Gators v. Vols

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This will be a good one.
VOLS - 27
FLORIDA - 24

While i would love to sweep Flordia and LSU, realitically speaking if we can go 1-1 and then run the table and SEC CHAMPIONSHIP, book your tickets to another National Championship. Hats off to UT Admin in scheduling the tough one's early. Time to recover if you drop one.
 
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i agree that uf's new offensive scheme is going to be part of the reason why they lose to us. but i dont believe its going to be their lack of knowledge on how to run it, cause i mean, thats what they are practicing and learning this very minute. the part of the scheme that will get them is the fact that it is a spread option offense. this will not work against ut for at least 2 reasons. #1. as it has been said on here several times, our defense is way too fast, you can spread us all over the field if you want to but we are so fast and athletic in every phase of the defense that it wont matter. #2 the option?? in the SEC?? :nono: come on now, i dont care what form of the option you run in this league, your qb better be able to run about a 4.2 40 and weigh about 230-240 to be durable enough to take all the hits throughout the season. leak doesnt meet either of these requirments and i could be wrong but does uf have a capable backup at the qb position? because i havent heard of one if they do. therefore, while i hope the offense puts up tons of points in this game, i really feel it is our defense that is going to win this game for us.
 
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I tell you, I am really starting to sense in these posts a quiet desperation on the part of Vols fans. Living in Florida, I monitor hurricanes quite a bit (the sotrms, not the team) and in the lingo is the word "wishcasting" as opposed to forecasting.

The tenor of the pro-UT comments on here seem, not always but often, panicked to me. As I say, there is a desperation in the air... a sense that Florida will prevail ... a worry that UT is due for a down year with some tough road games ... a feeling out there that Fulmer is losing it .. that with Meyer at the helm, Florida will once again dominate.

But who knows? Maybe I am the one that is wishcasting. Time will tell....

 
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Blowout of A&M in the Cotton Bowl, consensus top 3 (Scout.com #1) recruiting class last year. Yeah we all think Fulmer is losing it . . .

It's always hard playing in the Swamp, and Florida is going to be very talented this year, but then again they always are. People making realistic predictions (game decided by 7 points or less) shouldn't be labeled as "desperation."

If I were a Florida fan, I would desperately want to lose less than 5 games in a season, and win my bowl game for a change.
 
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Originally posted by GenNeyland9@Aug 11, 2005 2:56 PM
Blowout of A&M in the Cotton Bowl, consensus top 3 (Scout.com #1) recruiting class last year.  Yeah we all think Fulmer is losing it . . .

It's always hard playing in the Swamp, and Florida is going to be very talented this year, but then again they always are.  People making realistic predictions (game decided by 7 points or less) shouldn't be labeled as "desperation."

If I were a Florida fan, I would desperately want to lose less than 5 games in a season, and win my bowl game for a change.
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LOL. Well put. And you are right, to a degree. I said some, but not all.

It may be a close game, it may not be. Maybe UT will win, maybe UF will win. If you read closely, all I commit to right now is the prediciton that Florida will be favored (barring some important injury or other development). But favorites don't always win. If they did, we'd all be rich.
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Aug 11, 2005 2:49 PM
I tell you, I am really starting to sense in these posts a quiet desperation on the part of Vols fans.  Living in Florida, I monitor hurricanes quite a bit (the sotrms, not the team) and in the lingo is the word "wishcasting" as opposed to forecasting.

The tenor of the pro-UT comments on here seem, not always but often, panicked to me.  As I say, there is a desperation in the air... a sense that Florida will prevail ... a worry that UT is due for a down year with some tough road games ... a feeling out there that Fulmer is losing it .. that with Meyer at the helm, Florida will once again dominate.

But who knows?  Maybe I am the one that is wishcasting.  Time will tell....
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Really? You sense desperation in the air? Besides the fact that we have out played yall the last 3 years and we are all of a sudden suppose to be worried that yall are going to beat us? Funny how Fulmer is losing it when we go 10-3 last year, pull in the best recruting class in the nation last year, return 8 starters on defense, have tons pre season all americans on our team, but wait he is losing it. How is ut due for a down year? we have had down years since 1998, cause I consider it a down year unless we win the national championship.
 
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I agree. The Gators will probably be favored.

As for being rich, sure would be nice to start paying back these student loans . . .
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Aug 11, 2005 2:49 PM
I tell you, I am really starting to sense in these posts a quiet desperation on the part of Vols fans.  Living in Florida, I monitor hurricanes quite a bit (the sotrms, not the team) and in the lingo is the word "wishcasting" as opposed to forecasting.

The tenor of the pro-UT comments on here seem, not always but often, panicked to me.  As I say, there is a desperation in the air... a sense that Florida will prevail ... a worry that UT is due for a down year with some tough road games ... a feeling out there that Fulmer is losing it .. that with Meyer at the helm, Florida will once again dominate.

But who knows?  Maybe I am the one that is wishcasting.  Time will tell....
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LMFAO!!!!!! Dude say it with me "Crack is bad"...You only wish Fulmer was losing it...You say this because the last 2 times we've come to Gainesville we've beat you...And last year at home we beat you...Fulmer isn't losing it...The sense of deseperationg as you say, maybe that's you and your team? You guys say you're going to go undefreated and this and that but Urban Meyer hasn't played a game in the SEC....Who knows if his offense will even work? The SEC is far, far different than the Mountain West...We aren't due for a down year...we had that in 02......Just get ready, the Orange Crush is coming to Gainseville
 
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Hey LawGator, what's the word down in FL about the Gator secondary?

I know Dee Webb can play, but I think the other CB position is wide-open. Vernell Brown isn't all that great. I keep hearing about a new JUCO arrival (think his name is Reggie Nelson) that is supposed to be great if he can qualify academically. Let me affirm from experience that it is very frustrating to have a good front seven but an inexperienced and unproven secondary.

Also expect to hear big things out of Derrick Harvey this year. UT better block him and change up the snap count. I don't want a repeat of Alex Brown in '99.
 
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Originally posted by #10_Ainge_#10@Aug 11, 2005 3:15 PM
LMFAO!!!!!!  Dude say it with me "Crack is bad"...You only wish Fulmer was losing it...You say this because the last 2 times we've come to Gainesville we've beat you...And last year at home we beat you...Fulmer isn't losing it...The sense of deseperationg as you say, maybe that's you and your team?  You guys say you're going to go undefreated and this and that but Urban Meyer hasn't played a game in the SEC....Who knows if his offense will even work?  The SEC is far, far different than the Mountain West...We aren't due for a down year...we had that in 02......Just get ready, the Orange Crush is coming to Gainseville
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I simply am going to have to categorically reject the claim you make that UT won last year as we all know the truth. A post a few back had the gall to say UT "outplayed" Florida the last three years. Again, a misstatement of fact given the end of the game last year.

Meyer is not the only guy using the spread option. It is not solely a Mountain West phenomenon. Jim Rome a month or so back asked it this way: "How can Florida NOT be great? Meyer was able to take Utah to the BCS and go undefeated with that talent pool and now he can just go fishing in his own backyard for blue chippers."

Beano Cooke predicts a UF-Texas Rose Bowl.

Yes, you beat us the last three years but Zook was coach of a young team suffering from Spurrier wanting to get in an extra 18 rather than go recruit anybody for his last two years. For all his faults, Zook recruited very well and now we have the motivator named after a Pope who wanted us over Notre Dame.

The momentum is swinging, folks.

 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Aug 11, 2005 3:29 PM
A post a few back had the gall to say UT "outplayed" Florida the last three years.  Again, a misstatement of fact given the end of the game last year.
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And in fact, to confirm, total offense in the game last year was UF 421, UT 403 and UT had to go 2 for 2 on 4th down conversions. Hardly "outplaying" UF.
 
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The momentum won't swing (if at all) until we lace 'em up and play this season. That's ridiculous to say it is swinging right now. That sentence sums up why there is an entire thread on this message board dedicated to making fun of Urban Meyer's deification (Countdown to the Urban Myth).

As far as who has outplayed who, that's irrelevant. Any way you want to slice it, UT has won 3 out of the last 4 games, and the last two in your fabeled Swamp. Citing who gained more yardage is also irrelevant. Yardage doesn't account for field position (we had a great punter last year), turnovers, defensive touchdowns, etc. UT has outgained Florida several times, most notably in the infamous 1996 game at Knoxville, yet no one on this board would argue that we outplayed the Gators that year.

We also had a higher ranked recruiting effort this past offseason. I don't see these facts (that's what they are, facts) as signs of a change in momentum.

Meyer may turn out to be a great coach, but it is very unwise and foolish to suggest that somehow UT's current momentum (both as a program and over the Gators) is slipping just because Meyer's sexy offensive system and his infamous "Champions Club" have garnered so much attention from the college football world this offseason.

Jim Rome is an idiot, and not just because of the statement you quoted. Meyer is inheriting more talent than he had at Utah, yes, but he is no longer playing the likes of Air Force and BYU. In short, there are several reasons why Florida may not be great. They include Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, and Florida State.

As for Beano Cooke, that crazy old man is famous for his prediction that Ron Paulas was going to win a couple of Heisman trophies while playing QB for Notre Dame (oops . . .). He also predicted UT to win the National Championship in 2002, so I wouldn't be boasting about his prognostications if I were you.
 
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Originally posted by GenNeyland9@Aug 11, 2005 3:45 PM

Meyer may turn out to be a great coach, but it is very unwise and foolish to suggest that somehow UT's current momentum (both as a program and over the Gators) is slipping just because Meyer's sexy offensive system and his infamous "Champions Club" have garnered so much attention from the college football world this offseason.


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But... that's all I have right now. :birgits_giggle:
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Aug 11, 2005 3:29 PM
I simply am going to have to categorically reject the claim you make that UT won last year as we all know the truth.  A post a few back had the gall to say UT "outplayed" Florida the last three years.  Again, a misstatement of fact given the end of the game last year.

Meyer is not the only guy using the spread option.  It is not solely a Mountain West phenomenon.  Jim Rome a month or so back asked it this way:  "How can Florida NOT be great?  Meyer was able to take Utah to the BCS and go undefeated with that talent pool and now he can just go fishing in his own backyard for blue chippers."

Beano Cooke predicts a UF-Texas Rose Bowl.

Yes, you beat us the last three years but Zook was coach of a young team suffering from Spurrier wanting to get in an extra 18 rather than go recruit anybody for his last two years.  For all his faults, Zook recruited very well and now we have the motivator named after a Pope who wanted us over Notre Dame.

The momentum is swinging, folks.
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Beano Cooke predicts a uf- texas Rose bowl. Yeah now how reasonable is that when we all know that There is no way USC is going to lose with there cupcake schedule. Now how can you say we didn't beat you last year? Last time I checked we won. You didn't. End of story. The ref may have got the call wrong but we still drove all the way down the field on yall and scored the game winning field goal. Don't give me that crap, oh the refs the refs, Because What comes around goes around and last time i checked yall got some help from the refs on "the catch" and we arent claming that we didn't lose that game. You guys are no diffrent then bammers. They say they have 6,000 national championships and Florida fans calim they didn't lose a game cause of the refs. Yeah dont give me your crap.
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Aug 11, 2005 3:51 PM
But... that's all I have right now.  :birgits_giggle:
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Exactly my point. That's why you should not suggest that momentum is somehow turning one way or the other.
 
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To suggest the "momentum is turning" even though yall have lost yalls last three meetings with us is pretty damn funny. Beat us first, then talk smack ok. Beat us first, then you can talk smack. Just remember that there is not one UT player on our current squad that has ever lost to Florida. Just remember that. Is there a player on your squad that has ever beat Tennessee????
 
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Originally posted by GenNeyland9@Aug 11, 2005 3:45 PM
The momentum won't swing (if at all) until we lace 'em up and play this season.  That's ridiculous to say it is swinging right now.  That sentence sums up why there is an entire thread on this message board dedicated to making fun of Urban Meyer's deification (Countdown to the Urban Myth). 

As far as who has outplayed who, that's irrelevant.  Any way you want to slice it, UT has won 3 out of the last 4 games, and the last two in your fabeled Swamp.  Citing who gained more yardage is also irrelevant.  Yardage doesn't account for field position (we had a great punter last year), turnovers, defensive touchdowns, etc.  UT has outgained Florida several times, most notably in the infamous 1996 game at Knoxville, yet no one on this board would argue that we outplayed the Gators that year. 

We also had a higher ranked recruiting effort this past offseason.  I don't see these facts (that's what they are, facts) as signs of a change in momentum. 

Meyer may turn out to be a great coach, but it is very unwise and foolish to suggest that somehow UT's current momentum (both as a program and over the Gators) is slipping just because Meyer's sexy offensive system and his infamous "Champions Club" have garnered so much attention from the college football world this offseason.

Jim Rome is an idiot, and not just because of the statement you quoted.  Meyer is inheriting more talent than he had at Utah, yes, but he is no longer playing the likes of Air Force and BYU.  In short, there are several reasons why Florida may not be great.  They include Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, and Florida State.

As for Beano Cooke, that crazy old man is famous for his prediction that Ron Paulas was going to win a couple of Heisman trophies while playing QB for Notre Dame (oops . . .).  He also predicted UT to win the National Championship in 2002, so I wouldn't be boasting about his prognostications if I were you.
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Great Post bro.
 
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"Meyer is not the only guy using the spread option. It is not solely a Mountain West phenomenon."


very true, meyer is not the only guy that runs the spread option and it is not solely a moutain west phenomenon. but it is definetly not going to be a phenomenon in the SEC cause the rest of the nation does not play the type of defense this league plays. i'm sure the spread option offense would work great in the C-USA or another conference like that but dont bring it to a league that plays defense like the SEC does.

GO VOLS!!! :rock:
 
#45
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Originally posted by vols2345@Aug 11, 2005 3:58 PM
To suggest the "momentum is turning"  even though yall have lost yalls last three meetings with us is pretty damn funny.  Beat us first,  then talk smack ok.  Beat us first,  then you can talk smack.  Just remember that there is not one UT player on our current squad that has ever lost to Florida.  Just remember that.  Is there a player on your squad that has ever beat Tennessee????
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What does the fact that no UT player was on the 2000 squad ( fact I am not positive of given redshirts) have to do with whether UF is on the upswing?
 
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Cause I am saying that all the players on tennessee own your gators. But go ahead and say you are on a up swing. Your head coach is not a saviour. No one can help that bunch down there. Yall need defensive help, not a offensive minded head coach. yall can score 30 points a game all you want, but that defense wont hold anyone under 32. so good luck.
 
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lawgator, vols2345 didn't realize that by "upswing" you were counting moral victories.
 
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Originally posted by TitanVol@Aug 11, 2005 4:19 PM
lawgator, vols2345 didn't realize that by "upswing" you were counting moral victories.
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What the hell is a moral victory? oh we won that game but the refs took it from us. Yeah well then I have a couple of those in my back pocket if we are talking moral victories. shoot we would have went undefeated last year but those damn corners..........................
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Aug 11, 2005 4:21 PM
What the hell is a moral victory?  oh we won that game but the refs took it from us.  Yeah well then I have a couple of those in my back pocket if we are talking moral victories.  shoot we would have went undefeated last year but those damn corners..........................
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exactly.
 
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Bottom line lawgator: You haven't beaten us in 3 out of 4 years and momentum is on our side on the field...Right now that has nothing to do with how good Meyer is going or not going to be....You say what you want about last year's game but we won it.....The refs didn't kick a 50 yard field goal for us did they? Deal with facts, if you don't like them then leave.
 
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