Game Thread: Lady Vols V Wofford ; Tues 6:32PM ; Home ; SECN+

[Dak1219]

Powell may need to play some 40 minute games, or...

If I'm CKH, I'd think about a small package of plays with Jackson running the point.

PG - Jackson
SG - Spear
SG - Darby
Post - Puckett
Post - Striplin/Jill

Put the SGs in each corner. Have both posts come up in a "horns" (see below) look to screen for Jackson. Let Jackson get to the rim or kick to the corner if a double team comes. I'd run this for about 3 minutes early in the second and fourth quarters to give Powell a rest.


*What horns look like
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A point guard just has to get the ball past the court, pass the ball then become a player. We need someone who can get the ball across half-court consistently and pass the ball and the offense should be moving. Too much emphasis is put on the position. We should have five offensive players with a scoring mentality on the court. This could also eliminate some of the obsessive dribbling that occurs. One thing that would need to be accounted for would be the player getting back should a turnover occur. Our players are conditioned to go to the glass and rebound.

 

[37620VOL]

A simple fact about sports.. is everything isn’t about stats.

Common sense when you watch Tennessee play games is that per minutes played Kaiya Wynn is productive on the floor.

Disagree - I give her this, she's fast and tries hard, but just a very limited player on offense and overrated on defense. What you're seeing is effort, not production.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Disagree - I give her this, she's fast and tries hard, but just a very limited player on offense and overrated on defense. What you're seeing is effort, not production.

Correct

 

[WinnerCircle]

Disagree - I give her this, she's fast and tries hard, but just a very limited player on offense and overrated on defense. What you're seeing is effort, not production.

I’m not debating anyone. Kaiya Wynn is productive when she plays.

 

[madtownvol]

Disagree - I give her this, she's fast and tries hard, but just a very limited player on offense and overrated on defense. What you're seeing is effort, not production.

In the Wofford game, Kaiya had the best +-on the team. I realize that measure is not perfect but her 5 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists in 16 minutes is tangible production.

 

[Coach Jumper]

In the Wofford game, Kaiya had the best +-on the team. I realize that measure is not perfect but her 5 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists in 16 minutes is tangible production.

Using that philosophy, you would have her starting over Jasmine. Who had 10 assists and 2 turnovers.

 

[madtownvol]

Using that philosophy, you would have her starting over Jasmine. Who had 10 assists and 2 turnovers.

That is an erroneous extrapolation . The issue being discussed is whether Wynn contributes anything "productive" to the team. Her plus-minus suggest she does.

You seem to have a beef against Kaiya. I wonder why?

 

[LV renaissance]

Kaiya has improved dramatically in the skill that I thought was the most important for her to do so: Free throw shooting up drastically from 48% to 74%. This is especially important in that she is one of our few players that is quick enough to draw a lot of fouls. She now has the 4th most made free throws on the team despite playing so few minutes. So, to say that nothing has changed in her skill set Coach Jumper is ignoring this tremendously helpful change. Her overall shooting has improved as well, as her 3-point shooting percent has more than doubled and her overall FG % has improved by five percentage points. Her shooting percentage other than free throws is still to low, but dramatic improvement has occurred and even her misses aren't groan-worthy as many were her first two years. All this said, I am not suggesting that she would be my choice as point guard. I doubt that she or coach ever thought she would be one we would be grooming for that position. Life happens and they are just trying to do the best with what we got. I do that she can be okay as backup PG for most games. For the very top teams, we need Powell for PG for almost the entire game, which is not unusual for teams to do for a couple of their thin position when playing top competition. Meanwhile, I am going to enjoy watching one of our best defenders and free throw shooters on the team.

 

[37620VOL]

In the Wofford game, Kaiya had the best +-on the team. I realize that measure is not perfect but her 5 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists in 16 minutes is tangible production.

Where do you pull stats with the +-? I like the stat, myself, but prefer to look at it over a 5-ish game stretch.

 

[madtownvol]

Where do you pull stats with the +-? I like the stat, myself, but prefer to look at it over a 5-ish game stretch.

It is on the team box score found on the LV website.

 

[37620VOL]

Her shooting percentage other than free throws is still to low, but dramatic improvement has occurred and even her misses aren't groan-worthy as many were her first two years. Meanwhile, I am going to enjoy watching one of our best defenders and free throw shooters on the team.

Like you noted, her non-FT shooting percentages are *bad*. And I'm pretty sure I did groan on her air-balled wide-open 3 against Wofford.

I could get on board with her more if she could only recognize her own offensive limitations. She needs to not shoot anything but open layups - which are still an adventure, and pick up her defense. To be a defensive specialist, she doesn't get many steals or touches on the ball - just plays very basic defense. Statistically, HerHoops has Tess Darby playing better defense than she does (although I think that gets skewed a bit because Coach tries to keep Darby off the opponent's main scoring threats).

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Kaiya has improved dramatically in the skill that I thought was the most important for her to do so: Free throw shooting up drastically from 48% to 74%. This is especially important in that she is one of our few players that is quick enough to draw a lot of fouls. She now has the 4th most made free throws on the team despite playing so few minutes. So, to say that nothing has changed in her skill set Coach Jumper is ignoring this tremendously helpful change. Her overall shooting has improved as well, as her 3-point shooting percent has more than doubled and her overall FG % has improved by five percentage points. Her shooting percentage other than free throws is still to low, but dramatic improvement has occurred and even her misses aren't groan-worthy as many were her first two years. All this said, I am not suggesting that she would be my choice as point guard. I doubt that she or coach ever thought she would be one we would be grooming for that position. Life happens and they are just trying to do the best with what we got. I do that she can be okay as backup PG for most games. For the very top teams, we need Powell for PG for almost the entire game, which is not unusual for teams to do for a couple of their thin position when playing top competition. Meanwhile, I am going to enjoy watching one of our best defenders and free throw shooters on the team.

So many comments seem to be misleading, people pick and choose how they want to say KW has improved. KW made 1 of 8 attempts for a 3 in her first and second season, this year she has made 2 of 8. To say that has doubled sounds much better. As for her field goal percentage, she is 5% better than last year, but last year was 8% less than her first year.

Her free throw shooting is her best improvement, and she mostly dribbles better, too, but when she dribbles down our clock on offense, and can’t figure out what to do, pass or drive, she slows down our Offense while everyone stands around waiting on her to do something. It’s not just her shooting that hurts our Offense.

 

[glv98]

Just from an eye test, it's easy to see KW has improved alot. But she had a very long way to come.

She's also in great physical shape.

She is not, and never will be, a PG.

I think KJH was still in shock fm DW injury when she said KW and Edie are the backup pgs. It will be JP and Spear.

 

[37620VOL]

In the Wofford game, Kaiya had the best +-on the team. I realize that measure is not perfect but her 5 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists in 16 minutes is tangible production.

He +- is interesting. I can't discount it but it's a mixed result too - last 5 games:



So looking solely at Wynn, Wofford and OSU are great results for her. MTSU is really bad. EKU and ND are kind of "as one would expect".

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Where do you pull stats with the +-? I like the stat, myself, but prefer to look at it over a 5-ish game stretch.

Go to Recap, then do not click the first box score, go lower where it says Box Score (PDF).

 

[madtownvol]

He +- is interesting. I can't discount it but it's a mixed result too - last 5 games:

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So looking solely at Wynn, Wofford and OSU are great results for her. MTSU is really bad. EKU and ND are kind of "as one would expect".

That is fair. KW has been inconsistent. The truth is when people say she has improved, it is a relative judgment. In her first two seasons, when she stepped on the floor, it was usually a "cover your eyes? moment because some disastrous play was imminent. Now, she generally holds down the fort during her stints and in some games makes positive plays. It is a function of her being very, very unpolished when she entered the program. She obviously put in more work this off season and has developed her skills. I think she has a fairly high ceiling so I am hoping that she can provide more consistent quality minutes this season (but not at PG).

 

[Golfteacher]

Last night the ladies played a more upbeat game. They seemed more ready to play since the injury to Jackson. It is for certain that Jackson stirs the drink. Holingshed also played a good game. I know it was against a mid level opponent, who went to the NCAA tournament last year, but we looked much better than we did against WKU and Memphis.

 

[Coach Jumper]

What do we need Kaiya to improve on? Ball handling skill is absolutely where we need her most at this time and ball handling skill is not her strength. yes, she has improved in many various categories.

And no I have no personal grudge Towards her... As well i'm not gonna blow up anyone's proverbial behind. In fact, Kaiya has the most upside of any player on the court right now. She is probably the most gifted athletically. ANd given proper skills she would easily eliminate any talk about her v Edie...But she has got to start playing to leave an impression and stop playing not to make a mistake.

Take the gloves off and quit boxing and start fighting, Kaiya!

 

[madtownvol]

Just from an eye test, it's easy to see KW has improved alot. But she had a very long way to come.

She's also in great physical shape.

She is not, and never will be, a PG.

I think KJH was still in shock fm DW injury when she said KW and Edie are the backup pgs. It will be JP and Spear.

I really hope you are correct (and that was my sense as well) but moving Spears to #2 PG could be a silver lining. I feel like she might be more effective with the ball in her hand rather than roaming around the perimeter.

She clearly has the skill set to do the job.

 

[WinnerCircle]

Jewel Spear thrives with the ball in her hands creating off the dribble at the top of the key or on the wing… she should never be limited to a spot up shooter. I think people forget how raggedy a lot of these SEC teams play and look offensively.

With two premier scorers in Rickea and Jewel in addition to Sara, Powell, the emerging Karo plus Tamari and Jillian this team should be running a much more efficient and balanced offense.

Spear has been an elite scorer since her freshman season at Wake.

 

[glv98]

I really hope you are correct (and that was my sense as well) but moving Spears to #2 PG could be a silver lining. I feel like she might be more effective with the ball in her hand rather than roaming around the perimeter.

Looks like that's what she did at Wake Forest.

Jewel Spear thrives with the ball in her hands creating off the dribble at the top of the key or on the wing… she should never be limited to a spot up shooter

I doubt anyone has told Jewel she has to be a spot up shooter. Everyone would be delighted for her to take it to the hoop more and we know she can do that. I wish she had some of the will to drive into the paint that some of our micro mini guards have. Hopefully we'll see more of that.

 

[alexvol]

Jewel Spear thrives with the ball in her hands creating off the dribble at the top of the key or on the wing… she should never be limited to a spot up shooter. I think people forget how raggedy a lot of these SEC teams play and look offensively.

With two premier scorers in Rickea and Jewel in addition to Sara, Powell, the emerging Karo plus Tamari and Jillian this team should be running a much more efficient and balanced offense.

Spear has been an elite scorer since her freshman season at Wake.

If Key and Jackson return to form and get in game shape my starting lineup would be :

C -- Key
F--- Puckett
SF --Jackson
SG --Fear
PG --Powell

If and that is a big word Jackson and Key can truly be brought back to game form and the above lineup could play together for at least the month of February then the Lady vols could be a real threat in March.....

 

[glv98]

If Key and Jackson return to form and get in game shape my starting lineup would be :

C -- Key
F--- Puckett
SF --Jackson
SG --Fear
PG --Powell

If and that is a big word Jackson and Key can truly be brought back to game form and the above lineup could play together for at least the month of February then the Lady vols could be a real threat in March.....

Good lineup but it's awfully hard to keep Strip out of the starting lineup. Depending on matchups and the opponents size, I'd have to go w her at C.

Also, it's highly unlikely TK is going to get to a high amount of mins anytime soon. Rickea will though. In fact, from how she looked last night and with 10 days until the next game, I think she has a big night at Liberty on 12/31.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

If Key and Jackson return to form and get in game shape my starting lineup would be :

C -- Key
F--- Puckett
SF --Jackson
SG --Fear
PG --Powell

If and that is a big word Jackson and Key can truly be brought back to game form and the above lineup could play together for at least the month of February then the Lady vols could be a real threat in March.....

Rickea will be back to where she needs to be, she’s a very special elite player with a will to win. Like I've said before, Spear is the key for us to go far, if she can be aggressive and demand the ball and go get it, instead of standing at the 3 point line, we can be a more dangerous team offensively.

 

[Aladywhovolunteer]

Aaah Twitter, the cesspool of knowledge....

X @knoxvol52. Twitter is so yesterday.