Georgia LB Charged with Rape

[Woodlawn VOL]

There is a huge difference between someone accusing someone else of rape and the accused eventually being found not guilty in a trial, and a person intentionally, with malice, falsely accusing someone of rape.

If the former is able to be proven, then yes, the false accuser should face severe punishment. Surely you are not advocating for when anytime someone is found not guilty of a rape, the accuser receives some kind of punishment.

I agree and I think that is what he meant. Sometimes they can’t prove either way, but like the AJ Johnson case that woman had falsely accused before and many women said that was a set up. Like you said if proven in court you committed rape or they prove you made up and orchestrated a false race the sentence should be the same. But it should be proven that you person lied and made it up. If a persons guilty I want them charged, and if a person knowingly falsely accuses of person of any crime they should be go to jail for that crime. That would stop that, and it does happen.

 

[05_never_again]

I'm not so sure. Maybe he was just trying to show some "kindness" to repair his reputation? Maybe he thought they were both into "rough sex"?

There is an unfortunately wide "gray area" between some consensual sex practices and what might be considered rape. If a woman told a guy she liked to be tied up and gagged tightly then sodomized... and later decided for whatever reason that she'd like to see him in jail... what would his defense be? She could show all the marks necessary to prove rape.

Well, if Kobe just assumed she was into it that's still a major F up on his part.

The anecdote you just gave about meeting someone for a hookup and tying them up because they said they were into it is just reason #1 (and about the only reason needed) to just never engage in something like that with a hookup. Because as you said, it could be totally consensual then later she decides there was something she didn't like about it and you're screwed.

 

[sjt18]

Well, if Kobe just assumed she was into it that's still a major F up on his part.

I would say it is a lot easier for you to say that from where you sit than for him to "know" it based on how she behaved.

I think the whole deal is sick. He had a wife and family. What kind of scum was he to betray them? But I would say MOST guys have misread signs. And if they locked up every guy who "did" something that the girl really didn't want to do... they'd have to turn the state of Texas into a penal colony to hold the "rapists".

The anecdote you just gave about meeting someone for a hookup and tying them up because they said they were into it is just reason #1 (and about the only reason needed) to just never engage in something like that with a hookup. Because as you said, it could be totally consensual then later she decides there was something she didn't like about it and you're screwed.

I don't approve of the behavior. But it isn't illegal. A false accusation after the fact shouldn't make a guy a criminal.

 

[05_never_again]

I would say it is a lot easier for you to say that from where you sit than for him to "know" it based on how she behaved.

I think the whole deal is sick. He had a wife and family. What kind of scum was he to betray them? But I would say MOST guys have misread signs. And if they locked up every guy who "did" something that the girl really didn't want to do... they'd have to turn the state of Texas into a penal colony to hold the "rapists".


I don't approve of the behavior. But it isn't illegal. A false accusation after the fact shouldn't make a guy a criminal.

"But it isn't illegal" isn't really the best rationale for engaging in some kind of behavior. It seems prudent to avoid behavior that isn't illegal but could very easily be made to look illegal. Particularly if you are in a position with a lot to lose, and particularly in an environment like today where it is trendy and fashionable to "get" somebody for doing so, even if they did nothing illegal.

Just look at this latest story with Portnoy. I don't think anything illegal was described in these instances, but they guy has a lot of enemies in the media, and he routinely engaged in behavior that can easily be made to look a certain way. It just isn't smart.

 

[Atlanta917]

Yeah that’s not at all a reasonable inference from what I wrote. The heightened sensitivity to sexual assault allegations born out of the Me Too movement, in fact the Me Too movement itself, didn’t happen because people suddenly decided they wanted to “get publicity” from false accusations. It happened because people who are victimized have been routinely gaslighted or told to just get over it by authorities and others or pressured into silence at work, etc.

False accusations are obviously reprehensible. I just don’t understand why actual victims being dismissed isn’t taken as seriously, particularly when false accusations make up less than 10% of the total.

It’s impossible to know the actual percentage. While it is a somewhat rare occurrence, I’d say the reason it’s such a big issue is because nothing happens to the accuser who makes the false claim. The girl who falsely accused Brian Banks got 2 million and no jail time for her false accusation. Not to mention ppl who have been falsely convicted have spent decades behind bars only to get a small settlement and an oopsy from the state once they realized their mistake.

 

[zjcvols]

Maybe. But there is NO justification for assuming a guy is guilty and especially of late. Women falsely accuse men often. I'm not sure how "close" it is... but young women know that false accusations will not come back on them and can do a lot of damage to any young man (especially athletes) even if never proven. If a company finds out that a young man was accused of rape then they'll steer clear.

This is a powerful weapon and there are plenty of women willing to use it.

This is statistically false and a big reason why men/women don’t report rape. You’re talking around 5-8% are “false reports” and that number would be significantly lower if more people reported rape.

https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

 

[zjcvols]

Well, if Kobe just assumed she was into it that's still a major F up on his part.

The anecdote you just gave about meeting someone for a hookup and tying them up because they said they were into it is just reason #1 (and about the only reason needed) to just never engage in something like that with a hookup. Because as you said, it could be totally consensual then later she decides there was something she didn't like about it and you're screwed.

Basically the story (and Kobe basically admitted this with the settlement) is she was fine having sex, Kobe got way too rough and did things she didn’t consent too.

 

[zjcvols]

The AJ Johnson was a very rare, horrible thing and AJ was unfairly accused. That is NOT a common situation.

 

[05_never_again]

Basically the story (and Kobe basically admitted this with the settlement) is she was fine having sex, Kobe got way too rough and did things she didn’t consent too.

Kobe is lucky that whole thing occurred when it did. If he was playing today, there's a good chance he never plays another NBA game and everything he ended up doing after 2002 never happens. He had bad press until the charges were dropped, and then the media allowed him to continue on with his career like nothing ever happened.

 

[zjcvols]

Kobe is lucky that whole thing occurred when it did. If he was playing today, there's a good chance he never plays another NBA game and everything he ended up doing after 2002 never happens. He had bad press until the charges were dropped, and then the media allowed him to continue on with his career like nothing ever happened.

Oh trust me, the Kobe thing pisses me off. He basically admitted to sexual assault and nobody ever brought it up because it was taboo to talk about in the mid 2000’s. Then he became enough of a legend for people to sweep it under the rug AND made a lot of friends in the media for them to never bring it up again.

What Ray Rice did was heinous, but I remember the talking heads saying he should never play again compared to those same talking heads mentioning how much they love Kobe Bryant.

 

[05_never_again]

Oh trust me, the Kobe thing pisses me off. He basically admitted to sexual assault and nobody ever brought it up because it was taboo to talk about in the mid 2000’s. Then he became enough of a legend for people to sweep it under the rug AND made a lot of friends in the media for them to never bring it up again.

What Ray Rice did was heinous, but I remember the talking heads saying he should never play again compared to those same talking heads mentioning how much they love Kobe Bryant.

...and the Ray Rice thing did not explode until the security cam video was released. All the video did was confirm the exact description of what had been reported...he knocked his wife out cold and dragged her body out of the elevator.

I never understood (well, I guess I do - seeing has more of an impact than reading) what is was about seeing it on video that made people think "you know, he should never play again." I guess if there was footage of Michael Vick killing the dogs, he wouldn't have played again either.

 

[zjcvols]

...and the Ray Rice thing did not explode until the security cam video was released. All the video did was confirm the exact description of what had been reported...he knocked his wife out cold and dragged her body out of the elevator.

I never understood (well, I guess I do - seeing has more of an impact than reading) what is was about seeing it on video that made people think "you know, he should never play again." I guess if there was footage of Michael Vick killing the dogs, he wouldn't have played again either.

Well the NFL also lied about the video so that didn’t help.

I mean that is how we are, visual people. Like if you hear somebody got on a car crash you think oh that sucks are you okay and they go yes, then you see the car is mashed in like a hot wheel and your concern/shock goes way up.

 

[05_never_again]

Well the NFL also lied about the video so that didn’t help.

I mean that is how we are, visual people. Like if you hear somebody got on a car crash you think oh that sucks are you okay and they go yes, then you see the car is mashed in like a hot wheel and your concern/shock goes way up.

Yes, but as an administrative body it really shouldn't change how you respond to it as far as a punishment. It just makes you look weak and purely reacting to whatever public opinion is, which is of course exactly what the NFL does.

 

[buckfama]

I wonder if they hire a translator for the sheep or do the police in Athens keep one on staff?

 

[TNnative]

We recently had our one of our own have to battle similar accusations. Remember AJ Johnson? It was only six years ago. Took him three years of his life to finally receive an acquittal.

Yeah I remember it. And during a good chunk of it, he was working a couple of miles from where I was. I will say this: Maybe he was guilty, maybe he wasn't. Guess the courts finally had their say on it, and I will accept that. However, no matter the legal outcome, a bunch of lives got screwed up over that. Gonna second a few other sentiments; Be smart about this sort of thing. There are plenty of women out there who will say yes. Figure out what the N and the O means.

 

[TNnative]

Made me think of a Spurrier comment when he was at SC. Asked if he liked having to play GA the 2nd game of the season and he said: "I like it because they usually have 3-4 starters still suspended from getting arrested during the summer". Vols were in that situation some to during Fulmer's time.

Especially his last two years.