Gay sex immoral says US general

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#27
I go to war everyday on my xbox360 and risk carple tunnel, so dont tell me about sacrifice.......LOL
 
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therealUT said:
Yes, but liars, thieves, adulterers, etc. are all allowed to openly serve in our military.
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The general stated he would take the same view on adulterers. I doubt a solider that continually lied to his superiors and was caught in the lies or stole in the same manner would last long.
 
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allvol123 said:
The general stated he would take the same view on adulterers. I doubt a solider that continually lied to his superiors and was caught in the lies or stole in the same manner would last long.
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The question is not what the soldier is doing to/with his fellow soldiers and/or superiors. A heterosexual relationship between an Officer and an enlisted soldier is grounds for Article 32 Court Martial. I would assume the same would exist for homosexual relationships.

However, soldiers have affairs very frequently. This, obviously, involves lying in their private affairs. Yet, as I can unofficially counsel soldiers about this, I can take no punitive action.
 
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therealUT said:
The question is not what the soldier is doing to/with his fellow soldiers and/or superiors. A heterosexual relationship between an Officer and an enlisted soldier is grounds for Article 32 Court Martial. I would assume the same would exist for homosexual relationships.

However, soldiers have affairs very frequently. This, obviously, involves lying in their private affairs. Yet, as I can unofficially counsel soldiers about this, I can take no punitive action.
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So the general views homosexuality as immoral. I am sure he feels the same way about heterosexual adultery. I don't see adulterers of the world throwing a fit.
 
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He used the word "immoral" which brings the discussion beyond UCMJ. He is basing his definition of immoral on his upbringing in Biblical matters. The same standard that equates homosexuality as immoral also ties thievery, slander, adultery, lying, etc.

You cannot sit there and pick and choose which immoral acts to enforce. If Pace wants to say immoral acts in the Bible are his standards for what should and should not be allowed in the military, he needs to do so across the board. Or he basically risks turning the military standards into some politically charged and biased debate. This is now a good distraction from what the military needs to be focused on. Great leadership to get involved in political issues.

Again, I ask what happens to those at lower levels who speak out on personal opinions and political issues? Aren't they restrained from making such public statements on policy and politics?
 
#32
#32
The general also stated that his views on the morality/immorality are irrelevant to the Don't Ask/Don't Tell policy.
 
#33
#33
Since you brought up Don't Ask/Don't Tell, this requirement in itself contradicts the concept of no gays in the military. It basically allows gays to be in there as long as they keep their behavior unknown to the military. In other words, this is an official policy saying gays can serve as long as what they do sexually with a partner remains private. So on one hand, gays are NOT allowed but on the other hand gays can come in but just don't let your secret out.
 
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allvol123 said:
So the general views homosexuality as immoral. I am sure he feels the same way about heterosexual adultery. I don't see adulterers of the world throwing a fit.
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Adulterers of the world are not being barred from openly being an adulterer and being in the military.

His comment was reckless and lacks the foresight that should be expected of the nations premier military staff officer.
 
#38
#38
I would agree. However, one could simply admit the fact that he/she has committed an act of adultery and he/she would most likely not even be subject to a statement of counseling. The same soldier could admit that he/she has committed an act of homosexuality and they would be out the door.
 
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therealUT said:
His comment was reckless and lacks the foresight that should be expected of the nations premier military staff officer.
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"I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," were his comments.

He's a maniac, someone had better put the breaks on this out of control freak.
 
#41
#41
Tell him that the insurgents are all gays and maybe we can end this Iraqi situation quickly.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't quite remember it that way.
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It must reflect poorly on the service and hamper your ability to carry out your duty.

Basically, someone higher than your Senior rater would have had to hear about the affair. At the same time, your performance would have to be proven to have suffered during that time period.
 
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therealUT said:
It must reflect poorly on the service and hamper your ability to carry out your duty.

Basically, someone higher than your Senior rater would have had to hear about the affair. At the same time, your performance would have to be proven to have suffered during that time period.
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I can't think of any instance when it wouldn't reflect poorly on the service.
 
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Whether you can think of an instant or not, the truth of the matter is that about 1/8-1/4 of today's infantry are geographical bachelors.

I would guess that number has fluctuated, but remained in the same vicinity, since the dawn of warfare.
 
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#47
Something tells me the Political Forum will become very quiet and irrelevant starting tomorrow.
 
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therealUT said:
Whether you can think of an instant or not, the truth of the matter is that about 1/8-1/4 of today's infantry are geographical bachelors.

I would guess that number has fluctuated, but remained in the same vicinity, since the dawn of warfare.
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That is no way changes the immorality of adultery.
 
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