Game Thread: (RV/RV) Lady Vols. 56 - (9/9) Virginia Tech 59

[cwbytruckers]

I think you misinterpreted what the poster said about Horston.

Glad someone can read

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Just wanted to mention a couple of things Kellie said in her post game presser.

We only had 4 players who made field goals. (That’s sort of hard to believe.)

She also said they were proud of Striplin getting 5 offensive board rebounds (she had a total of 6 rebounds), in her 11 minutes of play. Nice for Striplin to get recognized for doing something good.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

So today, I expected a tough must win game with VT. When I came to the VT game thread and saw we were suddenly, out of the blue, without Rickea, Franklin, and Hollingshead, I was in a state of shock. My first thought was, we are screwed. Guessing I am not the only one who thought that. So, although the final results were disappointing, we did much better than I thought we would, when I first heard the news. We kept fighting.

So glad to see Tamari stop Kitley again.

We have to start winning the close ones.

GLV!

 

[LadyVol1908]

Candace has been back multiple times, plus Catchings, Michelle Marciniak, and the players that are now announcers. It’s possible we have past players in the audience and don’t know it, or maybe most of our past players have busy lives and don’t live near Knoxville.

O wow, thanks, never thought of that!

 

[mudcat1973]

I rewatched some of the game to see what happened to Justine today and her 2 minutes....Kellie came and talked to her before sending her in, maybe telling her to shoot the 3ball, but she never got the ball to shoot it...

She was open several times for a 3 ball shot, but the guards kept the ball and drove in the lane and often lost it, or missed the shot...No one kicked it out to her, instead they just lost the ball....

This club is mostly one on one ball, very little teamwork....No semblance of a coordinated offensive attack; none whatsoever......

This will most likely end badly.....I really wanted Kellie to succeed.

Marta pit one to give horston free lane for lay up Karoline sets pits good to its not always scoring you help your team.

 

[Memvol44]

Why was Jackson happy about letting her team down by doing something to cause her coach to not even let her suit up for the game?

Not only her team...the staff,the paying fans, and of course her best friend!!

 

[37620VOL]

Agree fatigue can cause poor play, but now that you mention minutes, Kitley played 40 minutes, another VT player played 37 minutes, 2 others played 35 minutes each, and one played 32. We seem to be careful about making sure our players get rest/relief, which makes sense, especially in tournaments, if you can still win doing that. Makes me wonder if we’re in as good of condition as other teams.

VT looked quite fatigued down the stretch too. Over 35 minutes is really pushing it even with very strong conditioning.

 

[Lucy]

ok, whatever that means. Thanks for the answer.

You didn’t want an answer. Just looking to stir the pot. There are threads on every year of recruiting available to you.

 

[Rickster]

Well, it's a new day and another opportunity for jackanapeses to act out feigning outrage at the loss while celebrating the opportunity to dump on the team. Oh joy, oh joy......Attacking fans, coaches and calling players "trash" never seems to get old to them. As a veteran, I should be happy I fought to preserve their right to free speech, but .........

 

[Darth_Vol]

This will most likely end badly.....I really wanted Kellie to succeed.

 

[37620VOL]

This will most likely end badly.....I really wanted Kellie to succeed.

I'm getting a bad feeling, but I'm committed to giving CKH the full season, then evaluate. It wouldn't do any good to make a coaching change before our last game anyway.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

VT looked quite fatigued down the stretch too. Over 35 minutes is really pushing it even with very strong conditioning.

Still worth it if you win, they are young.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

For those talking Coaching change, maybe you would like Jeff at Louisville or Vic at Texas, oh wait….

TN lost to teams currently ranked 4, 5, 9, 15, and 23, (no unranked teams), and we wouldn’t have lost to #9 VT if we hadn’t suddenly lost 3 players right before the game.

Louisville has lost to teams ranked 4, 23, (see above), and South Dakota State (unranked), and MTSU (by 18 points, also unranked).

Texas lost to teams ranked 3, 18, 24, and USF (unranked).

No excuses, just perspective. Big season to go.

 

[Rickster]

Moving forward....not as fast as some would want....but still moving forward.

 

[Volfan2012]

For those talking Coaching change, maybe you would like Jeff at Louisville or Vic at Texas, oh wait….

TN lost to teams currently ranked 4, 5, 9, 15, and 23, (no unranked teams), and we wouldn’t have lost to #9 VT if we hadn’t suddenly lost 3 players right before the game.

Louisville has lost to teams ranked 4, 23, (see above), and South Dakota State (unranked), and MTSU (by 18 points, also unranked).

Texas lost to teams ranked 3, 18, 24, and USF (unranked).

No excuses, just perspective. Big season to go.

Totally agree but we got to get it together soon. I think we can win 12 or 13 in the SEC so eight in the non conference gives us 21 which is plenty to get probably a five or six seed. Only winning 10 in the SEC makes for the scary number of 18 wins and that puts you really close to out of the tourney as we have learned in past years.

 

[madtownvol]

No Rickea, Hollingshead, Jasmine F and yet we played the #9 team in the country to a 3 pt game. the stats are vitrually the same...shooting %, etc....except they shot 32 threes. Made 9 28% not very good but effective enoughView attachment 520768

The 10-0 run with no timeout,,,not good.
but after dismal start we fought back to 34-32
and did so with 3 of our first off the benchers sitting.
I'd like the win,,,,but I acknowledge the team played a hard fought game
And the bench was more active
I'll take that

But I want the win
sigh

The box score is telling in lots of ways. A big point is that Kitley was not a major factor and Key outplayed her. So that there is a plus.

While Tech did not shoot a great %, they had 7 more threes than the LVS, which is a 7 point differential. That has been a consistent theme of this season, the lack of 3 point shooting handicapping the team. Darby 0-3, Suarez 0-2 and Powell 1 for 5 stand out because they all had good looks and just one would have been an equalizer and 2 would have won.

16 TOs is not that bad for the LVs but Tech is not a pressing team and some of the TOs were real momentum killers. In numerous possessions, the LVs had cut the lead to 4 or so and then gave the ball back via a TO. And many were completely unforced and due to bad decisions on the court.

Missing Franklin and Hollingshead (who was just finding her game) was a blow that really amplified the absence of Rickea.

Jordan player her heart out but 9-24 is really inefficient and she missed some easy ones too. If she had 50%, we are talking a win. The LVs are going to have a lot of games that come down to fine margins and poor shooting makes it really hard to come out on the winning side, Defensively,. 59 points is great and I think most would have expected a W with that score line, plus a big edge in rebounding, but terrible shooting did the team in.

My game management complaint about Kellie is that Key was playing well and was not in foul trouble. Under those circumstances (particularly with no Jasmine or Jillian) leave her on the court as much as possible. In this matchup, there was a big drop off with Striplin. This was the game to let Key really get herself going. Kitley played 40 and TK should have been close to that.

Given the LV's were missing 3 key players, the performance was a respectable one and this game is certainly no reason to hit the panic button. But, Kellie and staff (I believe) need to dial back on their compulsive substitution habits and beeter adapt to the game situations. And if Jackson is missing for the longer term, this team's shooting woes have to be fixed. Shoot more 3's and, when missed, crash the boards just like their opponents are doing.

 

[Darth_Vol]

For those talking Coaching change, maybe you would like Jeff at Louisville or Vic at Texas, oh wait….

You know the Kellie club is at the point of desperation when their strongest argument is at least she doesn't suck as much as the other most disappointing coaches this season...

 

[youcancallmeAl]

The box score is telling in lots of ways. A big point is that Kitley was not a major factor and Key outplayed her. So that there is a plus.

While Tech did not shoot a great %, they had 7 more threes than the LVS, which is a 7 point differential. That has been a consistent theme of this season, the lack of 3 point shooting handicapping the team. Darby 0-3, Suarez 0-2 and Powell 1 for 5 stand out because they all had good looks and just one would have been an equalizer and 2 would have won.

16 TOs is not that bad for the LVs but Tech is not a pressing team and some of the TOs were real momentum killers. In numerous possessions, the LVs had cutting the lead to 4 or so and then gave the ball back via a TO. And many were completely unforced and due to bad decisions on the court.

Missing Franklin and Hollingshead (who was just finding her game) was a blow that really amplified the absence of Rickea.

Jordan player her heart out but 9-24 is really inefficient and she missed some easy ones too. If she had 50%, we are talking a win. The LVs are going to have a lot of games that come down to fine margins and poor shooting makes it really hard to come out on the winning side, Defensively,. 59 points is great and I think most would have expected a W with that score line but terrible shooting did the team in.

My game management complaint about Kellie is that Key was playing well and was not in foul trouble. Under those circumstances (particularly with no Jasmine or Jillian) leave her on the court as much as possible. In this matchup, there was a big drop off with Striplin. This was the game to let Key really get herself going. Kitley played 40 and TK should have been close to that.

Given the LV's were missing 3 key players, the performance was a respectable one and this game is certainly no reason to hit the panic button. But, Kellie and staff (I believe) need to dial back on their compulsive substitution habits and beeter adapt to the game situations. And if Jackson is missing for the longer term, this teams shooting woes has to be fixed. Shoot more 3's and, when missed, crash the boards just like their opponents are doing.

In sum, very good D, mediocre ball handling, and poor shooting. That's what I saw, too.

 

[Terrells Bay88]

You know the Kellie club is at the point of desperation when their strongest argument is at least she doesn't suck as much as the other most disappointing coaches this season...

Walz does have the equity of his last four postseason appearances of being a FF, E8, E8, and a FF and Vic has an NCAA Runner up and three straight E8s.

 

[madtownvol]

You know the Kellie club is at the point of desperation when their strongest argument is at least she doesn't suck as much as the other most disappointing coaches this season...

Elvee, the giddiness is getting to your head. The point is realism in that a lot of upsets and slow starts are happening this season, perhaps due to parity or some other factors. So, it is a bit early to make definitive statements about where a given teams season is going.

 

[glv98]

In sum, very good D, mediocre ball handling, and poor shooting. That's what I saw, too.

Same as it ever was. Probably my biggest disappointment among the many is that our historical problems are still our problems.

 

[alexvol]

Because you don’t have one. Just figured you would type something along with everyone else and go with it. I figured as much.

You have a strange way of figuring, and it shows a bit of dumbness in that process as well ...good luck to you sir ....or maam whichever you are.

 

[madtownvol]

In sum, very good D, mediocre ball handling, and poor shooting. That's what I saw, too.

Or defense and rebounding wins championships (provided that you are capable of scoring more points than your well-defended opponents). Somewhere that addendum needs to get taken more seriously.

 

[alexvol]

The box score is telling in lots of ways. A big point is that Kitley was not a major factor and Key outplayed her. So that there is a plus.

While Tech did not shoot a great %, they had 7 more threes than the LVS, which is a 7 point differential. That has been a consistent theme of this season, the lack of 3 point shooting handicapping the team. Darby 0-3, Suarez 0-2 and Powell 1 for 5 stand out because they all had good looks and just one would have been an equalizer and 2 would have won.

16 TOs is not that bad for the LVs but Tech is not a pressing team and some of the TOs were real momentum killers. In numerous possessions, the LVs had cutting the lead to 4 or so and then gave the ball back via a TO. And many were completely unforced and due to bad decisions on the court.

Missing Franklin and Hollingshead (who was just finding her game) was a blow that really amplified the absence of Rickea.

Jordan player her heart out but 9-24 is really inefficient and she missed some easy ones too. If she had 50%, we are talking a win. The LVs are going to have a lot of games that come down to fine margins and poor shooting makes it really hard to come out on the winning side, Defensively,. 59 points is great and I think most would have expected a W with that score line, plus a big edge in rebounding, but terrible shooting did the team in.

My game management complaint about Kellie is that Key was playing well and was not in foul trouble. Under those circumstances (particularly with no Jasmine or Jillian) leave her on the court as much as possible. In this matchup, there was a big drop off with Striplin. This was the game to let Key really get herself going. Kitley played 40 and TK should have been close to that.

Given the LV's were missing 3 key players, the performance was a respectable one and this game is certainly no reason to hit the panic button. But, Kellie and staff (I believe) need to dial back on their compulsive substitution habits and beeter adapt to the game situations. And if Jackson is missing for the longer term, this teams shooting woes has to be fixed. Shoot more 3's and, when missed, crash the boards just like their opponents are doing.

Good analysis .

 

[madtownvol]

Agree fatigue can cause poor play, but now that you mention minutes, Kitley played 40 minutes, another VT player played 37 minutes, 2 others played 35 minutes each, and one played 32. We seem to be careful about making sure our players get rest/relief, which makes sense, especially in tournaments, if you can still win doing that. Makes me wonder if we’re in as good of condition as other teams.

Look Jordan is why the LVs stayed in the game. But (there is always a but), elite game changing players (which JH should be) make plays late in the game, regardless of minutes player. The fact is she missed open jumpers and lay-ups early in the game as well. She has always been more of a scorer than "shooter." When she has a an offensive partner - like Burrell or jackson- there is a little room to absorb her inconsistent shot. when it is all on her (and that is a lot of responsibility to shoulder), 9-24 does not cut it. My comment is also a criticism of her teammates who are not stepping enough to help on the offensive end. So, it should not all be on Jordan but if it is, she has to push through the fatigue.