George Santos (aka Kitara Ravache): The Fabulous Fabulist

[Septic]

So when is the Menendez vote?

Senate doesn't work that way.

 

[Septic]

R Accountability = He was gay and a political liability

I find it kind of hilarious y'all are butt hurt over Santos getting bounced.

If you don't like the Senates ethics review process, call your Seanator and ask them to change it.

 

[Septic]

R Accountability = He was gay and a political liability

He was a fraud and a thief, don't plant a flag on this hill.

Menendez will end up in jail.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I find it kind of hilarious y'all are butt hurt over Santos getting bounced.

If you don't like the Senates ethics review process, call your Seanator and ask them to change it.

I'm not a R. Just don't like the precedent for expelling without a conviction....

Santos is obviously guilty AF but that's not the legal standard here.

 

[Septic]

I'm not a R. Just don't like the precedent for expelling without a conviction....

Santos is obviously guilty AF but that's not the legal standard here.

So you don't think Menendez ought to be tossed? Your previous posts implied you thought he should be voted out because Santos was.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Why wasn't Corrine Brown expelled when she was indicted?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Or Chaka Fattah?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Why did the Rs not expel Duncan Hunter when he was indicted for the same crime (campaign finance)?

We know the reason; Hunter was straight

 

[hog88]

Senate doesn't work that way.

How does it work?

Article I, section 5 of the United States Constitution provides that "Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member."

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

So you don't think Menendez ought to be tossed? Your previous posts implied you thought he should be voted out because Santos was.

If you apply the same logic of indictment = ouster, then yes

If you apply innocent until proven guilty, then No.

I just think an indictment shouldn't = ouster

 

[Septic]

How does it work?

As you alluded, the guard rails in the Senate are much wider eg. They don't exist. My comment was figurative. The Senate doesn't bounce its own, ever.

 

[Septic]

If you apply the same logic of indictment = ouster, then yes

If you apply innocent until proven guilty, then No.

I just think an indictment shouldn't = ouster

I think circumstances and context matter.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The mental gymnastics needed to say Santos should be expelled after an indictment while giving Trump full support is impressive though...

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I think circumstances and context matter.

Aka - He wasn't straight like Duncan Hunter...

 

[hog88]

As you alluded, the guard rails in the Senate are much wider eg. They don't exist. My comment was figurative. The Senate doesn't bounce its own, ever.

The house has only expelled 2 members (post civil war) and both were expelled after conviction.

 

[CobbVol]

How does it work?

2/3 vote is needed. More importantly a scheduled vote from would be required.

 

[hog88]

The mental gymnastics needed to say Santos should be expelled after an indictment while giving Trump full support is impressive though...

100% agree. House precedent is expulsion after conviction.

 

[hog88]

2/3 vote is needed. More importantly a scheduled vote from would be required.

I know how it works, just calling out Septic and his BS.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

100% agree. House precedent is expulsion after conviction.

Essentially half the R House said Trump would be disqualified from serving in Congress...

 

[whodeycin85]

Was Santos convicted?

 

[hog88]

Essentially half the R House said Trump would be disqualified from serving in Congress...

Yep. Now they should be going on TV and supporting that position.

 

[hog88]

Was Santos convicted?

Hasn't been to trial yet.

 

[hog88]

Not a lawyer so serious question.

Could Santo's lawyers successfully argue double jeopardy in his criminal cases now that he has been punished by the government for these crimes?

 

[Septic]

I know how it works, just calling out Septic and his BS.

What BS was that you were calling out?

 

[hog88]

What BS was that you were calling out?

Senate doesn't work that way.

It works the exact same way in the Senate, the Democrats in the Senate just choose not to expel Menendez.