Gay families become more accepted in america

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#51
oh i agree with the last part, but i do think it shows that these kids aren't massively screwed up which is what many argue.
 
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#52
He's right. 154 isn't enough observations to really put any weight on, though the results jive with my expectations.

In my mind an ideal test would have 1000 observations from both gay and straight couples who adopted. The fact that most gay and lesbian couples adopt (or jump through hoops to get a child) ensures that the study suffers from a selection bias. If all observations are adopted children it takes care of that problem.
 
#53
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nbakerld said:
He's right. 154 isn't enough observations to really put any weight on, though the results jive with my expectations.

In my mind an ideal test would have 1000 observations from both gay and straight couples who adopted. The fact that most gay and lesbian couples adopt (or jump through hoops to get a child) ensures that the study suffers from a selection bias. Making sure all observations are adopted children takes care of that problem.
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I'd say that would be pretty spot on.
 
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droski said:
oh i agree with the last part, but i do think it shows that these kids aren't massively screwed up which is what many argue.
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I wonder if there would be any difference in a study between gay women partners and gay men partners with kids?
 
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BTW, the article addresses the issues we've been talking about:

"'The children we studied were highly desired,' she says. 'They didn't result from a broken condom or too much alcohol. Their parents worked hard to have them and didn't take the privilege of having kids lightly. They took parenting classes and educated themselves. That's what makes for a good outcome, no matter what the family structure. They built strong communities for their families from the beginning.'

I don't think any gay parent thinks her or his kids are better than anyone else's. But what the findings do prove is that our offspring are no more likely to be messed up than anyone else's. We're not raising freaks. "
 
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I always love how in a gay couple one is always alot more manly. They say they don't like men but Helda over there is wearing pants, has short hair, and sounds like Arnold.

The day I see a ton of lipstick lesbian couples is the day I'll start believing the one on bottom isn't just confused and has daddy issues.
 
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NEOCON said:
I always love how in a gay couple one is always alot more manly. They say they don't like men but Helda over there is wearing pants, has short hair, and sounds like Arnold.

The day I see a ton of lipstick lesbian couples is the day I'll start believing the one on bottom isn't just confused and has daddy issues.
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i've always said lipstick lesibans are a myth.
 
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NEOCON said:
I always love how in a gay couple one is always alot more manly. They say they don't like men but Helda over there is wearing pants, has short hair, and sounds like Arnold.

The day I see a ton of lipstick lesbian couples is the day I'll start believing the one on bottom isn't just confused and has daddy issues.
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You haven't seen couples where both are incredibly manly?

I'd say the 2nd bolded comment is borderline offensive.
 
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#62
Ok, I'll try.

I'd say the one on bottom taking the strap on from the big manly short haired Helda who wears pants probably is confused and has daddy issues.

Or has a large investment in a plastic company.
 
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NEOCON said:
Ok, I'll try.

I'd say the one on bottom taking the strap on from the big manly short haired Helda who wears pants probably is confused and has daddy issues.

Or has a large investment in a plastic company.
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Jerry, Jerry,Jerry,Jerry. This is great stuff...
 
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volinbham said:
all I'm saying is that I want to smoke weed at a gay wedding and your telling me that ain't gonna happen for a while
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God bless America.

As far as gay marriage vs. marijuana decriminalization, I suspect gay marriage will see better progress sooner. It's a civil rights issue, and those have historically had much better and quicker traction here.

Although I'd be somewhat surprised to see either taken care of at the federal level in my lifetime.

If I can smoke weed at a gay wedding in the state of Mississippi by the time I'm 50, I'm gonna do it.
 
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droski said:
oh i agree with the last part, but i do think it shows that these kids aren't massively screwed up which is what many argue.
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They do argue it from studies that focus on the behavior end rather than the family end. Statistically they are more credible than this study. Traditional families (husband/wife living with their own children) most definitely perform better than other heterosexual variants. When you add a serious commitment to "faith", the child's prospects get even better.

The results for homosexual couples raising kids are incomplete at best but some concerns are surfacing. Homosexual relationships do not tend to last at the same levels as heterosexual relationships... and the divorce/split up rate is appallingly damaging to children among heteros. Genuine monogamy is rare among homosexuals even according to homosexual advocacy groups.

There are no rock solid "rules" when it comes to human behavior. There is only probabilities.

When you are dealing with homosexuals however polling becomes very difficult. But it seems from the relative instability of homosexual "homes" that children will not fair as well statistically.
 
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NEOCON said:
Ok, I'll try.

I'd say the one on bottom taking the strap on from the big manly short haired Helda who wears pants probably is confused and has daddy issues.

Or has a large investment in a plastic company.
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You've certainly outdone yourself. Congratulations.
 
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milohimself said:
God bless America.

As far as gay marriage vs. marijuana decriminalization, I suspect gay marriage will see better progress sooner. It's a civil rights issue,
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Nope. It is being cast as a civil rights issue but it isn't.

Although I'd be somewhat surprised to see either taken care of at the federal level in my lifetime.
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The federal gov't should do absolutely nothing concerning marriage... except change tax law so that it neither endorses nor punishes people for their marital status.
 
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sjt18 said:
The federal gov't should do absolutely nothing concerning marriage... except change tax law so that it neither endorses nor punishes people for their marital status.
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Unfortunately the federal government shouldn't do about 90% of what it ends up doing.
 
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nbakerld said:
Unfortunately the federal government shouldn't do about 90% of what it ends up doing.
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Yes. That's my premise for most of the arguments I have here. The Federal Gov't has become a player rather than a referree. It has respect for persons and groups rather than treating all equal under the law. Lying politicians have been so effective that many Americans if not most believe that "rule of men" is for their good. It is a genuine travesty what about 70 years of unopposed Progressive idealism did to freedom and rights in America.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. That's my premise for most of the arguments I have here. The Federal Gov't has become a player rather than a referree.
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Agree
sjt18 said:
Lying politicians
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Redundant

sjt18 said:
It is a genuine travesty what about 70 years of unopposed Progressive idealism did to freedom and rights in America.
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Some of that Progressive idealism did some great things:

Women's suffrage
Civil Rights Act
26th Amendment

I certainly disagree with progressive tax structures and both FDR's "Deal" Programs as well as LBJ's "Great Society", yet to label the entire progressive movement as a "genuine travesty" that, implicitly, restricted freedom and rights is quite wrong.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not to be Mr Obvious here but that study is hardly from an unbiased group and is anecdotal at best.

If someone on the opposite side proposed a study of 154 lesbian mothers that showed their children were emotionally maladjusted... people here would be going absolutely nuts about bias and conjured up evidence.
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Take a statistics class.
 
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sjt18 said:
They do argue it from studies that focus on the behavior end rather than the family end. Statistically they are more credible than this study. Traditional families (husband/wife living with their own children) most definitely perform better than other heterosexual variants. When you add a serious commitment to "faith", the child's prospects get even better.

The results for homosexual couples raising kids are incomplete at best but some concerns are surfacing. Homosexual relationships do not tend to last at the same levels as heterosexual relationships... and the divorce/split up rate is appallingly damaging to children among heteros. Genuine monogamy is rare among homosexuals even according to homosexual advocacy groups.

There are no rock solid "rules" when it comes to human behavior. There is only probabilities.

When you are dealing with homosexuals however polling becomes very difficult. But it seems from the relative instability of homosexual "homes" that children will not fair as well statistically.
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Are you comparing all homosexual relationships to heterosexual marriage success rates?

Don't you think that's apples and oranges?

If only there were gay marriage, you'd have a clearly defined group of gay relationships to compare to straight marriages...
 
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