Georgia LB Charged with Rape

[tngivm6]

Feel free to merge.
Was listening on Sport Talk just a few seconds ago, heard something about one of Georgia’s starters is in some kind of trouble.
My AM radio signal had to much inference to make out what the host was saying
Anybody hear anything about this?

 

[BeardedVol]

Feel free to merge.
Was listening on Sport Talk just a few seconds ago, heard something about one of Georgia’s starters is in some kind of trouble.
My AM radio signal had to much inference to make out what the host was saying
Anybody hear anything about this?

Most likely referring to this:
UGA's Anderson turns self in, charged with rape

 

[tngivm6]

Yikes! That’s not a good headline there.
Highly rated player too.

 

[sjt18]

Sadly AJ is the exception and not the rule, and it isn’t close.

Maybe. But there is NO justification for assuming a guy is guilty and especially of late. Women falsely accuse men often. I'm not sure how "close" it is... but young women know that false accusations will not come back on them and can do a lot of damage to any young man (especially athletes) even if never proven. If a company finds out that a young man was accused of rape then they'll steer clear.

This is a powerful weapon and there are plenty of women willing to use it.

 

[sjt18]

Not smart on his part to even let himself get put into that situation, assuming he’s innocent and that’s a big if at the moment. If I was months away from signing a contract that gave me generational wealth, no drunk girls are coming into my house. Wouldn’t even let manti teo’s girl in.

I don't know you. But most young college guys have brought drunk women back to their place after the party. You could make the case that it isn't "smart"... but that's no reason to assume he's guilty.

 

[Atlanta917]

I don't know you. But most young college guys have brought drunk women back to their place after the party. You could make the case that it isn't "smart"... but that's no reason to assume he's guilty.

Most college guys aren’t mocked to go in the first round and sign a contract that’ll set them and their family for life. I assume it takes a ton of discipline to work towards that goal. Losing sight of it months away from the finish line seems careless.

I’m not assuming he’s guilty or innocent. I’ll wait until all the facts are out like I hope most ppl will. I’m just saying if he was innocent, it wasn’t smart to put himself in a situation like that.

 

[Dudleys87]

I’ll never understand why they continue to put themselves in these situations.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

Maybe. But there is NO justification for assuming a guy is guilty and especially of late. Women falsely accuse men often. I'm not sure how "close" it is... but young women know that false accusations will not come back on them and can do a lot of damage to any young man (especially athletes) even if never proven. If a company finds out that a young man was accused of rape then they'll steer clear.

This is a powerful weapon and there are plenty of women willing to use it.

Unfortunately this is becoming more and more common (and I’m a woman so this isn’t some kind of misogyny thing)

The Me Too movement honestly did more harm than good as it just promoted the idea that women should just automatically be believed no matter the circumstances. False accusations have become ah effective tool at revenge as well as getting free money and publicity.

It’s not just rape accusations. Look at Jussie Smollet. Our society as a whole has gotten far to used to rewarding victims for being victims, people see the money, the tv interviews, the tweets from celebrities going on a righteous crusade and they want that too. So they trump out racism or sexism or whatever ism you can think of and suddenly they get a go fund me campaign and congressmen tweeting about how America needs to stop this injustice. All without any actual vetting or evidence.

Someone can claim victimhood, and immediately they are innocent and the accused is guilty.


Is that what is happening here? I can’t say one way or the other. The fact that this has been handled mostly outside of the press and the police took time and investigated suggests that this is actually being handled right. If that’s the case then, good. The truth will
Most likely win out.

I just wish we could stop doing a trial by media and end thus need to faux victimhood. So tired of seeing so many hoaxes. The ones who suffer most are the real victims because it just makes it harder for people to believe them.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Unfortunately this is becoming more and more common (and I’m a woman so this isn’t some kind of misogyny thing)

The Me Too movement honestly did more harm than good as it just promoted the idea that women should just automatically be believed no matter the circumstances. False accusations have become ah effective tool at revenge as well as getting free money and publicity.

It’s not just rape accusations. Look at Jussie Smollet. Our society as a whole has gotten far to used to rewarding victims for being victims, people see the money, the tv interviews, the tweets from celebrities going on a righteous crusade and they want that too. So they trump out racism or sexism or whatever ism you can think of and suddenly they get a go fund me campaign and congressmen tweeting about how America needs to stop this injustice. All without any actual vetting or evidence.

Someone can claim victimhood, and immediately they are innocent and the accused is guilty.


Is that what is happening here? I can’t say one way or the other. The fact that this has been handled mostly outside of the press and the police took time and investigated suggests that this is actually being handled right. If that’s the case then, good. The truth will
Most likely win out.

I just wish we could stop doing a trial by media and end thus need to faux victimhood. So tired of seeing so many hoaxes. The ones who suffer most are the real victims because it just makes it harder for people to believe them.

This environment exists because of thousands of victims being disbelieved across generations.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Maybe. But there is NO justification for assuming a guy is guilty and especially of late. Women falsely accuse men often. I'm not sure how "close" it is... but young women know that false accusations will not come back on them and can do a lot of damage to any young man (especially athletes) even if never proven. If a company finds out that a young man was accused of rape then they'll steer clear.

This is a powerful weapon and there are plenty of women willing to use it.

“False accusations will not come back on them” bull. Plenty of women have had their names dragged through the mud, been harassed by cops and attorneys, and labeled as “crazy” or “hysterical.” Meanwhile we act like an accusation is a death knell for a man. How’s Jameis Winston doing? Ben Roethlisberger? We all remember how Kobe’s career (RIP) came to an end when he was accused of something, right?
Why is it always “the innocent need fear nothing” until the topic is sexual assault and then we flip out over our poor innocent widdle men being attacked by the legions of vicious women apparently (according to you) willing to perjure themselves just to derail someone’s career and gain nothing themselves.

 

[sjt18]

“False accusations will not come back on them” bull. Plenty of women have had their names dragged through the mud, been harassed by cops and attorneys, and labeled as “crazy” or “hysterical.” Meanwhile we act like an accusation is a death knell for a man. How’s Jameis Winston doing? Ben Roethlisberger? We all remember how Kobe’s career (RIP) came to an end when he was accused of something, right?
Why is it always “the innocent need fear nothing” until the topic is sexual assault and then we flip out over our poor innocent widdle men being attacked by the legions of vicious women apparently (according to you) willing to perjure themselves just to derail someone’s career and gain nothing themselves.

Ask AJ's accuser. She did something she regretted and then accused him of rape to make herself look better.

I never liked Kobe but his accuser didn't appear to be much better.... and may have entrapped him.

If you lie about rape then you hurt people who actually experience it. Their names should be drug through the mud if they lie. But in complete truth... do you even remember the name of AJ's accuser? Any of the others? These guys will always live with those accusations. Only a few will remember the names of the women.

And you are dealing with guys who can buy their reputation back... not guys whose lives are destroyed who aren't "special" or rich.


By NO CONCEIVABLE stretch of the imagination am I justifying rape. Violent rape IMO should be treated on par with murder.

 

[05_never_again]

Ask AJ's accuser. She did something she regretted and then accused him of rape to make herself look better.

I never liked Kobe but his accuser didn't appear to be much better.... and may have entrapped him.

If you lie about rape then you hurt people who actually experience it. Their names should be drug through the mud if they lie. But in complete truth... do you even remember the name of AJ's accuser? Any of the others?

The Kobe case was really interesting. Remember after the charges were dismissed, he said he understood why she felt like she did not consent. That's a really strange thing to say if you did not rape someone.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Ask AJ's accuser. She did something she regretted and then accused him of rape to make herself look better.

Did it make her look better?

If you lie about rape then you hurt people who actually experience it. Their names should be drug through the mud if they lie.

On this part we can agree. But plenty of people who make legitimate accusations get the same treatment (or actually worse because these things are often about who has more power/money).

But in complete truth... do you even remember the name of AJ's accuser? Any of the others?

No I don’t, and I wouldn’t know any of the accused’s names either if they weren’t famous.

In an ideal world we would manage to give both parties the benefit of the doubt in cases like this. Most folks seem incapable of having a nuanced response to anything though.

 

[sjt18]

This environment exists because of thousands of victims being disbelieved across generations.

It is far, far more complex than that. For instance, 60% of juvenile rapists were raised by a single parent mother. A violent or distant relationship with a father is predictive of rape. .

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

It is far, far more complex than that. For instance, 60% of juvenile rapists were raised by a single parent mother. A violent or distant relationship with a father is predictive of rape. .

The environment being the greater sensitivity engendered by MeToo. I didn’t mean the entire phenomenon of sexual violence across society. I’m sure many dissertations can and have been written under that heading.

 

[peaygolf]

I really hope that this isn't true.

With that being said, I would be scared to death if I were single and dating. As "open" as kids are these days with all the swipe left/right apps, I'd wear a body camera on a date.

 

[sjt18]

Did it make her look better?

Until it was proven she lied...yeah. It did. Instead of being a loose sl_t willing to have sex with two teammates of her boyfriend at the same time... she was portrayed as a victim who should be believed because "women don't lie about rape".

Do you remember her name? Do you think the average person would or that anyone knows or cares in whatever life she leads now?

On this part we can agree. But plenty of people who make legitimate accusations get the same treatment (or actually worse because these things are often about who has more power/money).
No I don’t, and I wouldn’t know any of the accused’s names either if they weren’t famous.

But they are famous and names are remembered locally even when they're not. This happens to "regular" guys who are innocent.

In an ideal world we would manage to give both parties the benefit of the doubt in cases like this. Most folks seem incapable of having a nuanced response to anything though.

It is difficult mostly because of the reactions of people who don't have the facts. People jump to conclusions and that's where most of the non-legal damage comes from to both parties. Unfortunately if the woman doesn't go immediately for medical help after rape it becomes he said vs she said.

 

[sjt18]

The Kobe case was really interesting. Remember after the charges were dismissed, he said he understood why she felt like she did not consent. That's a really strange thing to say if you did not rape someone.

I'm not so sure. Maybe he was just trying to show some "kindness" to repair his reputation? Maybe he thought they were both into "rough sex"?

There is an unfortunately wide "gray area" between some consensual sex practices and what might be considered rape. If a woman told a guy she liked to be tied up and gagged tightly then sodomized... and later decided for whatever reason that she'd like to see him in jail... what would his defense be? She could show all the marks necessary to prove rape.

 

[90 Vol]

Maybe. But there is NO justification for assuming a guy is guilty and especially of late. Women falsely accuse men often. I'm not sure how "close" it is... but young women know that false accusations will not come back on them and can do a lot of damage to any young man (especially athletes) even if never proven. If a company finds out that a young man was accused of rape then they'll steer clear.

This is a powerful weapon and there are plenty of women willing to use it.

I agree and I'm not assuming guilt or innocence at this point. Another point is that those who falsely accuse end up making it more difficult for women that have truly been abused and/or raped.

 

[HarsinVol]

Just give him a little Liberty. Trust me, Jerry would approve.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

A false rape accusation ruined this guy’s career and life. Brian Banks (American football) - Wikipedia

There is no good outcome for #19. Unfortunate.

 

[peaygolf]

A false rape accusation ruined this guy’s career and life. Brian Banks (American football) - Wikipedia

Duke LAX

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

This environment exists because of thousands of victims being disbelieved across generations.

So that makes it okay to falsely accuse someone or make up crimes for publicity????

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

So that makes it okay to falsely accuse someone or make up crimes for publicity????

Yeah that’s not at all a reasonable inference from what I wrote. The heightened sensitivity to sexual assault allegations born out of the Me Too movement, in fact the Me Too movement itself, didn’t happen because people suddenly decided they wanted to “get publicity” from false accusations. It happened because people who are victimized have been routinely gaslighted or told to just get over it by authorities and others or pressured into silence at work, etc.

False accusations are obviously reprehensible. I just don’t understand why actual victims being dismissed isn’t taken as seriously, particularly when false accusations make up less than 10% of the total.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

Yeah that’s not at all a reasonable inference from what I wrote. The heightened sensitivity to sexual assault allegations born out of the Me Too movement, in fact the Me Too movement itself, didn’t happen because people suddenly decided they wanted to “get publicity” from false accusations. It happened because people who are victimized have been routinely gaslighted or told to just get over it by authorities and others or pressured into silence at work, etc.

False accusations are obviously reprehensible. I just don’t understand why actual victims being dismissed isn’t taken as seriously, particularly when false accusations make up less than 10% of the total.

My point is that more false accusations (not just assault but hate crimes) in general are rising.

We are seeing more and more people take to social media with false accusations. I’ve lost count of the number of waiters who claim they had racist slurs written on their receipts but they turned out to be false. They all had go fund me pages too.

Then you have accusations like Chris Hardwicjk who had a vengeful ex claim abuse and assault, a so called journalist wrote her story based on exactly no evidence whatsoever. Hardwick was immediately suspended and/or fired from multiple networks and companies based solely on this one accusation. Fortunately he presented evidence that she was lying while she claimed to have her own evidence that she just happened to not produce.

This accusation was given the time of day strictly because of Me Too, it was framed as a Me Too story. This is far from the only false accusation that has come out, each time it’s an immediate consequence for the man who is given absolutely no due process. Life is ruined completely.

Shoot, the people I’m charge of Title X actually said “if male students get kicked out of schools over false accusations, it’s a small price to pay for women”

I’m otherwords, who cares if men get their lives ruined. Social Justice us what matters