GAMEDAY CENTRAL: #9 Tennessee vs. #2 Notre Dame

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Slydell said:
Hate to break it to ya ace, but I may be in a better position to know a bit myself. I've been a fan a year or so myself. After the season, I'll understand. Not before. Hart has done nothing yet.
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That is my point, Hart has done nothing yet.
Exactly what will you understand after the season that is not clear now?
 
#52
#52
Nobody will do anything until the season is over. It's stupid to think otherwise but I think there will be a lot of discussion and meetings about the matter when the season is over. We may never hear about it, but I'll bet they take place.
 
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#53
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Anyone who thinks Hart would ever get rid of Pat is delusional. The one and only way she ever leaves this program is on her own terms. Anyone thinking otherwise is crazy.
 
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Larry1949 said:
That is my point, Hart has done nothing yet.
Exactly what will you understand after the season that is not clear now?
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If Pat leaves on her own. This program means more to Pat than anyone else. She has far greater invested in it than anyone. I would trust her to make the right decision when to step down. She may have already made that decision.
 
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Orange Maniac said:
Nobody will do anything until the season is over. It's stupid to think otherwise but I think there will be a lot of discussion and meetings about the matter when the season is over. We may never hear about it, but I'll bet they take place.
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If the meetings and discussions wait till after the year is over.... All decision makers should be terminated. I'll bet Kodak leadership waited until it was convenient to discuss the challenge from digital technology....
 
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#56
I not only watched this game tonight and thought (this is not a Pat Summit Lady Vol) team, but it has been like that all this year..As a matter of fact, we started our decline when this current senior class started as freshman after we won back to back championships..I got to watch them in person at KY and the product i used to see say 6 years ago, is long gone..I don't know how long Coach Summit has been sick, but i am sure it didn't start a little time before she made it public..

This senior class came into UT as one of Pat's best recruiting classes ever on paper, and they have shown that they were just small market stars, and not meant to play in a National Championship type program...With the little sprinkling of young talent, this group should have been a sure fire Final 4 team, and it will take a complete 360 and a miracle for them to achieve that goal..It is really sad to see a Lady Vol team play so horribly and know there is nothing that can be done..It is no way Pat is the same lady, that made these Seniors practice right after coming back from losing in the tournament their freshman year..I am not in Knoxville, so i don't know..Pat might be coaching in practice but she has nothing to do with the games, and it is sad...It is now way my girl would have let this time play the way they did tonight..When Pat was well, i hope she made it known who she wanted to take over after retirement, and i hope like hell, that that person does not exist on this current staff...
 
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bucball2483 said:
Anyone who thinks Hart would ever get rid of Pat is delusional. The one and only way she ever leaves this program is on her own terms. Anyone thinking otherwise is crazy.
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Pat not only built this program, but really is the reason that female basketball is even a subject..PAT LEAVES WHEN SHE WANTS TO, NO MATTER WHAT...
 
#58
#58
Slydell said:
If Pat leaves on her own. This program means more to Pat than anyone else. She has far greater invested in it than anyone. I would trust her to make the right decision when to step down. She may have already made that decision.
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I would trust the Pat we know and respect, not the person sitting on the bench in 2012. My father in law has dementia. As I remind my wife constantly, that is not the father you grew up with, that is an 84 yr old man man who reasons poorly, is frequently disinterested and loses focus. That is not the intense, focused coaching icon we came to depend on. That is a lady fighting to retain some semblance of dignity as the twilight approaches.

No one is bigger than the program, no one.
 
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Larry1949 said:
That is why he is making the big bucks, to make decisions. Not to put his finger in the wind looking for the prevailing direction.

Harsh as it may sound, he is responsible for the future of Vol athletics, not overseeing the final chapter of Pat's legend.

I believe that the current Lady Vols are overated from a talent level standpoint but, the coaching structure does not help at all.
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He's responsible for both. There's nothing wrong with being patient this season for Pat and her extended family and let change come in the offseason.
 
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Larry1949 said:
If the meetings and discussions wait till after the year is over.... All decision makers should be terminated. I'll bet Kodak leadership waited until it was convenient to discuss the challenge from digital technology....
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They will wait. Pat has earned that and more. They are not going to do anything until they see how this plays out.
 
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Larry1949 said:
I would trust the Pat we know and respect, not the person sitting on the bench in 2012. My father in law has dementia. As I remind my wife constantly, that is not the father you grew up with, that is an 84 yr old man man who reasons poorly, is frequently disinterested and loses focus. That is not the intense, focused coaching icon we came to depend on. That is a lady fighting to retain some semblance of dignity as the twilight approaches.

No one is bigger than the program, no one.
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Pat is not anywhere near the condition you state. She probably will be at some time, not yet.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
He's responsible for both. There's nothing wrong with being patient this season for Pat and her extended family and let change come in the offseason.
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True change takes two things; a powerful enemy and imminent danger.

It would seem a sizable portion of the Vol universe is not there yet. I am.
 
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Larry1949 said:
I would trust the Pat we know and respect, not the person sitting on the bench in 2012. My father in law has dementia. As I remind my wife constantly, that is not the father you grew up with, that is an 84 yr old man man who reasons poorly, is frequently disinterested and loses focus. That is not the intense, focused coaching icon we came to depend on. That is a lady fighting to retain some semblance of dignity as the twilight approaches.

No one is bigger than the program, no one.
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You are so right. People saying Pat knows what is best. I know my brother in law who has dementia did not know what was best, or the medication he was taking did not let my brother in law make proper decisions. I don't want this to happen to Pat!
 
#67
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Slydell said:
Pat is not anywhere near the condition you state. She probably will be at some time, not yet.
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You seem to have more knowledge than you are giving to us. Would you care to expound on your expertise in this disease. Or perhaps give us your view of Pat that we are not seeing...maybe your personal experiences with Pat that will help ease our minds.
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
You seem to have more knowledge than you are giving to us. Would you care to expound on your expertise in this disease. Or perhaps give us your view of Pat that we are not seeing...maybe your personal experiences with Pat that will help ease our minds.
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Agree
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
You seem to have more knowledge than you are giving to us. Would you care to expound on your expertise in this disease. Or perhaps give us your view of Pat that we are not seeing...maybe your personal experiences with Pat that will help ease our minds.
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The disease advances differently for each person. Ultimately, and sadly, the ending is the same. I've watched three people with it from the beginning until the end. Most recently and more closely, my Mom. It was publicly announced that coaching duties would be shared more than ever before. Obviously, we're seeing that. I think a lot of what we're seeing with Pat on the side has more to do with the medications she is taking due to the disease. Also, fatigue, to different extremes, is something many experience. She seemed full of fire the last couple of games when getting of the refs. But, I know that things can change overnight with this disease. I know one person who did well for a year, another who went from being a top surgeon to a shell in 6 months. The last, from fully capable to not remembering what happened a minute ago in one month. I've been a Pat and Lady Vol supporter for 40 years. Maybe that makes it harder for me or might make me less objective in this instance.:hi:
 
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Slydell said:
The disease advances differently for each person. Ultimately, and sadly, the ending is the same. I've watched three people with it from the beginning until the end. Most recently and more closely, my Mom. It was publicly announced that coaching duties would be shared more than ever before. Obviously, we're seeing that. I think a lot of what we're seeing with Pat on the side has more to do with the medications she is taking due to the disease. Also, fatigue, to different extremes, is something many experience. She seemed full of fire the last couple of games when getting of the refs. But, I know that things can change overnight with this disease. I know one person who did well for a year, another who went from being a top surgeon to a shell in 6 months. The last, from fully capable to not remembering
what happened a minute ago in one month. I've been a Pat and Lady Vol supporter for 40 years. Maybe that makes it harder for me or might make me less objective in this instance.:hi:
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Your insights dovetail with my understanding of the disease. That is why I feel change must happen now. The coaches and players must focus on what they have to do to improve, not be distracted by looking out for Pat out of the corner of their eye.

Vol fans would like the world to stand still and let Pat's coaching tenure end gracefully and on our perception of her terms. Unfortunately, today's high school jrs and seniors will not come to UT based on our rich past. They, and their parents, must, and will, look at their individual futures. They can't live in our tradition or on Pat's legacy. If Pat was her true self, she would emphatically tell you the same thing.
 
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