Ghislaine Maxwell

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lukeneyland said:
So far there is pretty Damning evidence for Andrew and Clinton. Dershowitz is also in muddy waters. To my knowledge there's been no credible accusations against Trump in relation to Epstein's peddo ring. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Bush's or John Podesta implicated
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As much as I hate to help out Slick Willy I do not believe any accusers have implicated him. I’m sure he got he freak on in that group but no under age girls have come forward that I know of.

Prince Andrew is toast however.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
As much as I hate to help out Slick Willy I do not believe any accusers have implicated him. I’m sure he got he freak on in that group but no under age girls have come forward that I know of.

Prince Andrew is toast however.
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If both Trump and Clinton are involved in any way, that would be a good thing for Trump. Clinton was close to GM, and slick willy is always innocent.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The more tangible connection is Stone as go between to wikileaks. Stone was in direct contact with Assange and Trump at the same time. In fact, Trump was told in advance, and encouraged, attacks on Clinton by them.

Add that to Trump's intransigence on release of financial records, various ties to Russian-influenced banks...

This isn't hard to figure out.
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I wasn’t really paying much attention to those leaked emails at the time but I find it funny that everyone gets up in arms about the leaking of those emails but not the content of them. Yet, you are perfectly fine when someone records the POTUS without his knowledge or leaks information from meetings with foreign leaders all in an effort to get Trump.
 
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Epstein floodgates open as judge rules explosive docs detailing Ghislaine Maxwell's sex life in Virginia Giuffre's defamation case be UNSEALED within a week

A judge today has ordered the unsealing of a vast tranche of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein, which could shed light on his friendship with powerful men accused of having sex with his victims.

Judge Loretta Preska said that 80 documents - which will run to hundreds of pages - should be made public within a week.

The documents will include depositions from Ghislaine Maxwell, which could explain her alleged role in Epstein’s sex trafficking operation.

The papers include flight logs from Epstein's private jets, a deposition testimony in 2016 in which Maxwell's lawyers said she was asked 'intrusive' questions about her sex life and police reports from Palm Beach, Florida, where Epstein had a home.

They will also include communications between Maxwell and Epstein from January 2015 when Virginia Roberts made explosive allegations about them in court papers.

The case is separate from the criminal proceedings against Maxwell, 58, who is accused by federal prosecutors of procuring girls as young as 14 for Epstein to abuse. She has pleaded not guilty and is due to stand trial next year.

Epstein floodgates open as judge rules explosive Ghislaine Maxwell docs be unsealed | Daily Mail Online
 
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I think he said it so when shes suicided people will know it wasnt his idea.

Or maybe he said it so the news can say "look, trump purposely said it because he knew she wasn't safe". Then he can turn around and say, ok lets have a full investigation and get to the bottom of it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
As much as I hate to help out Slick Willy I do not believe any accusers have implicated him. I’m sure he got he freak on in that group but no under age girls have come forward that I know of.

Prince Andrew is toast however.
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There have not been any accusations made, but his name pops up on Epstein's private Jet's flight log a freaky amount of times. Clinton has grossly understated the amount of trips they made together a while ago as well which seems to indicate something. I think the flight longs actually might carry more weight than a single accusation in some ways ( probably not legally) . It's hard for him to discredit simple recorded facts such as that
 
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lawgator1 said:
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True. But when he goes nuts on people it's usaully calculated to get a reaction from his supporters. He rightly estimates that calling for Clinton's head is music to our ears. He does speak in platitudes a lot. I'm not saying I couldn't be convinced with more evidence though. I just don't think that him being involved is the most likely thing based on the information we have currently. Not to make this any more partisan than it already is but Biden has a pretty sordid history of groping young girls. If something credible implicates Trump in this I'll be right there with you in calling for his head.
 
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lukeneyland said:
True. But when he goes nuts on people it's usaully calculated to get a reaction from his supporters. He rightly estimates that calling for Clinton's head is music to our ears. He does speak in platitudes a lot. I'm not saying I couldn't be convinced with more evidence though. I just don't think that him being involved is the most likely thing based on the information we have currently. Not to make this any more partisan than it already is but Biden has a pretty sordid history of groping young girls. If something credible implicates Trump in this I'll be right there with you in calling for his head.
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First, I am not aware of evidence that Biden has "groped young girls." There is a big difference between some public momentary display of affection at a bill singing versus Trump's "grab 'em by the p***y" attitude. Trump's is far, far, really infinitely worse than Biden's. Plus we know for a fact that Trump has cheated on his wife with other women then paid them off, then tried to hide it.

Second, I doubt that this involved any American politician. Not Clinton. Not Trump, either.

Third, in accord with your comment, yes, the point of my post was to illustrate Trump's ... shall we say "flexible" standard for right and wrong, depending on whether you are good for him or bad.

At the end of the day, that may be the biggest of his many character flaws: he has no empathy or true sense of self or introspection. He views everyone around him as a means to his own ends. He has no genuine affection for anyone. For all his claims about loyalty, it is a one way street with him. You are loyal to him or he punishes you. He is loyal to you, until there is an advantage to him not to be.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, I am not aware of evidence that Biden has "groped young girls." There is a big difference between some public momentary display of affection at a bill singing versus Trump's "grab 'em by the p***y" attitude. Trump's is far, far, really infinitely worse than Biden's. Plus we know for a fact that Trump has cheated on his wife with other women then paid them off, then tried to hide it.

Second, I doubt that this involved any American politician. Not Clinton. Not Trump, either.

Third, in accord with your comment, yes, the point of my post was to illustrate Trump's ... shall we say "flexible" standard for right and wrong, depending on whether you are good for him or bad.

At the end of the day, that may be the biggest of his many character flaws: he has no empathy or true sense of self or introspection. He views everyone around him as a means to his own ends. He has no genuine affection for anyone. For all his claims about loyalty, it is a one way street with him. You are loyal to him or he punishes you. He is loyal to you, until there is an advantage to him not to be.
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Sounds like someone got unfriended on twitter.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, I am not aware of evidence that Biden has "groped young girls." There is a big difference between some public momentary display of affection at a bill singing versus Trump's "grab 'em by the p***y" attitude. Trump's is far, far, really infinitely worse than Biden's. Plus we know for a fact that Trump has cheated on his wife with other women then paid them off, then tried to hide it.

Second, I doubt that this involved any American politician. Not Clinton. Not Trump, either.

Third, in accord with your comment, yes, the point of my post was to illustrate Trump's ... shall we say "flexible" standard for right and wrong, depending on whether you are good for him or bad.

At the end of the day, that may be the biggest of his many character flaws: he has no empathy or true sense of self or introspection. He views everyone around him as a means to his own ends. He has no genuine affection for anyone. For all his claims about loyalty, it is a one way street with him. You are loyal to him or he punishes you. He is loyal to you, until there is an advantage to him not to be.
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There's some pretty creepy videos of him touching young girls inappropriately in the recesses of YouTube if you care to verify. Also there's an allegation of some sort sexual misbehavior made against him, I'm not sure how credible it is or isn't though. I would disagree with you on who's attitudes worse. As long as Trump's misbehavior is confined to consenting adults I'm not that bothered. I don't approve it necessarily but I don't think there's such thing as a moral politician these days. You don't think Clinton's numerous trips on Epstein's private Jet is a little damning? Also I meant to reply to Durden but I misclicked, I was responding to his "one is not like the other" post.
 
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lukeneyland said:
There's some pretty creepy videos of him touching young girls inappropriately in the recesses of YouTube if you care to verify. Also there's an allegation of some sort sexual misbehavior made against him, I'm not sure how credible it is or isn't though. I would disagree with you on who's attitudes worse. As long as Trump's misbehavior is confined to consenting adults I'm not that bothered. I don't approve it necessarily but I don't think there's such thing as a moral politician these days. You don't think Clinton's numerous trips on Epstein's private Jet is a little damning? Also I meant to reply to Durden but I misclicked, I was responding to his "one is not like the other" post.
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There are some pretty creepy allegations regarding Trump and his pageants. Allegations, he all but confirmed on a Stern interview.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
There are some pretty creepy allegations regarding Trump and his pageants. Allegations, he all but confirmed on a Stern interview.
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I remember. Not a good look at all. Doesn't quite rise to the level of groping pre teens or Clinton's visit to Epstein's rape layer, but I am and have been unsettled by those allegations. I wish our country was collectively smart enough to elect Rand Paul or someone of that ilk
 
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lukeneyland said:
I remember. Not a good look at all. Doesn't quite rise to the level of groping pre teens or Clinton's visit to Epstein's rape layer, but I am and have been unsettled by those allegations. I wish our country was collectively smart enough to elect Rand Paul or someone of that ilk
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For one thing, Donald Trump has been accused of rape by a woman named Elizabeth Jean Carroll, who is an American journalist and advice columnist. She wrote a column which appeared in "Elle" magazine from 1993 until 2019. In June of 2019, Carroll accused Donald Trump of assaulting her in 1996. Her claims are very specific to time and place. Carroll says that this assault took place in a Bergdorf Goodman store in NYC. Carroll also says that she told two friends about the incident just after it happened. Those two friends have confirmed through multiple media outlets that Carroll did relay this allegation to them, in 1996. Upon hearing this allegation, Trump immediately denied having ever met Elizabeth Jean Carroll. However, Carroll then immediately produced a photograph taken in 1987 which showed Donald and Ivana Trump alongside Elizabeth Jean Carroll and her then-husband.

The accusation you are describing concerns Trump's boasting on the Howard Stern Show that he walked into the dressing room of one his pageants for the purpose of seeing young naked girls. Multiple contestants have stated that they did see Trump in their dressing room while they were changing their clothes and were upset by his presence there. Trump laughed it off on Stern's show as if it was something innocent. Trump also claimed that he was allowed to be in there while they were undressing because he owned the pageant. Trump was in his 50's at the time. Does it get much more perverse than that?

Finally, many of Epstein's crimes did take place at his Manhattan residence where Donald Trump was a frequent guest. The videos I'm sure you have seen of Trump and Epstein gawking at young girls were taken at the Epstein Manhattan mansion.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Or he just really wants to not be president anymore and is as confused as the rest of is why people won’t stop supporting him.
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Bingo! I've been saying for a while that he's throwing the election. He's said some crazy stuff in the past but now he's just blatantly taking a dive. He's got his built in excuse (Covid, Fauci, etc) and he's ready to move on to his next venture.

Shortly after he loses the election he'll announce his new TV network and he'll pull in the 25-30% of the people that would support him even if he ate a baby giraffe on live TV.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Bingo! I've been saying for a while that he's throwing the election. He's said some crazy stuff in the past but now he's just blatantly taking a dive. He's got his built in excuse (Covid, Fauci, etc) and he's ready to move on to his next venture.

Shortly after he loses the election he'll announce his new TV network and he'll pull in the 25-30% of the people that would support him even if he ate a baby giraffe on live TV.
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Possible.
 
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lukeneyland said:
I remember. Not a good look at all. Doesn't quite rise to the level of groping pre teens or Clinton's visit to Epstein's rape layer, but I am and have been unsettled by those allegations. I wish our country was collectively smart enough to elect Rand Paul or someone of that ilk
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Being a little handsy vs. oogling at nude teens?
 
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