Game Thread: Lady Vols v Mizzou 3 PM Sunday at Mizzou, SEC+ (stream)

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lvocd said:
Brian Rice, I will admit that coaches and players truly aspire to focus only on the next game. They really do WANT to because they, being smart people, know that's the best approach. But that does not prevent EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.AND.COACH from, in their own private thoughts, from looking ahead. They will often pretend to not look ahead, but they are looking ahead. Coaches will pretend to not look ahead, but will stealthily implement practice plans for future opponents. If they say they don't do that, then... 😲
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Define "looking ahead". I'm trying to decide I disagree.
 
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madtownvol said:
Look, I don't want to get into religioous beliefs; that is too sensitive of a topic.

But people believe in all kinds of sports myths that are not borne out by statistical analyses. Just because you and others believe it is real, doesn't make it true.

In this case, the analysis shows that favored teams win games that should be trap games at a slightly higher rate than those which do not qualify as trap games. Myth busted.

But, let's think about the supposed reason why this game would be a "trap game"--the LVs are looking past Missouri and thinking about Uconn. So how would that work exactly?

Last Thursday evening, the LVs beat Florida. Kellie comes into the locker room and says "great win, now we have less than 72 hours to get ready for Mizzou." During the ensuing 72 (or less) hours, the team is immersed in game film, scouting reports and game planning.

How likely do you think it is that during all that Missouri prep, the players are zoned out thinking about playing Uconn?

Looking past an opponent is a luxury for fans but players' boom-boom-boom game schedules are not designed for that to happen. The rationale for this being a trap game does not make practical sense.

Now, there are scenarios where the LVs lose this game; they could shoot poorly from the 3pt line and the FT line (which has happened this season a few times); Jordan Horston could get into early foul (which has happened on a few occasions); Rickea could forget to pack her superman cape among other possibilities.

If some combination of those scenarios happens, the LVs could lose the game but it would not be because it was a "trap game" where they were psychologically distracted. It is because bad games sometimes happen to good teams.
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If you keep posting you may convince yourself.
They are thinking bout UConn and LSU who are the "cream of the crop".....its human nature.
Look, LV Renaissance posted that he had the "jitters" because this maybe a " trap game for the Lady Vols who may be looking ahead to Uconn and LSU". I guess his jitters are a myth and his definition of the cause is also . We don't live in Madtown and you'll never convince many that trap games is a myth.
Anecdotally.
 
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madtownvol said:
I can see where not going to reach an shared understanding and that is fine. But again, the author that over long series of games there is no evidence of trap games. Its random event when these upsets happen but there is no way to disprove a claim that specific loss was due to player psychology or as per my example astrology. Both are believes that are not supported by empirical evidence.

Let's say, I believe that I lost a sports bet because a black cat ran across my path the day before. You say, people have analyzed this claim and there is no evidence to show that black cats actually bring bad luck. And I say, well that is just your opinion, I believe the black cat is why I lost the bet.

In that scenario, I am not just arguing against your opinion. I am arguing against evidence indicating that it is very unlikely (but not absolutely impossible) that the black cat was the reason I lost a bet.
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I see you still want to argue. There is a very big distraction hanging over this game, it’s called UConn and Gameday. That is a fact, not astrology nor a black cat. We just hope our players can ignore that distraction until after the Missouri game.
 
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turbovol said:
Prophet is making clear in multiple ways that logic and science mean nothing to him. That's not something I'd want to broadcast publicly....but hey...
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I never said that. I thought I said " it's a science to us sports bettors and never used the word " logic" in my post. But everything I think is logical and science is to be valued.
Now why publicly broadcast something about your favorite Prophet that's not true.
 
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madtownvol said:
No player wants to look bad in a game. They get psyched about the match-up in front of them. Do they know that Uconn is around the corner, of course, but that does not mean they are "distracted" from the scout about the immediate challenge awaiting them.
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I am NOT suggesting players -- I certainly didn't -- ignore the scouting report for the very next opponent. But if we could all see inside the thoughts of each other I would bet the farm that more often than not the primary instinct is going to migrate more naturally toward spending physical time preparing for very next game, while the often more important MENTAL focus keeps drifting toward that near-future, more emotionally important game.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to understand that athletes and coaches do often (typically, TBH) use coach speak and will rarely admit that any opponent gets more prep time than any another. But they do.
 
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Prophet1 said:
If you keep posting you may convince yourself.
Look, LV Renaissance posted that he had the "jitters" because this maybe a " trap game for the Lady Vols who may be looking ahead to Uconn and LSU". I guess his jitters are a myth and his definition of the cause is also . We don't live in Madtown and you'll never convince many that trap games is a myth.
Anecdotally.
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Oh, that settles definitely it. Sorry for my uninformed dissent.

BTW, what position does LV Renaissance play for the team and what's her #? I definitely want to keep an eye on this jittery LV player during the game. I am assuming that LV Renaisance is a player and not not just a random fan nervous about the game because in that latter case, your post would make no sense since it is the TEAM presumably not being focused that is the reference point for a "trap game." Anyway, let's go jittery, unfocused, distracted LVs!!!!
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
Trap games can be before, or even after a big game, win or lose.
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Volfaninfl2 said:
The rest of our schedule looks like one big trap game, for one reason or another.
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If everything is a "trap game", then nothing is a "trap game". Trap schedule? That kind of ruins the whole premise. IMO "trap game" is a fan truism, but not necessarily true.
briancrice said:
If Tennessee were to lose or look off against Missouri, it won't have anything to do with UConn or anyone else.
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Exactly, and thanks for the realistic view from the inside. Most of us fans don't realize the businesslike nature of a long season. That's why they adhere to strict routines and schedules and refer to them as "business trips".

Of course if we look off today, it won't stop the trappers from saying told you so. But I put "trap game" in the same category as the magical time out that stops all runs and the call to make em run til they puke when they make a turnover. Just things fans say that have no relation to real life.
 
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I'll just say if were overlooking an SEC game to a non conference game that is a problem. They don't seem to have as much talent as last season when they had Blackwell and Williams. We should dominate the boards have a lot of second chance points. Their chance to win is all about the three point shot. Hansen can drive it a little, but the rest are guards that are of the slower variety and depend on open look threes. If we played to our team efficiency rating and they played to theirs we would win by 24 points. Of course that is never the case. We need this win next half of SEC is far more difficult.
 
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madtownvol said:
Oh, that settles definitely it. Sorry for my uninformed dissent.

BTW, what position does LV Renaissance play for the team and what's her #? I definitely want to keep an eye on this jittery LV player during the game. I am assuming that LV Renaisance is a player and not not just a random fan nervous about the game because in that latter case, your post would make no sense since it is the TEAM presumably not being focused that is the reference point for a "trap game." Anyway, let's go jittery, unfocused, distracted LVs!!!!
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Jeez, I regret ever using "trap game" wording, as it was not my intention to be the appointed spokesperson for the unknown to me trap game controversy. I need to cut this brief as I have a team meeting to go to in our hotel :D.
 
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LV renaissance said:
Jeez, I regret ever using "trap game" wording, as it was not my intention to be the appointed spokesperson for the unknown to me trap game controversy. I need to cut this brief as I have a team meeting to go to in our hotel :D.
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Don't apologize, we love a good controversy over esoteric crap while we wait for the game,

When you go to the meeting, make sure to remind them to watch out for traps!
 
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alexvol said:
Did someone from the existing squad not make the trip to Missouri....some speculation about that and who it was .
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Dear Lord.

From videos I saw RJ (thank god), Jill, Jordan W,, JP, Tess, BK, Strip and Kaiya, Jessie, Edie, also TK and Justine. Did not see JH, Franklin, or Sara, but the vids were short.

Please tell me JH got on that plane. Tell me all of them did.
 
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glv98 said:
JH? I didn't see her. I'm keeping an eye on Cora Hall's twitter. Hope everyone's ok, we've been lucky with illness so far. Uros was out Saturday w a bug, Barnes said several more were puny.
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The way Sarah played on Thursday it wouldn’t surprise me if she has a virus. She looked kind “blah”

Even if they are both out I think we can still get it done. It become more difficult though. Horston is our emotional leader for sure and that’s irreplaceable.
 
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glv98 said:
Dear Lord.

From videos I saw RJ (thank god), Jill, Jordan W,, JP, Tess, BK, Strip and Kaiya, Jessie, Edie, also TK and Justine. Did not see JH, Franklin, or Sara, but the vids were short.

Please tell me JH got on that plane. Tell me all of them did.
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Sara Buckett’ Puckett is in the background of one of bus photos if you zoom in.. Jasmine Franklin isn’t in front of the cameras a lot so it wouldn’t surprise me if she was already on the bus.
 
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I’m not so sure that Jordan Horston is out for this game. She probably just wasn’t shown in the video. But if she’s out, then I expect Kaiya Wynn to get the start unless Coach Harper goes with a two PG lineup in Powell & Walker.
I’m 100% sure that Rickea and Hollingshead will still come off the bench now that I see SP made the trip!
Get your popcorn ready! Rocking Top 🔥is the Move 🧡🧡‼️
 
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