Gillispie in the news again

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Lulu said:
Depends on who you are, I guess. There are things that are disgusting and morally reprehensible, and if you have ever been on the receiving end of infidelity you would probably say Pitino's deed is worse. If on the other hand, one of your family members was killed by a drunk driver, then what BG did is worse. Perspective is everything.
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Redlegs said:
I don't think you dismiss bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Pitino's sin was against his family and his marriage. Billy G could have killed somebody. Personally, if I'm driving my family down the road, I'd sure as heck would rather see Rick Pitino driving in the other lane than Billy Gillispie. Especially at night.
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+2

"Everyone's perception of reality is different."
 
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I think its poor judgment on both of their parts obviously, but I'd say, it kinda sorta looks worse for Pitino considering he's still employed. I dont know, its a toss up and I agree with yall. Its all a matter of perception.
 
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Redlegs said:
Given the history with Kentucky and Eddie Sutton, I'm shocked the Cats went down that road in the first place. You're going to give a guy, with a history of sipping the bottle, the keys to a storied program like Kentucky basketball? Shame on Mitch Barnhart.
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Billy didn't get fired because he drinks. He didn't get fired because he kicked a female reporter in the hoo-haa or hit on a recruit's girlfriend or otherwise displayed a lack of Christian virtue. He got fired because his teams weren't very good.

Eddie didn't get fired because he drinks. Eddie got fired because UK landed in the slammer under his watch. My semi-educated opinion is that UK fans and administrators don't care what their coaches do off the court or on the road or in the bedroom, so long as they win. Billy didn't. Eddie couldn't anymore.

Lulu said:
Depends on who you are, I guess. There are things that are disgusting and morally reprehensible, and if you have ever been on the receiving end of infidelity you would probably say Pitino's deed is worse. If on the other hand, one of your family members was killed by a drunk driver, then what BG did is worse. Perspective is everything.
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Pitino dipped his pen in the wrong well. It isn't illegal, and isn't even that uncommon. The only reason his actions are even being scrutinized is because they led to a lawsuit that is embarrassing to the University. Do you think this was the first time he ever got a piece on the side? Do you think anybody in the administration knew of his wandering eye before the current situation? My guess is that the success and prestige he brings to UofL is going to outweigh the temporary shame of his public daliance.

Gillepie's act was illegal, making it harder to forgive, and he has no gravitas in the state because, by UK standards, his teams sucked, so he was fired. A debate about moral comparatives might be fun in philosophy class, but it really has no relativity to what is going to happen. Coaches that win are going to be given some leeway. Coaches that don't are going to be given none.
 
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Redlegs said:
According to WLEX news, Billy G was in town for an arbitration hearing regarding his case against the university.

The puzzling thing is the fact he was pulled over in a white Mercedes with Texas plates. Are we to assume he drove all the way from Texas? That's a frightening thought in and of itself.
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Yeah, but as little as a month ago Billy was photographed in a lexington bar drinking with co-eds again. Its a regular thing now for must Kentucky sports blogs. Find Billy G drinking in Lexington, and send the pictures in for discussion.

I doubt seriously he drove from Texas. More than likely thats the car he has been driving for a while now. I dunno.
 
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Redlegs said:
I don't think you dismiss bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Pitino's sin was against his family and his marriage. Billy G could have killed somebody. Personally, if I'm driving my family down the road, I'd sure as heck would rather see Rick Pitino driving in the other lane than Billy Gillispie. Especially at night.
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You do realize Pitino was drunk as hell the night of his indescretion, right?
 
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hmanvolfan said:
You do realize Pitino was drunk as hell the night of his indescretion, right?
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What are you talking about? Getting drunk and driving is TEN times worse than getting drunk and having sex with someone other than your wife at a PUBLIC restaurant after hours. :)
 
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cotton said:
Billy didn't get fired because he drinks. He didn't get fired because he kicked a female reporter in the hoo-haa or hit on a recruit's girlfriend or otherwise displayed a lack of Christian virtue. He got fired because his teams weren't very good.
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Exactly.
 
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Lexvol said:
I understand the point. From what I've heard and seen I think that it actually affects everything he does. His social interactions, his ability to keep a schedule etc.

I'm not a prude by any stretch, but I fear he has come to the place of no return. For Gillespie it may not be as simple as finding a driver.

I've known several functioning alcoholics in my lifetime. Eventually they get to the point that they can no longer maintain.
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I know plenty of highly functioning alcoholics, but I am really not old enough to have seen any downward spiraling. That said, from what I understand Teddy Kennedy was a raging alcoholic. He kept it together, at least to the eyes of the public, till the day he died.

Please no one respond about his politics. That was not my intent. Just an example of a functioning alcoholic who functioned for many years.
 
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cotton said:
Gillepie's act was illegal, making it harder to forgive, and he has no gravitas in the state because, by UK standards, his teams sucked, so he was fired. A debate about moral comparatives might be fun in philosophy class, but it really has no relativity to what is going to happen. Coaches that win are going to be given some leeway. Coaches that don't are going to be given none.
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What does legality have to do with forgivability?

1. If you speed on the way to meet your mistress, only the speeding part is illegal. Which is more forgivable?

2. If you speed on the way to meet your buddies to get high hitting the bong, both parts are illegal. But isn't example 1 more reprehensible?

There is no connection between legality and morality. See Prohibition.
 
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kidbourbon said:
What does legality have to do with forgivability?

1. If you speed on the way to meet your mistress, only the speeding part is illegal. Which is more forgivable?

2. If you speed on the way to meet your buddies to get high hitting the bong, both parts are illegal. But isn't example 1 more reprehensible?

There is no connection between legality and morality. See Prohibition.
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Sweet. Speeding = driving drunk. Glad to know.
 
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kidbourbon said:
I know plenty of highly functioning alcoholics, but I am really not old enough to have seen any downward spiraling. That said, from what I understand Teddy Kennedy was a raging alcoholic. He kept it together, at least to the eyes of the public, till the day he died.

Please no one respond about his politics. That was not my intent. Just an example of a functioning alcoholic who functioned for many years.
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I wonder how many payoffs he made over his lifetime in order to "function"? If you have the cash and you are smart enough to pull it off, I say more power to you.

Odds are, eventually it is going to affect your judgement and cost you.

In regards to Pitino, he just needs to shut up and understand that it isn't about him screwing around. It is about him picking some bat-sh.. crazy woman to do it with.
 
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cotton said:
Billy didn't get fired because he drinks. He didn't get fired because he kicked a female reporter in the hoo-haa or hit on a recruit's girlfriend or otherwise displayed a lack of Christian virtue. He got fired because his teams weren't very good.

Eddie didn't get fired because he drinks. Eddie got fired because UK landed in the slammer under his watch. My semi-educated opinion is that UK fans and administrators don't care what their coaches do off the court or on the road or in the bedroom, so long as they win. Billy didn't. Eddie couldn't anymore.



Pitino dipped his pen in the wrong well. It isn't illegal, and isn't even that uncommon. The only reason his actions are even being scrutinized is because they led to a lawsuit that is embarrassing to the University. Do you think this was the first time he ever got a piece on the side? Do you think anybody in the administration knew of his wandering eye before the current situation? My guess is that the success and prestige he brings to UofL is going to outweigh the temporary shame of his public daliance.

Gillepie's act was illegal, making it harder to forgive, and he has no gravitas in the state because, by UK standards, his teams sucked, so he was fired. A debate about moral comparatives might be fun in philosophy class, but it really has no relativity to what is going to happen. Coaches that win are going to be given some leeway. Coaches that don't are going to be given none.
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The question was 'whose deed was worse', not 'which of the two is the worst guy'. Either way, the answer to both is 100 percent a matter of opinion. I find what Pitino did disgusting, and no, the fact that he's probably done this before doesn't make it less disgusting , even though it's not illegal. BG broke the law and will pay a price for that. Again, perspective is everything and this is my opinion. Obviously ours are different.
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Lulu said:
The question was 'whose deed was worse', not 'which of the two is the worst guy'.
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I think if you reread my post, it refers very clearly to the actions both guys took. The consequences of those actions are going to be different, in part because of what they did but also because of who they are. You cannot separate the act from the actor.


kidbourbon said:
What does legality have to do with forgivability?
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Legality has everything to do with forgivability from the University's perspective. It is much harder for such institutions to publicly forgive and forget indiscretions that involve public trials, guilty pleas, prison sentences and the like than it is those that don't.
 
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Tom Penders and Pat Knight are a whole lot more comfortable in their respective offices than they were a couple of days ago.
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hatvol96 said:
Tell that to the family of Mary Jo Kopechne.
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My post was about keeping it together as an aging alcoholic. He was young when this happened. I shoudl have thought of a different example of a functioning alcoholic as mentioning Teddy Kennedy was an invitation for the thread to go in a different direction.
 
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Lexvol said:
I wonder how many payoffs he made over his lifetime in order to "function"? If you have the cash and you are smart enough to pull it off, I say more power to you.

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Fair point. I don't know the answer to your question, but it's likely some whole number greater than zero.
 
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