GAMEDAY CENTRAL: #9 Tennessee vs. #2 Notre Dame

#27
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Women's basketball is Pat Summitt....... no doubt about it. Seeing her on the bench as she is now helps no one. The team, coaches included, keeps waiting for something that won't be back..ever. The endless, though well deserved, tributes must literally be like attending the funeral of a loved one each and every day.

As an old guy, I know for certain that life is not fair and that youth will be served... no matter how we might wish otherwise. If the Lady Vols are to remain consistently relevant, changes must begin NOW, not when we are emotionally more prepared to deal with the transition. Hart must now become a leader, not a cheerleader. The sooner he acts, the sooner the Lady Vols will recover and move to the future.
 
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#28
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This team is embarrassing to watch. I hate to say that, but it's the truth. First thing tomorrow morning, they need to be practicing defense, free throw shooting, and shot selection.
 
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Larry1949 said:
Women's basketball is Pat Summitt....... no doubt about it. Seeing her on the bench as she is now helps no one. The team, coaches included, keeps waiting for something that won't be back..ever. The endless, though well deserved, tributes must literally be like attending the funeral of a loved one each and every day.

As an old guy, I know for certain that life is not fair and that youth will be served... no matter how we might wish otherwise. If the Lady Vols are to remain consistently relevant, changes must begin NOW, not when we are emotionally more prepared to deal with the transition. Hart must now become a leader, not a cheerleader. The sooner he acts, the sooner the Lady Vols will recover and move to the future.
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That would be an extreme and bold move by Hart. I don't see him doing it.
 
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I agree.She is worse than Everyone thinks.We need a new staff NOW........
Larry1949 said:
Women's basketball is Pat Summitt....... no doubt about it. Seeing her on the bench as she is now helps no one. The team, coaches included, keeps waiting for something that won't be back..ever. The endless, though well deserved, tributes must literally be like attending the funeral of a loved one each and every day.

As an old guy, I know for certain that life is not fair and that youth will be served... no matter how we might wish otherwise. If the Lady Vols are to remain consistently relevant, changes must begin NOW, not when we are emotionally more prepared to deal with the transition. Hart must now become a leader, not a cheerleader. The sooner he acts, the sooner the Lady Vols will recover and move to the future.
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I think this year has shown that the next head coach should not come from the current staff. This team has no flow or smoothness. The only thing they know is to throw it up high and let Glory go get it. That seems to be the only play they have. This team has talent but they are not a team. This game was one of the most pathetic efforts I have ever seen by a Lady Vol team. Some tough decisions are coming and probably sooner than most were anticipating. It's a sad, sad day.........
 
#32
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Let's face it, this team (coaching staff included) is just not very good right now. I hate to say it, Coach Summitt's health issue has to be a distraction. In addition, I agree with a previous post that stated our team does not, and has not for several years now, look like they run any offensive sets. THey look clueless on offense.
 
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armchair said:
This is SUCH a poorly coached team--it's unbelievable. Seriously, we've got a veteran team full of high-school All Americans, and yet when when we play a solid, good team we have NO idea what we are doing. I've said for YEARS that Summitt is clueless when it comes to coaching half-court offense--and we see this in spades tonight. The players make two passes and then get confused and stand around, and what comes next is either a bad pass or a turnover or a missed shot.

Glory and Baugh are both very good athletes--and seniors--yet neither one of them has any idea how to play and make a shot in the low post! None! Baugh wants to play outside, and Glory still wants to dribble the ball in the paint with defenders around her--something that most players are schooled NOT TO DO from the 3rd grade on. There are some very basic, simply offensive moves when you get the ball in the paint--and they have no clue! Glory works her butt off, is an amazing rebounder--and gets fouled more than anyone we have. And yet she's our worst free-throw shooter!

The team's passing is sloppy...I could go on and on. Manning--another senior--is as jittery as a school mouse when she shoots the ball. You shouldn't be a senior at UT and too nervous to shoot the ball. This team simply is not well coached; we waste SO many possessions with the ball. We have TWICE the talent as Notre Dame--but Notre Dame is well coached and we aren't. We OUGHT to be one of the favorites to win the title, with our talent, but it won't happen.
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I could not agree more, I don't know who is coaching this team now with Pat's serious problem. All I know is that this is not the way this team should look. I have not seen so much inconsistent play from players that were suppose to be All Something. Megan is terrible, Ariel is losing what confidence she has, Manning is not showing her usual toughness, Strickland is totally absent, looks kinda lazy, Baugh is making the same mistakes she made four years ago. The only one who is playing with any grit and desire is Glory. This team is so much of a disappointment. Whoever they get to replace Pat and none of the staff is in my list needs to get here in a hurry!!!
 
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#34
therealitytheory said:
Gino would take the team in orange with all of those HS all-americans and beat ND by 25 points.

Sorry, but it's true.
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coach than Summitt. I love Pat, but it's a fact. His teams pass the ball very well while we are a terrible passing team. The sad fact, and I've been saying this for years, is that the game has long since passed by PS, notwithstanding her health issues. Were it not for the individual greatness of Parker, this would have been apparent to the diehards years ago. Her teams have almost NEVER been good in the half-court offense but win because we've always got twice the raw talent as most other teams--except that UT cannot beat solid, well-coached teams anymore.

We have TWICE the talent as this ND team--but they are well coached, well drilled, well schooled, and our players are CLUELESS. This has been obvious to anyone who knows basketball for years. This is why we always have a LOT of turnovers and few assists and generally a low shooting percentage when we play good teams. It's all compounded by the fact that this team isn't very good defensively either.

I actually thought this team had a strong title run in it this year--but the coaching is NOT THERE. For one thing, Glory Johnson could make 65 or 70 percent of her free throws if she concentrated on the fundamentals--as her stroke is not bad. But she rushes the shot--doesn't bend her knees nearly enough, doesn't take a breath to relax before she shoots--and for these reasons is about a 45 percent FT shooter--which is inexcusable. Coaching! I guarantee that she could shoot 15 percentage points higher if the coaches focused on her fundamentals. But they apparently don't--and she costs the team about 10 points a game with her lousy free throw shooting alone! It's unacceptable! You can't beat good teams when your leading free-throw shooter is clanking two-thirds of her attempts!

Same with low post offensive moves: You catch the ball in the paint, move your body one way, pivot and turn the opposite way, go up tall and strong and make the 6 foot shot. NO DRIBBLING!! NO WASTED MOTION, NO WASTED TIME. Catch, fake, shoot! What do Baugh and Johnson do--two SENIORS? They get the ball, and are hunched over--playing small rather than tall-- and then try to take a couple of dribbles, wasting time while defenders converge on them in the paint, and then it's over--turnover or bad shot or a miss. Fundamentals. Watch Stanford players operate in the paint offensively and then watch ours--night and day. The man who coaches these girls has no idea what he's doing. Of course, even if they knew how to play in the paint, we have no one on the perimeter other than Massengale who knows how to make a low post entry pass. So that's another problem.

Massengale played badly tonight, by the way. She got pressured defensively--and with her big body and good ball handling, she has to beat that man pressure--as he can--and take the ball to the basket. She didn't do that tonight--didn't try to score. Not sure why. Conversely, she let her opposing ND player do that to her for much of the night--their guards drove past her to the paint and scored with regularity. This team did NOTHING right fundamentally tonight. ZERO.

Here's the worst of it. Recruits are watching this team lose to every good team it plays, know all about Pat's health issue and the coaching situation, and they will go elsewhere--and then the program is going to be in a heap of trouble, as the Vols lose a bunch of players this year--Johnson, Baugh, Manning, for starters. The diehard PS worshippers want to blame the players--but this team needs much better coaching and a serious emphasis on fundamentals.
 
#35
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Slydell said:
That would be an extreme and bold move by Hart. I don't see him doing it.
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That is why he is making the big bucks, to make decisions. Not to put his finger in the wind looking for the prevailing direction.

Harsh as it may sound, he is responsible for the future of Vol athletics, not overseeing the final chapter of Pat's legend.

I believe that the current Lady Vols are overated from a talent level standpoint but, the coaching structure does not help at all.
 
#36
#36
Just watched the Lady Vols get blasted by the Lady Irish 72-44. I know there are some hurt players on the Lady Vols and they aren't 100%. However, I'm not sure this is a Final 4 team. If the Lady Vols make the Elite 8 they'll do good. They didn't play good defense and did not make good shots at times. Do I have anyone that agrees with me that this years team is not Final 4 caliber?
Nothing will change how I feel about our Vols and will ALWAYS remain loyal NO MATTER WHAT!
 
#37
#37
Slydell said:
Well, that's your reason. Just curious why the coaches sat her seeing as how she was about the only one producing points.
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Not just my opinion apparently. And the only reason she's "the only one producing points", is because she's the only one shooting. Everyone else is hoping to get a rebound from her shots. Even the announcers are talking about her shot selection and amount.
 
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Larry1949 said:
That is why he is making the big bucks, to make decisions. Not to put his finger in the wind looking for the prevailing direction.

Harsh as it may sound, he is responsible for the future of Vol athletics, not overseeing the final chapter of Pat's legend.

I believe that the current Lady Vols are overated from a talent level standpoint but, the coaching structure does not help at all.
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I understand fully the concerns. If he removes Pat in any way before the end of this season, it will certainly test my allegiance as a fan. It was a horrible game tonight, no doubt. Failures at a lot of things. The season isn't over yet.
 
#40
#40
You can see Coach Summitt is not coaching the team if she was this team would not be playing the way it is. Watching the Lady Vols play and having season tickets since 1984 I have watched Pat coach and how she handles the team. In watching the games this year Pat would never be sitting on the bench, many times I don't think she ever sit the entire game. For all the all americans we have on this team and see them play the way they do, it is not Tennessee Lady Vols basketball I have grown to love over all this years.
 
#41
#41
armchair said:
coach than Summitt. I love Pat, but it's a fact. His teams pass the ball very well while we are a terrible passing team. The sad fact, and I've been saying this for years, is that the game has long since passed by PS, notwithstanding her health issues. Were it not for the individual greatness of Parker, this would have been apparent to the diehards years ago. Her teams have almost NEVER been good in the half-court offense but win because we've always got twice the raw talent as most other teams--except that UT cannot beat solid, well-coached teams anymore.

We have TWICE the talent as this ND team--but they are well coached, well drilled, well schooled, and our players are CLUELESS. This has been obvious to anyone who knows basketball for years. This is why we always have a LOT of turnovers and few assists and generally a low shooting percentage when we play good teams. It's all compounded by the fact that this team isn't very good defensively either.

I actually thought this team had a strong title run in it this year--but the coaching is NOT THERE. For one thing, Glory Johnson could make 65 or 70 percent of her free throws if she concentrated on the fundamentals--as her stroke is not bad. But she rushes the shot--doesn't bend her knees nearly enough, doesn't take a breath to relax before she shoots--and for these reasons is about a 45 percent FT shooter--which is inexcusable. Coaching! I guarantee that she could shoot 15 percentage points higher if the coaches focused on her fundamentals. But they apparently don't--and she costs the team about 10 points a game with her lousy free throw shooting alone! It's unacceptable! You can't beat good teams when your leading free-throw shooter is clanking two-thirds of her attempts!

Same with low post offensive moves: You catch the ball in the paint, move your body one way, pivot and turn the opposite way, go up tall and strong and make the 6 foot shot. NO DRIBBLING!! NO WASTED MOTION, NO WASTED TIME. Catch, fake, shoot! What do Baugh and Johnson do--two SENIORS? They get the ball, and are hunched over--playing small rather than tall-- and then try to take a couple of dribbles, wasting time while defenders converge on them in the paint, and then it's over--turnover or bad shot or a miss. Fundamentals. Watch Stanford players operate in the paint offensively and then watch ours--night and day. The man who coaches these girls has no idea what he's doing. Of course, even if they knew how to play in the paint, we have no one on the perimeter other than Massengale who knows how to make a low post entry pass. So that's another problem.

Massengale played badly tonight, by the way. She got pressured defensively--and with her big body and good ball handling, she has to beat that man pressure--as he can--and take the ball to the basket. She didn't do that tonight--didn't try to score. Not sure why. Conversely, she let her opposing ND player do that to her for much of the night--their guards drove past her to the paint and scored with regularity. This team did NOTHING right fundamentally tonight. ZERO.

Here's the worst of it. Recruits are watching this team lose to every good team it plays, know all about Pat's health issue and the coaching situation, and they will go elsewhere--and then the program is going to be in a heap of trouble, as the Vols lose a bunch of players this year--Johnson, Baugh, Manning, for starters. The diehard PS worshippers want to blame the players--but this team needs much better coaching and a serious emphasis on fundamentals.
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I hate to agree because I know what that means, but it's sadly true.
 
#42
#42
I have a feeling this is pat's last year. she seems really detached during the game. i really don't think the current staff can pick up where she left off.
 
#43
#43
VolsNUT said:
Not just my opinion apparently. And the only reason she's "the only one producing points", is because she's the only one shooting. Everyone else is hoping to get a rebound from her shots. Even the announcers are talking about her shot selection and amount.
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Can't put this loss on Simmons. Too many breakdowns most every position.
 
#44
#44
armchair said:
coach than Summitt. I love Pat, but it's a fact. His teams pass the ball very well while we are a terrible passing team. The sad fact, and I've been saying this for years, is that the game has long since passed by PS, notwithstanding her health issues. Were it not for the individual greatness of Parker, this would have been apparent to the diehards years ago. Her teams have almost NEVER been good in the half-court offense but win because we've always got twice the raw talent as most other teams--except that UT cannot beat solid, well-coached teams anymore.

We have TWICE the talent as this ND team--but they are well coached, well drilled, well schooled, and our players are CLUELESS. This has been obvious to anyone who knows basketball for years. This is why we always have a LOT of turnovers and few assists and generally a low shooting percentage when we play good teams. It's all compounded by the fact that this team isn't very good defensively either.

I actually thought this team had a strong title run in it this year--but the coaching is NOT THERE. For one thing, Glory Johnson could make 65 or 70 percent of her free throws if she concentrated on the fundamentals--as her stroke is not bad. But she rushes the shot--doesn't bend her knees nearly enough, doesn't take a breath to relax before she shoots--and for these reasons is about a 45 percent FT shooter--which is inexcusable. Coaching! I guarantee that she could shoot 15 percentage points higher if the coaches focused on her fundamentals. But they apparently don't--and she costs the team about 10 points a game with her lousy free throw shooting alone! It's unacceptable! You can't beat good teams when your leading free-throw shooter is clanking two-thirds of her attempts!

Same with low post offensive moves: You catch the ball in the paint, move your body one way, pivot and turn the opposite way, go up tall and strong and make the 6 foot shot. NO DRIBBLING!! NO WASTED MOTION, NO WASTED TIME. Catch, fake, shoot! What do Baugh and Johnson do--two SENIORS? They get the ball, and are hunched over--playing small rather than tall-- and then try to take a couple of dribbles, wasting time while defenders converge on them in the paint, and then it's over--turnover or bad shot or a miss. Fundamentals. Watch Stanford players operate in the paint offensively and then watch ours--night and day. The man who coaches these girls has no idea what he's doing. Of course, even if they knew how to play in the paint, we have no one on the perimeter other than Massengale who knows how to make a low post entry pass. So that's another problem.

Massengale played badly tonight, by the way. She got pressured defensively--and with her big body and good ball handling, she has to beat that man pressure--as he can--and take the ball to the basket. She didn't do that tonight--didn't try to score. Not sure why. Conversely, she let her opposing ND player do that to her for much of the night--their guards drove past her to the paint and scored with regularity. This team did NOTHING right fundamentally tonight. ZERO.

Here's the worst of it. Recruits are watching this team lose to every good team it plays, know all about Pat's health issue and the coaching situation, and they will go elsewhere--and then the program is going to be in a heap of trouble, as the Vols lose a bunch of players this year--Johnson, Baugh, Manning, for starters. The diehard PS worshippers want to blame the players--but this team needs much better coaching and a serious emphasis on fundamentals.
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I'm one. :hi:
 
#46
#46
TennFan said:
Just watched the Lady Vols get blasted by the Lady Irish 72-44. I know there are some hurt players on the Lady Vols and they aren't 100%. However, I'm not sure this is a Final 4 team. If the Lady Vols make the Elite 8 they'll do good. They didn't play good defense and did not make good shots at times. Do I have anyone that agrees with me that this years team is not Final 4 caliber?
Nothing will change how I feel about our Vols and will ALWAYS remain loyal NO MATTER WHAT!
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No way this team gets to the Final 4. I don't see them advancing past the Sweet 16.
 
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#47
#47
Slydell said:
I understand fully the concerns. If he removes Pat in any way before the end of this season, it will certainly test my allegiance as a fan. It was a horrible game tonight, no doubt. Failures at a lot of things. The season isn't over yet.
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Hate to break it to you, ace, but Pat is already removed - sad and unfair as it is. Hart and UT have been very respectful of her and she will finish out the season as Head Coach. So nobody will be testing your precious allegiance. pfft
 
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#48
#48
Slydell said:
I understand fully the concerns. If he removes Pat in any way before the end of this season, it will certainly test my allegiance as a fan. It was a horrible game tonight, no doubt. Failures at a lot of things. The season isn't over yet.
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If Pat was truly Pat she would put a stop to the farce this whole exercise has become. Her advisors are doing Pat and the Vols a terrible disservice. Phil got too comfortable and we let it drift to disaster. Pat is terribly ill and will not recover. We must not drift to disaster this time.
 
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#50
therealitytheory said:
Hate to break it to you, ace, but Pat is already removed - sad and unfair as it is. Hart and UT have been very respectful of her and she will finish out the season as Head Coach. So nobody will be testing your precious allegiance. pfft
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Hate to break it to ya ace, but I may be in a better position to know a bit myself. I've been a fan a year or so myself. After the season, I'll understand. Not before. Hart has done nothing yet.
 
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