Georgia OC

[VolInNW]

That right there explains the angst of the UT fan who consisrltantly bashes UGA as they thump the East year after year. Some on here are fair and objective in their assessment, but the rabidly anti-UGA contingent will never acknowledge that UGA is the better program right now. Less with more, blahblahblah, 1980, blahblahblah....it all boils down to this: it hurts their feelings that more of the better talent chose to play at their rivals school, and it places a big obstacle in UT's path back to relevance.

Actually, no. I simply detest uga largely because of the amazingly obnoxious fan base that constantly attacks every other program and requires endless affirmation that uga is the bestest ever.

Tennessee could beat uga 70-0 and go on to win the NC and it wouldn't affect my distaste for uga at all.

As I have said, my dislike for Bama and UF is based in respect. My dislike for uga is not.

You seem ok. You're the rare exception. Most uga fans I have met are simply insufferable.

It's as simple as that.

 

[OklahomaDawg]

1998 TN defense is still the fastest defense I’ve ever seen live, insane the speed on that defense. Al Wilson was a missle.

Yalls D was dang good that year. Lucky for us we may have a similar formula. We return 8 starters from the #1 SEC statistical defense. We’ll see. That’s why they play the games.

Oh, and would’ve liked to see Michael Bishop and that K-State O against yalls D that year.

 

[landscapingvol]

This guy just got fired because he couldn’t get an all star O even to .500. Cmon man

Per Georgia fans he didn’t call plays or coach Baker Mayfield, apparently he gets credit for Mike Gundy’s offense even though they were great long before he arrived, Jameis Winston’s irrelevant 4th quarter stats (he did it again this year without him), and one year at Southern Miss. They gloss over the fact that he seems unable to call running plays per his stats at numerous stops, had nothing to do with implementing the air raid at OSU, Southern Miss has been much better without him, and a first year head coach didn’t trust him to call plays per Georgia fans own logic. When a coach resorts to trying to catch lightning in a bottle, like LSU and Joe Burrow, he has officially run out of ideas. He has three five star qb’s on the roster, couldn’t improve them based off his own actions of three coordinators in three years, and decides the best idea is to go the transfer route with an NFL coach. Nearly every other program realizes that what LSU did is nearly impossible to duplicate except Kirby Smart. I can’t think of a better indictment of his or Georgia fans intelligence. Coaches and players come/go but great coaches know that you build a program through player development and somewhat of an idea of what you are going to do on offense. What is Georgia’s offensive identity? Pro style, with a power running game? No, that didn’t work so you let Chaney go and replace him with James Coley. Not really sure what he tried to run neither was he or Smart. Couldn’t settle on a qb so you bench Eason for Fromm even though both had the same skill sets. You had one of the top, if not the top dual threat qb in the nation, in Fields but you didn’t realize that you were going to change offensive schemes even though you had already signed other dual threat qbs? Now, you sign another dual threat qb but hire an “air raid” offense coach with a qb who has never played or possesses the skills to play in an air raid style offense? This isn’t some stroke of genius by Kirby Smart, it’s another example of him grasping at straws. When this fails, I guess he can move to the option or single wing.

 

[Stygian]

Just enjoy Mark Richt 2.0

ironic coming from a UT fan as it was Richt that ended UT’s relevance 20 years ago from which you still haven’t recovered.

 

[landscapingvol]

Kitchens called the plays for Cleveland leaving Browns fans livid. Why would you hire the guy who had the #1 NFL offense in 2018 and not let him call plays?

Apart from NFL success, extremely successful in college. Oklahoma State’s rise in offense came from Monken. Avg more than 45 ppg each year, 49.8 being the high.

Took a winless Southern Miss team to 9 wins in just 3 seasons. Before he got there, they avg 19 ppg and avg 39.9 the year he left for NFL. This is the stats for his QB/2 RB/3 WR

Nick Mullens- 331/521 63.5% 4476yds 38TD/12INT

Jalen Richard- 185 carries/1098 yds 5.9ypa 14TD; 30 Rec/ 284 yds 2TDs

Ito Smith- 171 carries/1128 yds 6.6ypa
10TDS; 49 rec/ 515yds 3TDs

Michael Thomas- 71 rec/ 1391 yds
19.6 ypc 14TDs

Casey Martin- 80 rec/ 925 yds 11.6 ypc 7TDs

DJ Thompson- 55 rec/ 779 yds 14.2 ypc 6TDs

The number one offense in the NFL was an illusion, most of Tampa Bay’s “greatness” came in meaningless moments much like Dallas this year. I am cursed with being a Tampa and Falcons fan. They could not move the ball against good defenses neither could Dallas yet they led the league in total offense this season as well. Tampa is unlikely to sign Winston to a long term deal, that’s not a secret by any stretch and Dallas fired Garret. You completely just made up the OSU stats. OSU had the number three offense in the nation the year before he arrived and has averaged a top 20 offense nearly every year Mike Gundy has been there including number two in 2017 and number ten in 2018. Was that the Todd Monken effect as well? Tampa led the league in passing this season without Monken. Why would Cleveland hire Monken and not let him call plays? Especially on a completely inept offense? Either he isn’t that great of a coach, Kitchens didn’t trust him, or his play calling wasn’t trusted by the players. I can assure you if he were the genius UGA fans claim then Mayfield would have told the World. He can’t shut his mouth. Southern Miss is a much better program now than under Monken. This article sums up Todd Monken very well at Tampa and Cleveland, there is a reason he is at UGA now.

Cleveland Browns: Baker Mayfield held back by OC Todd Monken?

 

[VolInNW]

ironic coming from a UT fan as it was Richt that ended UT’s relevance 20 years ago from which you still haven’t recovered.

Wow. You’re just an all round Richard, aren’t you?

 

[GAVol]

ironic coming from a UT fan as it was Richt that ended UT’s relevance 20 years ago from which you still haven’t recovered.

We had just won 9 in a row. There was nowhere for you guys to go but up.

 

[GoVols15]

Wasn’t me. Coley has never coordinated a good offense. I preferred Chaney. Coley was picked because of recruiting only.

I do remember UT fans laughing at us for hiring Chaney. We were told he would never run the ball.

Georgia fans! Every year the same OLD story, just different names, since 1980!

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Certainly closer to being their year than being our year

No

 

[Stygian]

We had just won 9 in a row. There was nowhere for you guys to go but up.

It’s not a matter of only head to head results. Richt, the coach used as a insult, changed the landscape that had direct impact on UT changing from an elite power to a program that hasn’t appeared in a significant bowl game in over 20 years.

The point is I wouldn’t be quick to use Richt as an insult.

 

[GAVol]

It’s not a matter of only head to head results. Richt, the coach used as a insult, changed the landscape that had direct impact on UT changing from an elite power to a program that hasn’t appeared in a significant bowl game in over 20 years.

The point is I wouldn’t be quick to use Richt as an insult.

I know. You're mostly right.

Honestly, I always liked Richt. I think he should've been at UGA for as long as he wanted to be. Our beating him in 2015 is probably part of what did him in.

 

[Stygian]

I know. You're mostly right.

Honestly, I always liked Richt. I think he should've been at UGA for as long as he wanted to be. Our beating him in 2015 is probably part of what did him in.

At the time I thought UGA was making a mistake when Richt was fired. Often programs make changes with coaching staff much to easy thinking the grass is greener.

I do think it worked out ok for UGA, but to be fair to Richt he was never given the $$$ Smart has been given. People say the game passed Richt, when in reality the game passed the program. Richt was playing with one hand tied behind his back the 2nd half of his tenure. UGA was not keeping up with facility’s, recruiting budget, assist coaching budget ect.
To smarts credit he has sold the money men on what actually has to be done to build a top 5 program.

 

[Atlanta917]

Per Georgia fans he didn’t call plays or coach Baker Mayfield, apparently he gets credit for Mike Gundy’s offense even though they were great long before he arrived, Jameis Winston’s irrelevant 4th quarter stats (he did it again this year without him), and one year at Southern Miss. They gloss over the fact that he seems unable to call running plays per his stats at numerous stops, had nothing to do with implementing the air raid at OSU, Southern Miss has been much better without him, and a first year head coach didn’t trust him to call plays per Georgia fans own logic. When a coach resorts to trying to catch lightning in a bottle, like LSU and Joe Burrow, he has officially run out of ideas. He has three five star qb’s on the roster, couldn’t improve them based off his own actions of three coordinators in three years, and decides the best idea is to go the transfer route with an NFL coach. Nearly every other program realizes that what LSU did is nearly impossible to duplicate except Kirby Smart. I can’t think of a better indictment of his or Georgia fans intelligence. Coaches and players come/go but great coaches know that you build a program through player development and somewhat of an idea of what you are going to do on offense. What is Georgia’s offensive identity? Pro style, with a power running game? No, that didn’t work so you let Chaney go and replace him with James Coley. Not really sure what he tried to run neither was he or Smart. Couldn’t settle on a qb so you bench Eason for Fromm even though both had the same skill sets. You had one of the top, if not the top dual threat qb in the nation, in Fields but you didn’t realize that you were going to change offensive schemes even though you had already signed other dual threat qbs? Now, you sign another dual threat qb but hire an “air raid” offense coach with a qb who has never played or possesses the skills to play in an air raid style offense? This isn’t some stroke of genius by Kirby Smart, it’s another example of him grasping at straws. When this fails, I guess he can move to the option or single wing.

UGA didn’t bench Eason, he got hurt and Fromm took over and led the team to the playoffs. At what point would you have benched the QB who went 8-5 the year prior for the one who was undefeated and leading the team to the playoffs? There was never an issue of being indecisive on a QB. They made the right call to ride Fromm over Eason, then the safe call to stick with Fromm. Worked out the first time, then didn’t the second.

 

[landscapingvol]

UGA didn’t bench Eason, he got hurt and Fromm took over and led the team to the playoffs. At what point would you have benched the QB who went 8-5 the year prior for the one who was undefeated and leading the team to the playoffs? There was never an issue of being indecisive on a QB. They made the right call to ride Fromm over Eason, then the safe call to stick with Fromm. Worked out the first time, then didn’t the second.

That’s a fair point but here you are relying on a graduate transfer with very little foresight or plan for the future again. He is a one year bandaid with clearly no one on the roster you trust or you wouldn’t be looking to a quick fix. My point being that had three five star qbs on the roster, one being a dual threat qb with other similar qbs on the roster, yet you stick with an underperforming pro style and sign a one year dual threat grad transfer in the signing class? Clearly, they were wanting to have a qb who was mobile yet you let the best one in the nation walk and replace him with a one year desperation move. Then, you hire a pass heavy coordinator for a qb who isn’t a great passer? A drop back, pro style qb who can sling the ball around the field is needed for an “air raid” offense. None of these moves make sense from a scheme or logic perspective. He is trying to replicate what LSU achieved which will probably never happen again in our lifetime and was a unique situation.

 

[TGFHeupel16]

Georgia has hired NFL OC Todd Monken as their new OC I hate it but this could be another Joe Brady type hire

Your right. I was Happy when I hears his name pop up on our list. Not that I’m unhappy with Chayney.

 

[Atlanta917]

That’s a fair point but here you are relying on a graduate transfer with very little foresight or plan for the future again. He is a one year bandaid with clearly no one on the roster you trust or you wouldn’t be looking to a quick fix. My point being that had three five star qbs on the roster, one being a dual threat qb with other similar qbs on the roster, yet you stick with an underperforming pro style and sign a one year dual threat grad transfer in the signing class? Clearly, they were wanting to have a qb who was mobile yet you let the best one in the nation walk and replace him with a one year desperation move. Then, you hire a pass heavy coordinator for a qb who isn’t a great passer? A drop back, pro style qb who can sling the ball around the field is needed for an “air raid” offense. None of these moves make sense from a scheme or logic perspective. He is trying to replicate what LSU achieved which will probably never happen again in our lifetime and was a unique situation.

I honestly have no clue how Newman will work out. Honestly Brice would probably fit Monken’s offense better, but I do think Newman has a higher ceiling. I like the monken hire since UGA needed to evolve their offense if they every wanted to get over the hump. Anyway, just wanted to address the Eason part. Fromm did better than Eason, then Chaney/Smart chose to ride the sure thing over the guy with a higher ceiling/more potential. I get it, but it is frustrating in hindsight.

 

[landscapingvol]

I honestly have no clue how Newman will work out. Honestly Brice would probably fit Monken’s offense better, but I do think Newman has a higher ceiling. I like the monken hire since UGA needed to evolve their offense if they every wanted to get over the hump. Anyway, just wanted to address the Eason part. Fromm did better than Eason, then Chaney/Smart chose to ride the sure thing over the guy with a higher ceiling/more potential. I get it, but it is frustrating in hindsight.

Don’t get me wrong, I envy your problems but from an outside perspective it appears that Smart is indecisive on that side of the ball. If this hire fails, will it be four coordinators in 4-5 years? Eventually, it will trickle down to other coaches and recruits

 

[Atlanta917]

Don’t get me wrong, I envy your problems but from an outside perspective it appears that Smart is indecisive on that side of the ball. If this hire fails, will it be four coordinators in 4-5 years? Eventually, it will trickle down to other coaches and recruits

Hopefully he learned that bully ball doesn’t work. Now I guess we’ll see if the offense was bad due to Coley or Smart meddling. To be fair it could’ve been a bit of both.

 

[90 Vol]

That right there explains the angst of the UT fan who consisrltantly bashes UGA as they thump the East year after year. Some on here are fair and objective in their assessment, but the rabidly anti-UGA contingent will never acknowledge that UGA is the better program right now. Less with more, blahblahblah, 1980, blahblahblah....it all boils down to this: it hurts their feelings that more of the better talent chose to play at their rivals school, and it places a big obstacle in UT's path back to relevance.

I can't speak for the entire anti-UGA contingent but I detest Georgia simply because they're Georgia.

 

[VolInNW]

I can't speak for the entire anti-UGA contingent but I detest Georgia simply because they're Georgia.

Dead on.

Mike. Freaking. Drop.

Got it?

 

[GVF]

I know. You're mostly right.

Honestly, I always liked Richt. I think he should've been at UGA for as long as he wanted to be. Our beating him in 2015 is probably part of what did him in.

Ditto. My dad worked for UGA his entire career. Outside of UT, I was a GA fan mostly because of him, and they put food on our table. He would have left on his terms not too long after they canned him anyway. I thought what they did was total disrespect to him. Dad had an opportunity to meet him and a short conversation. Dad never passed up a chance to talk to someone. Has an autographed GA tie from Richt. Outside Jimmy Carter, Richt was probably his favorite public figure. Jimmy Carter, if asked who is the world's foremost person in peanut science, would quickly throw my dads name up.

 

[GVF]

I honestly have no clue how Newman will work out. Honestly Brice would probably fit Monken’s offense better, but I do think Newman has a higher ceiling. I like the monken hire since UGA needed to evolve their offense if they every wanted to get over the hump. Anyway, just wanted to address the Eason part. Fromm did better than Eason, then Chaney/Smart chose to ride the sure thing over the guy with a higher ceiling/more potential. I get it, but it is frustrating in hindsight.

He did good enough to keep Eason on the sideline after recovering from injury. But, had he been given the opportunity to get his job back, Fromm wouldn't have seen the field. IMO Eason is better than Fromm, and Fromm was good enough to stay on the field. But, Eason was Richt's recruit so that opportunity wasn't going to happen.

Bottom line, Kirby whiffed on holding on to two top national QB's. Then again in any program with those 3 on the roster, two are leaving as soon as a starter is declared. Too much talent to watch from the sidelines.

 

[GAVol]

He did good enough to keep Eason on the sideline after recovering from injury. But, had he been given the opportunity to get his job back, Fromm wouldn't have seen the field. IMO Eason is better than Fromm, and Fromm was good enough to stay on the field. But, Eason was Richt's recruit so that opportunity wasn't going to happen.

Smart was a little bit stuck since Fromm was undefeated when Eason was cleared to play, but it always felt like Eason was physically better.

 

[GVF]

Smart was a little bit stuck since Fromm was undefeated when Eason was cleared to play, but it always felt like Eason was physically better.

No doubt. Smart was in a pickle on that one. It wouldn't have been a popular decision at the time, but I think with the roster GA had, he might have had that title with Eason, and all would have been forgotten. Easons stats would have been totally different with the weapons at UGA than UW.

We will see on draft day how they are evaluated. Both are declared. Physical development/size and arm strength and ability to hit all passes should put Eason near the top of the QB's in this draft.

 

[GVF]

Smart was a little bit stuck since Fromm was undefeated when Eason was cleared to play, but it always felt like Eason was physically better.

I kinda see Fromm as this years Tebow. Great college QB. Don't see much in the pros for him. But, I'm not a scout or talent evaluator.