Game Thread Lady Vols vs Arizona State in the NCAA Tournament

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Always glad to see the Orange team win! I still think it had more to do with talented players than good coaching. Nia Moore came in and provided some quality minutes and hit a couple of nice shots...congrats to Nia! Mercedes played with confidence and made me think..."where has this been all season?" None of us has ever doubted the talent, maybe the effort and desire, but never the talent.
 
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ladyvosl23 said:
Sweet 16 baby nobody thought we would get there and fans are still unhappy smh..are u real fans..holly had a great game plan. Way to go lady vols
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Yes Holly had a great plan let us hope she remembers what it was and we eliminate Holly ball. Diamond has to have the ball in her hands. The ladies came to play last night and seemed as though they enjoyed themselves. This was great to see instead of a bunch of deer looking into oncoming traffic at night. Let hope they maintain their attitude and that Holly let them play. Like Ohio State has proven, good guard play can win games.:clapping:
 
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508mikey said:
Didnt notice Jumper posting in the game thread :disappointed:
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Thanks for the shout out,Mikey.
Now comes "coach's" the test folks.
This is where the rubber meets the road...
The wins were convincing...For the players...

If I am to be convinced that coaching is the reason for a win, it will be on this game with OSU... because, this is a team that NO ONE gives us much of a shot of taking. That makes it a game that the coach wins if it happens. . . For OSU, Kelsey Mitchell has scored over 40 four times this season, once in this tournament. Last game. She did it from every angle, drives (18-22 on fouls shots from drives) , 3's (Hit 5 of 12) and mid-range (shot 6 of 19). Ended with 45 of OSU's 88 pts. Most of this was in the first half. . . If the game plan is to stop her, win or lose, my opinion of HW will be higher.


The one thing that I have considered a flaw dating all the way back to the earliest of my being a fan of UT, is that they don't have a "stopper" assigned to the opponent's star. This has been a weakness dating all the way back to Pat's era. We know who the opponent's star is, yet they get their numbers. The reason, they wait until that player gets the ball and then they see if they can stops her... Better off-the-ball defense, prevent her from getting touches. (We have two girls on this team, at guard who, if they are focused, can run with anybody (Cooper and Jackson). USE THEM for what they are built for.

There are two schools of thought... Let the star have her points and stop everyone else, or, face-guard the star and make the also-rans beat you... I am of the second philosophy. I would take our fastest and most physically gifted players and constantly face-guards their known go-to player. And raise a holy-war with any of my guards who "Wait until she gets the ball and then plays defense".... Nope, play intense, off-the-ball defense and make her labor for touches....Stop the "star",stop the galaxy.
 
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Slydell said:
To all the coach potato coaches, you don't know ****!! I know it makes some of you unhappy, but we're on our way to the Sweet Sixteen. And, Holly will be for quite a while. We were dawgs by 6-8 points tonight. See what happened there?
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The team was #4 preseason. If they don't make Indy, it's still underachievement. To this point, this team has only cleared the absolute bare minimum that all Lady Vol teams except one have done.
 
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SOME PPL WILL NEVER BE HAPPY >> NO MATTER WHAT WE WIN >>IF WE GET to the final four and we lose it will be o holly can't win in the final four do us alll a favor root for another team because due to the year we have had im happy to be still dancing didn't think it will be happening .
 
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Loved the Lady Vols play last night. Just sheer determination. Holly coached a good game and the girls responded.

Where do they find these officials? Worst officiating ever. Multiple fouls, pushing, shoving, not called against ASU and ASU winding up in the bonus waaay before UT. And the ESPN (male) announcer last night was a total ASU fan. Finally, ASU fans were the most ridiculous and demeaning in NCAA. Again, proud of the Lady Vols and hoping for another "surprise" win against OSU! GBO!
 
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Coach Jumper said:
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Thanks for the shout out,Mikey.
Now comes "coach's" the test folks.
This is where the rubber meets the road...
The wins were convincing...For the players...

If I am to be convinced that coaching is the reason for a win, it will be on this game with OSU... because, this is a team that NO ONE gives us much of a shot of taking. That makes it a game that the coach wins if it happens. . . For OSU, Kelsey Mitchell has scored over 40 four times this season, once in this tournament. Last game. She did it from every angle, drives (18-22 on fouls shots from drives) , 3's (Hit 5 of 12) and mid-range (shot 6 of 19). Ended with 45 of OSU's 88 pts. Most of this was in the first half. . . If the game plan is to stop her, win or lose, my opinion of HW will be higher.


The one thing that I have considered a flaw dating all the way back to the earliest of my being a fan of UT, is that they don't have a "stopper" assigned to the opponent's star. This has been a weakness dating all the way back to Pat's era. We know who the opponent's star is, yet they get their numbers. The reason, they wait until that player gets the ball and then they see if they can stops her... Better off-the-ball defense, prevent her from getting touches. (We have two girls on this team, at guard who, if they are focused, can run with anybody (Cooper and Jackson). USE THEM for what they are built for.

There are two schools of thought... Let the star have her points and stop everyone else, or, face-guard the star and make the also-rans beat you... I am of the second philosophy. I would take our fastest and most physically gifted players and constantly face-guards their known go-to player. And raise a holy-war with any of my guards who "Wait until she gets the ball and then plays defense".... Nope, play intense, off-the-ball defense and make her labor for touches....Stop the "star",stop the galaxy.
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Kelsey Mitchell is 5-8 and Cooper is 5-8 and a liability on the defensive end. But i do agree with you on using 5-11 Me Me Jackson on her at times Jackson is quick and athletic and you are correct they must face-guard her.
 
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87&91ALUM said:
Loved the Lady Vols play last night. Just sheer determination. Holly coached a good game and the girls responded.

Where do they find these officials? Worst officiating ever. Multiple fouls, pushing, shoving, not called against ASU and ASU winding up in the bonus waaay before UT. And the ESPN (male) announcer last night was a total ASU fan. Finally, ASU fans were the most ridiculous and demeaning in NCAA. Again, proud of the Lady Vols and hoping for another "surprise" win against OSU! GBO!
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The whole tourney has been this way.
Every game I have seen has been brutal down low.

if it was an anomaly, that would be one thing, but since it is across the board, "get tough"
 
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djtee said:
Kelsey Mitchell is 5-8 and Cooper is 5-8 and a liability on the defensive end. But i do agree with you on using 5-11 Me Me Jackson on her at times Jackson is quick and athletic and you are correct they must face-guard her.
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Cooper is only a defensive liability when she thinks she has to carry the team. ""Which in her mind seems to be every game"".... A good coach could dictate her focus. I have seen her "up" her defensive play, she is phenomenal. But it takes a will stronger than hers.... Coaching!
 
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87&91ALUM said:
Loved the Lady Vols play last night. Just sheer determination. Holly coached a good game and the girls responded.

Where do they find these officials? Worst officiating ever. Multiple fouls, pushing, shoving, not called against ASU and ASU winding up in the bonus waaay before UT. And the ESPN (male) announcer last night was a total ASU fan. Finally, ASU fans were the most ridiculous and demeaning in NCAA. Again, proud of the Lady Vols and hoping for another "surprise" win against OSU! GBO!
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One of the worst officiated games I have ever seen. ASU was upset and we were upset. The officials were really poor in this game. Calls were bad both ways. The foul on Mercedes on the put back was horrible. Deshields in the Lane for about 5 or 6 seconds one time. Calls on charges and blocks from screens was like a box of chocolates. I'm just glad we had enough fouls to last to the end.
 
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from the 4 minute mark in the 2nd quarter there were 5 bad calls in a row. 4 against Tn. And at the start of the 3rd, another bad call.

but, the good girls prevailed! move on!
 
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ESPN announcer Mark Jones generally skews his commentary toward the Vols' opponent-- in football and basketball. Most announcers are fairly impartial, but Jones is seldom complimentary about the Vols. I hope we don't have that crew again.

OSU plays aggressive. The officials will probably let them, so we'll have to scrap right back. Russell, Graves and Moore will have to be careful. We can't afford for them to get in foul trouble.
 
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I thought the officiating was decent. The game is rough inside; as long as the officials are consistent, I'm ok. I thought the second foul call on Graves was cheap--and they shouldn't call cheap fouls in the tourney.

Well, I don't know that much about OSU, but if I'm HW I'm going back to the zone defense, and make sure our players are aware of, and defend, Mitchell wherever she is. We can play pretty good man defense at times, but our man defense can also be quite shaky. Good teams can break it down--our guards get beat off the dribble, and Russell and Graves don't have great court awareness. Our zone bothered ASU a lot, and I see no reason why it shouldn't bother OSU, too--so long as our players pay attention to Mitchell and their other scorers.

RE Jackson, I might try to get her a minute or two in the first half, and then maybe use her defensively late in the game, either in man or zone defense, if we are trying to protect a lead. But she has hardly played and I don't see that changing now.
 
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gule said:
from the 4 minute mark in the 2nd quarter there were 5 bad calls in a row. 4 against Tn. And at the start of the 3rd, another bad call.

but, the good girls prevailed! move on!
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Good point, gule... This is traceable growth. Over-reacting to calls is a sign of immaturity on both coaches and players.

Refs can have bad games too. (And often DO)
 
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armchair said:
I thought the officiating was decent. The game is rough inside; as long as the officials are consistent, I'm ok. I thought the second foul call on Graves was cheap--and they shouldn't call cheap fouls in the tourney.

Well, I don't know that much about OSU, but if I'm HW I'm going back to the zone defense, and make sure our players are aware of, and defend, Mitchell wherever she is. We can play pretty good man defense at times, but our man defense can also be quite shaky. Good teams can break it down--our guards get beat off the dribble, and Russell and Graves don't have great court awareness. Our zone bothered ASU a lot, and I see no reason why it shouldn't bother OSU, too--so long as our players pay attention to Mitchell and their other scorers.

RE Jackson, I might try to get her a minute or two in the first half, and then maybe use her defensively late in the game, either in man or zone defense, if we are trying to protect a lead. But she has hardly played and I don't see that changing now.
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This fact is telling.... Here we have the only girl on this group (MeMe) with the speed of a Moriah Jefferson, only to use her as sparingly as we do Dunbar.
 
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LA Vol said:
ESPN announcer Mark Jones generally skews his commentary toward the Vols' opponent-- in football and basketball. Most announcers are fairly impartial, but Jones is seldom complimentary about the Vols. I hope we don't have that crew again.

OSU plays aggressive. The officials will probably let them, so we'll have to scrap right back. Russell, Graves and Moore will have to be careful. We can't afford for them to get in foul trouble.
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Andy Landers is the one that I have to turn the volume down for... He brings nothing to the table as an announcer,but one that reiterates everything already said by the other announcer. A color commentator has to do more than be a yes-man.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
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This fact is telling.... Here we have the only girl on this group (MeMe) with the speed of a Moriah Jefferson, only to use her as sparingly as we do Dunbar.
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Yup 2 (sometimes 3 players if you count Nia Moore) who could be X factors in certain games but yet rarely seems to see the floor. We must face guard Mitchell similar to how we did Vivians (who I think is a better scorer than Mitchell) in the first game against Miss. St. We also need to play Nia a lot more to get her confidence up because if we beat Ohio State (which I think we can and should) we will need her for SC
 
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#448
I like Candace Parker as a commentator. She is knowledgeable, speaks "English" and ain't bad to look at.
 
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I think it was our best game of the season. Very smart not to take the three point shot where we fail so often We only took four made one. If were needing threes it should be Dunbar tasking them no one else on the team can make a decent percentage.
 
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