, as well as hangover games and just about anything else under the sun that could contribute to a loss.

And certainly if a team has locked up its play off spot and is resting its best players, its odds of winning are going to go down but that really does not have that much to do with the psychology of players so much as a coaching decision about not risking injuries.

And it turns out the conventional definition of trap game, as a let down or hangover game, does not generate losses at a greater rate than any other games (as per the cited article). Yes, sometimes better teams lose to underdogs as a matter of probability. And whenever that happens, in hindsight, people will explain it as a being due to a "trap game". In effect, trap game becomes a synonym for an upset loss. Oh, my Tennessee was a trap game for Alabama! South Carolina was a trap game for Tennessee and so on.

It is an appealing story that comfortingly implies that people (teams) completely control their own fate-- the better team will never lose so long as they are sufficiently focused--but the reality is that everyone is subject to the randomness of probabilities. One team may be capable of defeating another team over the long run 90% of the time but that 1 in 10 ten chance can always happen in THIS game.

The trap game is yet another sports myth that does not bear up to analytic scrutiny.
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Dude, you're contradicting your own post# 19.
Schatz or Meers only sounded as if they didn't agree. And like someone said " it's not worth arguing".
Look , it real to us who believe " Trap games" are
Beneficial and real. Whatever you believe is your
prerogative and Schatz and whoever.
Atheists been saying Elohim is a myth for centuries with their nonsense but He's real.
You know , I could have found hundreds of reports full with analytics supporting " The Trap ", and given you witnesses that utilize this in their betting ( I'm one).
It's not what real to you, it's not about you.
It's real to us.
Prophet1
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Tennessee Lady Vols basketball vs. Missouri: Scouting report, score prediction
Cora Hall
Knoxville News Sentinel

Lady Vols basketball is back on the road after two wins at home.

Tennessee (15-6, 7-0 SEC) faces Missouri (14-5, 3-3) on Sunday (3 p.m. ET, SEC Network+) at Mizzou Arena. The Lady Vols are coming off a 74-56 win against Florida, and the Tigers were off Thursday after losing 81-50 at South Carolina on Sunday.

Here's what you need to know about the matchup in Columbia, Missouri:

STEPPING UP ON DEFENSE:How Lady Vols basketball made stark defensive turnaround and began shutting down SEC foes

BACK ON THE BALLOT:How Lady Vols writer Cora Hall voted in the AP Top 25: Why I'm voting for Tennessee again

LADY VOLS TRENDING UP:Three reasons for Lady Vols basketball's positive trajectory and 6-0 start to SEC play


Missouri on a downward spiral
The Tigers started off SEC play 3-0. Then they lost the next three games by more than 20 points to Arkansas, LSU and South Carolina.

In each loss, Missouri scored fewer than 60 points. The Lady Vols have hit their stride on defense and held their last three opponents to an average of 53.7 points.

But the Tigers have had all week to prepare at home for the matchup, and they're starving for a win. Missouri can be a trap game, especially at its own arena, and Tennessee will need to be sharp Sunday.

Missouri's Lauren Hansen (1) heads to the basket as LSU's Alexis Morris defends during the first half of an NCAA college basketball game Thursday, Jan. 12, 2023, in Columbia, Mo. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson)
Tennessee can pick its poison against Tigers defense
Missouri has gotten beat in different ways the last three games.

Arkansas crushed the Tigers with 40 points in the paint. LSU hit 10 of 15 attempts from behind the arc. South Carolina outrebounded Missouri 52-22 and scored 29 second-chance points.

Tennessee has won games with each of those methods in SEC play. The Lady Vols prefer to dominate in the paint like they did with 44 points against Florida. But when Georgia kept them from getting to the rim, they hit eight 3-pointers.

Limiting turnovers and being disciplined on the boards will be key for Tennessee. Missouri was able to force LSU into 19 turnovers, which it scored 24 points off of.

Tennessee guard/forward Tess Darby (21) shoots the ball as Florida guard Leilani Correa (23) defends during a game at Thompson-Boling Arena in Knoxville, Tenn., on Thursday, Jan. 19, 2023.
A chance for Tennessee defense to keep building
Missouri's biggest threats offensively are its guards and Hayley Frank, a 6-foot-1 forward.

With Tennessee's size and athleticism, it should keep the Tigers out of the paint. But Missouri can shoot from deep, and it'll test the Lady Vols' guards on the perimeter. Lauren Hansen has made 44 3-pointers on 34.9% shooting and Frank is right behind her with 42 made 3-pointers on 39.3% shooting.

Part of the Lady Vols' defensive turnaround is their perimeter defense. SEC opponents made an average of 6.4 3-pointers against Tennessee the first five games. But the Lady Vols held Georgia to 0-for-14 from deep and Florida went 3-for-13 on Thursday – continuing to build on that is key.

Tennessee guard Jasmine Powell (15) defends against Florida guard Alberte Rimdal (5) during a game at Thompson-Boling Arena in Knoxville, Tenn., on Thursday, Jan. 19, 2023.
Lady Vols basketball vs. Missouri: Our score prediction
Tennessee 71, Missouri 53: It's hard to dig yourself out of a three-game losing streak against an undefeated team in conference play. With the momentum Tennessee has built, I believe it'll continue to build on its performances on both ends of the court. As long as the Lady Vols stay disciplined and execute the game plan, they'll bring home a win from Columbia.

Coach Jumper's prediction: 84-70
@VolBalls33 71-67
@LV renaissance 65-59
@Volfan2012 75-63
@VolBall09 78-57
@Ladyvol777 82-60
@chuckiepoo 73-62
@Vols2015 74-61
@volnationnj 74-68
@Raebo 75-57
@37620VOL 75-68
@dillyo51 71-61
@Orange Maniac 68-54
@Memvol44 67-61
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Lady Volunteers always have a tough time at Missouri.
 
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I have always, and will always, worry about what might happen in the "expected to be a win" game that is played immediately before a game against a particularly strong rival. As hard as coaches and players alike TRY not to think about the next game, they are all liars if they say they don't. Of course they do. Hell, even Tennessee's social media team has been looking ahead in their promotions.
 
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I’m honestly not even worried about this game. I just want us to play a full 40 minutes ahead of Thursday. Missouri doesn’t match up well with us and Jackson should have a field day. I expect Sara and Karo to have pretty good games as well.

And let’s be for real, with college gameday coming to town, everyone is looking forward to Thursday. All eyes will be on us again and I hope we’re ready this time.
 
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madtownvol said:
Since you mentioned science, the idea of a trap game has been debunked by statistical analyses: A key quote from the cited analysis:


Debunking the Trap Game and Letdown Game Myths


When you check out betting sites, they list as "trap games" as encompassing all sorts of situations such as, for example, the favored team is resting key players because they have a playoff spot solidified and hence have nothing to play for, as well as hangover games and just about anything else under the sun that could contribute to a loss.

And certainly if a team has locked up its play off spot and is resting its best players, its odds of winning are going to go down but that really does not have that much to do with the psychology of players so much as a coaching decision about not risking injuries.

And it turns out the conventional definition of trap game, as a let down or hangover game, does not generate losses at a greater rate than any other games (as per the cited article). Yes, sometimes better teams lose to underdogs as a matter of probability. And whenever that happens, in hindsight, people will explain it as a being due to a "trap game". In effect, trap game becomes a synonym for an upset loss. Oh, my Tennessee was a trap game for Alabama! South Carolina was a trap game for Tennessee and so on.

It is an appealing story that comfortingly implies that people (teams) completely control their own fate-- the better team will never lose so long as they are sufficiently focused--but the reality is that everyone is subject to the randomness of probabilities. One team may be capable of defeating another team over the long run 90% of the time but that 1 in 10 ten chance can always happen in THIS game.

The trap game is yet another sports myth that does not bear up to analytic scrutiny.
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I read the article, and the title is misleading. The author was trying to disprove the possibility of a trap game. He could not, and said, “This analysis does not prove that individual losses were not in part due to some psychological factor like the “trap game” and “letdown game” ideas suggest. However, claiming that a specific mentality is directly responsible for a particular loss is completely unfalsifiable, and so not worth arguing over.”

Meaning of unfalsifiable: not capable of being proved false
 
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lvocd said:
I have always, and will always, worry about what might happen in the "expected to be a win" game that is played immediately before a game against a particularly strong rival. As hard as coaches and players alike TRY not to think about the next game, they are all liars if they say they don't. Of course they do. Hell, even Tennessee's social media team has been looking ahead in their promotions.
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The social media team has to do that in order to help sell tickets for Thursday night. You don't wait until Monday to unveil a total marketing plan for a Thursday game. The good news here is that the social media and marketing people that tweet that stuff out don't actually have anything to do with the day-to-day of the team.

It may be tough for fans to believe, but players and teams are so hyper focused on the gameplan and next game that they don't really have an opportunity to look ahead and look past anyone. Big picture, they certainly know that they have UConn, LSU and Ole Miss coming up. But they're not watching film for those games, asking questions about those games, or running sets to counter those teams yet. They were focused on Florida and are now focused on Mizzou. At this level, there's not really the time or headspace to look ahead.

What the rest of us do really doesn't matter. Marketing, communications, creative, radio, none of us have anything to do with what happens on the court. I'm in the hotel working on my roster sheets for my game boards for our next three opponents. I had to have everything done and printed for Missouri before we left. So does typing UConn names in my chart mean I'm looking past tomorrow?

If Tennessee were to lose or look off against Missouri, it won't have anything to do with UConn or anyone else.
 
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Prophet1 said:
Dude, you're contradicting your own post# 19.
Schatz or Meers only sounded as if they didn't agree. And like someone said " it's not worth arguing".
Look , it real to us who believe " Trap games" are
Beneficial and real. Whatever you believe is your
prerogative and Schatz and whoever.
Atheists been saying Elohim is a myth for centuries with their nonsense but He's real.
You know , I could have found hundreds of reports full with analytics supporting " The Trap ", and given you witnesses that utilize this in their betting ( I'm one).
It's not what real to you, it's not about you.
It's real to us.
Prophet1
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Look, I don't want to get into religioous beliefs; that is too sensitive of a topic.

But people believe in all kinds of sports myths that are not borne out by statistical analyses. Just because you and others believe it is real, doesn't make it true.

In this case, the analysis shows that favored teams win games that should be trap games at a slightly higher rate than those which do not qualify as trap games. Myth busted.

But, let's think about the supposed reason why this game would be a "trap game"--the LVs are looking past Missouri and thinking about Uconn. So how would that work exactly?

Last Thursday evening, the LVs beat Florida. Kellie comes into the locker room and says "great win, now we have less than 72 hours to get ready for Mizzou." During the ensuing 72 (or less) hours, the team is immersed in game film, scouting reports and game planning.

How likely do you think it is that during all that Missouri prep, the players are zoned out thinking about playing Uconn?

Looking past an opponent is a luxury for fans but players' boom-boom-boom game schedules are not designed for that to happen. The rationale for this being a trap game does not make practical sense.

Now, there are scenarios where the LVs lose this game; they could shoot poorly from the 3pt line and the FT line (which has happened this season a few times); Jordan Horston could get into early foul (which has happened on a few occasions); Rickea could forget to pack her superman cape among other possibilities.

If some combination of those scenarios happens, the LVs could lose the game but it would not be because it was a "trap game" where they were psychologically distracted. It is because bad games sometimes happen to good teams.
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
I read the article, and the title is misleading. The author was trying to disprove the possibility of a trap game. He could not, and said, “This analysis does not prove that individual losses were not in part due to some psychological factor like the “trap game” and “letdown game” ideas suggest. However, claiming that a specific mentality is directly responsible for a particular loss is completely unfalsifiable, and so not worth arguing over.”

Meaning of unfalsifiable: not capable of being proved false
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Falsifiable technically means that a statement can not be subjected to an empirical test and not falsifiable means a statement is not testable and hence falls outside the realm of science.

For example, I can do an analysis that shows there is no statistical difference between winning % for standard games and those which meet the criteria of a trap game (which is what the cited study found).

Someone can come along and say well but can you prove that this specific loss, was not due to this specific zodiac alignment? The answer is no I can't prove such a statement is false--we lost to team X on Jan XX because "the moon was in the 7th sun and Jupiter aligned with Mars". There is no empirical test for such a statement.

However, an analysis can show that over a long series of games there is no statistically significant correlation between zodiac patterns and winning and losing %. However, people who want to believe in astrological explanations of sporting outcomes can reject that analysis by exclusively focusing on the few random times where astrological predictions correlated with an actual game outcome, or what scientists refer to as a spurious correlation.
 
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briancrice said:
The social media team has to do that in order to help sell tickets for Thursday night. You don't wait until Monday to unveil a total marketing plan for a Thursday game. The good news here is that the social media and marketing people that tweet that stuff out don't actually have anything to do with the day-to-day of the team.

It may be tough for fans to believe, but players and teams are so hyper focused on the gameplan and next game that they don't really have an opportunity to look ahead and look past anyone. Big picture, they certainly know that they have UConn, LSU and Ole Miss coming up. But they're not watching film for those games, asking questions about those games, or running sets to counter those teams yet. They were focused on Florida and are now focused on Mizzou. At this level, there's not really the time or headspace to look ahead.

What the rest of us do really doesn't matter. Marketing, communications, creative, radio, none of us have anything to do with what happens on the court. I'm in the hotel working on my roster sheets for my game boards for our next three opponents. I had to have everything done and printed for Missouri before we left. So does typing UConn names in my chart mean I'm looking past tomorrow?

If Tennessee were to lose or look off against Missouri, it won't have anything to do with UConn or anyone else.
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Of course I understand sosh has to do that. I have been in media longer than you have been alive. lol That said, I believe sosh is naturally responding to EXACTLY what I was talking about in that it is a fact that everyone from coaches to players to fans look at the schedule and mentally circle certain games as being particularly special in one way or another. I have been one of those D1 players, I have been a low-Low-LOW level coach (lol), and I have been one of those members of the media interested in all three angles.

I'm just saying that while coaches and players will readily SAY that they are focusing on only the very next game, I have my own personal experience and that of literally hundreds of others' honest experiences to draw on to tell you that highly competitive coaches and players LIE LIKE NOBODY'S WATCHING!

Go ahead and believe them when they say, "We don't think ahead. We only think about the very next game."

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

If you actually believe that, then lawsy lawd GAWD. lol
 
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madtownvol said:
Falsifiable technically means that a statement can not be subjected to an empirical test and not falsifiable means a statement is not testable and hence falls outside the realm of science.

For example, I can do an analysis that shows there is no statistical difference between winning % for standard games and those which meet the criteria of a trap game (which is what the cited study found).

Someone can come along and say well but can you prove that this specific loss, was not due to this specific zodiac alignment? The answer is no I can't prove such a statement is false--we lost to team X on Jan XX because "the moon was in the 7th sun and Jupiter aligned with Mars". There is no empirical test for such a statement.

However, an analysis can show that over a long series of games there is no statistically significant correlation between zodiac patterns and winning and losing %. However, people who want to believe in astrological explanations of sporting outcomes can reject that analysis by exclusively focusing on the few random times where astrological predictions correlated with an actual game outcome, or what scientists refer to as a spurious correlation.
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You know numbers and probabilities can be manipulated. Even the author admitted he could not prove that a loss was not because it was a trap game. Trap games cannot be proved nor disproved. You call it “fan fiction”. That’s your opinion, no reason to bring up astrology, or to keep arguing. There are many reasons why a team wins or loses. As the author said, it is not worth arguing over.
 
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Brian Rice, I will admit that coaches and players truly aspire to focus only on the next game. They really do WANT to because they, being smart people, know that's the best approach. But that does not prevent EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.AND.COACH from, in their own private thoughts, from looking ahead. They will often pretend to not look ahead, but they are looking ahead. Coaches will pretend to not look ahead, but will stealthily implement practice plans for future opponents. If they say they don't do that, then... 😲
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
You know numbers and probabilities can be manipulated. Even the author admitted he could not prove that a loss was not because it was a trap game. Trap games cannot be proved or disproved. You call it “fan fiction”. That’s your opinion, no reason to bring up astrology, or to keep arguing. There are many reasons why a team wins or loses. As the author said, it is not worth arguing over.
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I can see where not going to reach an shared understanding and that is fine. But again, the author that over long series of games there is no evidence of trap games. Its random event when these upsets happen but there is no way to disprove a claim that specific loss was due to player psychology or as per my example astrology. Both are believes that are not supported by empirical evidence.

Let's say, I believe that I lost a sports bet because a black cat ran across my path the day before. You say, people have analyzed this claim and there is no evidence to show that black cats actually bring bad luck. And I say, well that is just your opinion, I believe the black cat is why I lost the bet.

In that scenario, I am not just arguing against your opinion. I am arguing against evidence indicating that it is very unlikely (but not absolutely impossible) that the black cat was the reason I lost a bet.
 
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lvocd said:
Brian Rice, I will admit that coaches and players truly aspire to focus only on the next game. They really do WANT to because they, being smart people, know that's the best approach. But that does not prevent EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.AND.COACH from, in their own private thoughts, from looking ahead. They will often pretend to not look ahead, but they are looking ahead. Coaches will pretend to not look ahead, but will stealthily implement practice plans for future opponents. If they say they don't do that, then... 😲
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No player wants to look bad in a game. They get psyched about the match-up in front of them. Do they know that Uconn is around the corner, of course, but that does not mean they are "distracted" from the scout about the immediate challenge awaiting them.
 
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Prophet1 said:
Dude, you're contradicting your own post# 19.
Schatz or Meers only sounded as if they didn't agree. And like someone said " it's not worth arguing".
Look , it real to us who believe " Trap games" are
Beneficial and real. Whatever you believe is your
prerogative and Schatz and whoever.
Atheists been saying Elohim is a myth for centuries with their nonsense but He's real.
You know , I could have found hundreds of reports full with analytics supporting " The Trap ", and given you witnesses that utilize this in their betting ( I'm one).
It's not what real to you, it's not about you.
It's real to us.
Prophet1
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Prophet is making clear in multiple ways that logic and science mean nothing to him. That's not something I'd want to broadcast publicly....but hey...
 
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