Game Thread: Lady Vols Vs UCONN. ; Thurs Feb 6th ; Home game; 6:30 PM Eastern; ESPN...WIN 80-76

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37620VOL said:
It's not common at all. The truth that most coaches don't come to terms with is that humans cannot go a full-on 100% baseline to baseline for more than 3-5 minutes without a measurable decline in performance. Furthermore, when you let a player get completely gassed, it degrades their short-term and medium-term muscle recovery time. If, as a player, you get used to going in and out, it does not affect your rhythm because you're always feeling fresh and you don't have to adjust to your own fatigue. So if you are going to press baseline to baseline and you expect nothing less than 100% effort, then you have to sub frequently and even your best players are going to get an absolute maximum 30-32 minutes per game.
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Yep ^This & the UCONN players were playing hard but some looked gassed and most of the players on UT had more spring in their step in the 4th Q. Most coaches cannot and will not stay the course on this system. First of all they don't have 10 players they trust to play a average of 20 minutes a game. They cant stay the course its not in their DNA, its not the Bball they grew up with , even some on this site have said we have to veer away from this system, some.
 
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KTrain said:
Yep ^This & the UCONN players were playing hard but some looked gassed and most of the players on UT had more spring in their step in the 4th Q. Most coaches cannot and will not stay the course on this system. First of all they don't have 10 players they trust to play a average of 20 minutes a game. They cant stay the course its not in their DNA, its not the Bball they grew up with , even some on this site have said we have to veer away from this system some.
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Were never going to veer away from the subbing, but we have made some changes as how we play defense and press. We no longer trap near as much in the backcourt as we did early in the season. We have really lightened up on the pressure of getting the ball past halfcourt when we know a team has players capable of beating it. There are four players now playing way over 20 minutes and four that used to play a lot more playing a lot less.

On offense at least in this game we had a lot more movement less one on one and drivers always had an outlet to pass to when they got trapped in the paint. This is the way we should've been playing all season. We had great looks at the three a lot of which we just failed to make. For at least this game we were finishing at the rim making a lot more of the layups and paint shots than we had made in the previous four games. You can play 30 minutes a game in this system some are getting there you just have to produce to get those minutes.

We dominate the boards and like Coach KIm said if we had done that in some of our previous losses they would've been wins. System works if you have 8 or 9 quality players with little dropoff. We get some dropoff after five players, but not to the extent that we can't keep ourselves in the game.

We play a different style depending on the opponent. Missouri a lot of trapping and backcourt pressure. UConn very little backcourt pressure more frontcourt defense with emphasis on their top players not getting good looks.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Were never going to veer away from the subbing, but we have made some changes as how we play defense and press. We no longer trap near as much in the backcourt as we did early in the season. We have really lightened up on the pressure of getting the ball past halfcourt when we know a team has players capable of beating it. There are four players now playing way over 20 minutes and four that used to play a lot more playing a lot less.

On offense at least in this game we had a lot more movement less one on one and drivers always had an outlet to pass to when they got trapped in the paint. This is the way we should've been playing all season. We had great looks at the three a lot of which we just failed to make. For at least this game we were finishing at the rim making a lot more of the layups and paint shots than we had made in the previous four games. You can play 30 minutes a game in this system some are getting there you just have to produce to get those minutes.

We dominate the boards and like Coach KIm said if we had done that in some of our previous losses they would've been wins. System works if you have 8 or 9 quality players with little dropoff. We get some dropoff after five players, but not to the extent that we can't keep ourselves in the game.

We play a different style depending on the opponent. Missouri a lot of trapping and backcourt pressure. UConn very little backcourt pressure more frontcourt defense with emphasis on their top players not getting good looks.
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As a offensive player even if the team is not getting turnovers its taxing on you throughout the game and its affects you mentally (an aggravation) as much as physically and gets teams out of their normal mode of operation. When you play teams that are high level guard oriented like UCONN, you don't trap as much because they will burn you. With those teams you pick up more rebounds to offset the TO ratio.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Game didn't go exactly as I expected as I thought we'd win both the turnover and the rebound battle and we only won rebounding. I thought they would shoot better than us but we would have more shot attempts. Surprised that we held them to such a low percentage shooting the ball. To win we had to as possesions turned out to about dead even. Keeping them off the free throw line was huge and shooting 46 percent overall , even with 25 percent from the three was encouraging to see. I think if we shoot it at 45 percent in the LSU game we will win that one as well. This was a straight up win no extra possessions we just made more shots didn't depend on getting 15 to 20 extra shots that we've gotten in so many games this season while shooting 35 percent from the field.
The way we were moving the ball in and out was the best we've done in a while We finished at the rim better than we have in the last several games. I see a lot of improvement overall. Coach KIm said February was when you would see it all come together and that is happening.
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The fishing around the rim was the key imo. Especially in the second half, we were ultra aggressive going to the hoop and got about anything we wanted. We attacked the dickens out of Fudd. Her defense is poor to begin with and evaporated when she got in foul trouble.
 
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MAD said:
How common is it and what are the advantages and disadvantages of subbing in 5 players at a time?
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It’s uncommon. Disadvantage is it may not allow players to get in a rhythm. Advantages? Hard for our opponent to keep up with all the subs and stay matched up. It wore UConn out. There were a couple possessions in the second half Bueckers and Fudd were trailing the play and we were headed full speed to the rim. UConn teams are notoriously in shape so that was encouraging to see.
 
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VolBall09 said:
The fishing around the rim was the key imo. Especially in the second half, we were ultra aggressive going to the hoop and got about anything we wanted. We attacked the dickens out of Fudd. Her defense is poor to begin with and evaporated when she got in foul trouble.
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I thought the same. Not sure if that's due to her injury/ies or if it's always been this bad, but she was defending with her hands all game and could've been called for more fouls (as could've Arnold and Shade IMO). Many of their guards were slap-happy defenders.
 
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th2421 said:
I thought the same. Not sure if that's due to her injury/ies or if it's always been this bad, but she was defending with her hands all game and could've been called for more fouls (as could've Arnold and Shade IMO). Many of their guards were slap-happy defenders.
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Definitely think her cumulative injuries play a part in that. She was moving really well early in the season and then had that setback at ND. Hasn’t moved uninhibited since, she hops around like she’s nervous to use her knees.
 
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MAD said:
How common is it and what are the advantages and disadvantages of subbing in 5 players at a time?
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37620VOL said:
It's not common at all. The truth that most coaches don't come to terms with is that humans cannot go a full-on 100% baseline to baseline for more than 3-5 minutes without a measurable decline in performance. Furthermore, when you let a player get completely gassed, it degrades their short-term and medium-term muscle recovery time. If, as a player, you get used to going in and out, it does not affect your rhythm because you're always feeling fresh and you don't have to adjust to your own fatigue. So if you are going to press baseline to baseline and you expect nothing less than 100% effort, then you have to sub frequently and even your best players are going to get an absolute maximum 30-32 minutes per game.
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Depth and "buying in" plays the most influential roles in this type of play
most teams when they go ten deep lose considerable ground
and players have to be content with sharing time with their whole team and not just the 6th-7th man
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Depth and "buying in" plays the most influential roles in this type of play
most teams when they go ten deep lose considerable ground
and players have to be content with sharing time with their whole team and not just the 6th-7th man
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Jill has impressed me so much as the season has gone on. Her numbers aren’t flashy but she gets in there and makes a positive impact. Her play in the first quarter allowed Coop a slow start.

Only had 4 boards but they were all offensive. That’s all hustle and exactly what you need from a big off the bench.
 
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VolBall09 said:
Jill has impressed me so much as the season has gone on. Her numbers aren’t flashy but she gets in there and makes a positive impact. Her play in the first quarter allowed Coop a slow start.

Only had 4 boards but they were all offensive. That’s all hustle and exactly what you need from a big off the bench.
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Jill is a SF in a C's body
she needed to be able to roam the floor to shine
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Depth and "buying in" plays the most influential roles in this type of play
most teams when they go ten deep lose considerable ground
and players have to be content with sharing time with their whole team and not just the 6th-7th man
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Absolutely, your stars have to buy in, but you are also carving out meaningful minutes every game (even the important games) to develop your young budding stars as well as giving minutes to your role-playing veterans. As long as the stars buy in you'll have a happy team.
 
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Moved us up to 11th in the Net beating the #2 net ranked team.

We are currently the 4th SEC team in the Net behind SC, Texas and LSU.

Shot ourselves in the foot in SEC standings losing to Vandy and OU. Have to hope we can use this motion from a big win and pick up a tough one on the road at LSU. They’re hard to beat at home but we’re gonna be pumped I have a feeling.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Creme has Lady Vols hosting in latest bracket reveal...
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I think that’s almost guaranteed, even with our slightly ugly SEC record at the moment. As long as we don’t lay an egg and lose to a terrible team at home we should host if they stay true to the net. Unlikely we move out of that top 16.

That crowd was awesome last night as well 16,200 people. That’s something the tournament needs. Still think the NcAA should honor season tickets for hosting teams.
 
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It has been fun reading the game thread after the momentous victory. It is rare for any big win to have significant contributions from all 10 players. I am so happy for Puckett hitting a three right near the end, perhaps healing her hurt for missing the 3 at the end of the LSU ? game. We have had many opportunities to learn from our close losses but I think this team also needed to learn from experiencing a win Specifically, to see how team ball and commitment to CKC's guidance.actually is what produces the best results for all.
 
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