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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I saw a tweet that the dude was 79 for 116 for 1,239 yards, 15 TD's and 1 INT in 4 playoff games. And 4 MVP's dude is pretty good. I'm glad he's gone.
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Bennett is like Drew Brees. You look at him and say, "That guy isn't that good" and you look again and see he doesn't excel exactly but he just doesn't screw up a lot and the numbers pile up.

Bennett isn't a great QB. He doesn't screw it up though, doesn't try to overplay his ability, doesn't force throws, didn't try to put GA on his back and carry them. And the numbers piled up.

Great? I dunno. Is it great to just not screw it up?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Bennett is like Drew Brees. You look at him and say, "That guy isn't that good" and you look again and see he doesn't excel exactly but he just doesn't screw up a lot and the numbers pile up.

Bennett isn't a great QB. He doesn't screw it up though, doesn't try to overplay his ability, doesn't force throws, didn't try to put GA on his back and carry them. And the numbers piled up.

Great? I dunno. Is it great to just not screw it up?
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I would say he is not a great talent, but by all objective measures he is a great QB.

Here is what is scary. Look at what he accomplished and everyone says he has no talent just on a great team. When does a “great“ talent figure out they can go there behind a great OL, not have face that DL and rack up great stats. Take any of the other Heisman Finalists, give them SB’s stats and the talk will be 1st round.
 
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pimo1 said:
Just because you don't wanna hear it does not mean it's not true. It's good therapy to admit an opponent is worthy. Does not mean you have to like them. Just respect they are legit and Bennett is legit. He just played himself into the third round of the draft while Duggan has likely played himself out of the third round.
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I liked this post until the third round part. He maybe played himself into being drafted.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
I would say he is not a great talent, but by all objective measures he is a great QB.

Here is what is scary. Look at what he accomplished and everyone says he has no talent just on a great team. When does a “great“ talent figure out they can go there behind a great OL, not have face that DL and rack up great stats. Take any of the other Heisman Finalists, give them SB’s stats and the talk will be 1st round.
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I say to myself: What kind of numbers would Bryce Young have put up at GA? Or Caleb Williams? Or Hendon Hooker? Who knows but everyone wants to say "bigger numbers than Bennett did....."

Does that matter? The answer about his numbers is 2 Nattys in a row. It seems his numbers were good enough.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Bennett is like Drew Brees. You look at him and say, "That guy isn't that good" and you look again and see he doesn't excel exactly but he just doesn't screw up a lot and the numbers pile up.

Bennett isn't a great QB. He doesn't screw it up though, doesn't try to overplay his ability, doesn't force throws, didn't try to put GA on his back and carry them. And the numbers piled up.

Great? I dunno. Is it great to just not screw it up?
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He is not tremendously physical talented. Physical talent, however, is separate and independent from how he plays the position. I think that's what people get hung up on. He plays the position very well. Does the fact he has an awesome O-line, great RBs/running game, and great WRs/TEs make it easier for him to play the position? Of course.

If you look at anybody who has been successful for a long time at anything, it is more because they avoided big mistakes instead of hitting a lot of home runs. Warren Buffett has attributed his success to the fact that he has avoided making terrible investments rather than always hitting home runs. It might not take a huge amount of physical talent to "not screw it up," but it certainly takes a lot of awareness, discretion, and good decision-making.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
Yes Ladd McConkey is an insane talent that everyone wanted.
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I call your McConkey and raise you Darnell Washington, or Brock Bowers, the entire litter of RB's, OL, or entire defense. The simple truth is outside of Bama and OSU he was surrounded by more talent than any team in the country. You are picking the outlier.

I guess the question is to play QB for Tennessee this past year, would you rather have Stetson or Hendon?
 
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If Tebow failed in the NFL, there’s no way in hell Bennett gets drafted, nor has a promising NFL career.
 
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rjd970 said:
I call your McConkey and raise you Darnell Washington, or Brock Bowers, the entire litter of RB's, OL, or entire defense. The simple truth is outside of Bama and OSU he was surrounded by more talent than any team in the country. You are picking the outlier.

I guess the question is to play QB for Tennessee this past year, would you rather have Stetson or Hendon?
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Why do you think he wouldn’t put up the same numbers as Hooker? Hooker throws to consistently wide open guys and those guys should be just as open regardless of who the QB is, either due to their talent or the scheme. HH and SB’s completion % are statistically the same, I believe he’s just as elusive as HH, so I’d expect him to put up similar #’s and we would have similar results. He has intangibles that aren’t measurable and enable him to play above his physical talent. We worship Casey Clausen around here for what he brought to the field every weekend, how were his stats? How was his “NFL career”? How much quality talent did he have around him? Who cares? He won.
 
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It doesn't matter what he does in the NFL. Not many college players excell or even get drafted. What he has done in college outstanding. I don't care if he is surrounded by 500 5* players, he played to not mess up, a very solid player.
 
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He is a decent qb. He is propped up by a team that has been insanely talented ( top 3 recruiting for 5-6 years). Put him at vandy and the song would sing differently
 
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05_never_again said:
He is not tremendously physical talented. Physical talent, however, is separate and independent from how he plays the position. I think that's what people get hung up on. He plays the position very well. Does the fact he has an awesome O-line, great RBs/running game, and great WRs/TEs make it easier for him to play the position? Of course.

If you look at anybody who has been successful for a long time at anything, it is more because they avoided big mistakes instead of hitting a lot of home runs. Warren Buffett has attributed his success to the fact that he has avoided making terrible investments rather than always hitting home runs. It might not take a huge amount of physical talent to "not screw it up," but it certainly takes a lot of awareness, discretion, and good decision-making.
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Hendon Hooker isn't tremendously physically gifted either. Sure, more than Bennett but Hooker was just average at Virginia Tech.

When Jalen Hurts left Bama there was no doubt he was going to be good wherever he landed. First, you knew he wasn't going to a trash program because he and everyone else knew his value. Second, the guy is extremely gifted.

People seem to forget that Hendon Hooker transferred to play for Jeremy Pruitt. Who in their right mind transfers to play for Pruitt and Jim Cheney? Hooker is a very, very lucky man.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
If Tebow failed in the NFL, there’s no way in hell Bennett gets drafted, nor has a promising NFL career.
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That's a low blow lol. Tebow is a terrible example he could not PASS THE BALL very well. That's like the main qualification for a QB. As far as an NFL comparison I think of someone like Tee Martin that level of talent.
 
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pimo1 said:
That's a low blow lol. Tebow is a terrible example he could not PASS THE BALL very well. That's like the main qualification for a QB. As far as an NFL comparison I think of someone like Tee Martin that level of talent.
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Give it a rest. @VolFreakJosh is correct and you are wrong. Like I said earlier, this thread will be remembered come draft time and after the next NFL season. You will eat crow.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
He’s his #1 WR by far. We keep talking like we have no talent around HH to throw to. Hyatt 4*, Bru 5*, Ramael 4*, Squirrel borderline 4*, Walker Merrill 4*, Calloway 4*. Tillman is our outlier.
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People can say he was surrounded by talent all day but I can point out other more talented QBs surrounded by much more talent that have not brought the goods. Stroud, Young, McCarthy, Williams and Daniels all are seen as MUCH better QBs surrounded by similar talent and all fell short. Just saying.
 
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NO SIR EEE said:
Give it a rest. @VolFreakJosh is correct and you are wrong. Like I said earlier, this thread will be remembered come draft time and after the next NFL season. You will eat crow.
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What crow will I eat? I merely said the guy deserves some credit and has likely played himself into the third round. I made no insane predictions. Maybe he drops a few rounds it happens because the NFL draft can be weird when teams go on nutty runs on certain positions. I didn't say the dude was gonna play or make the Probowl lol. People like winners and that's gonna carry weight come combine time. He is ok at pretty much everything as a QB. He does not have a cannon, he is not inaccurate, he can scramble and throw on the run, he's a hard worker. Someone is gonna want him as their backup QB.
 
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pimo1 said:
What crow will I eat? I merely said the guy deserves some credit and has likely played himself into the third round. I made no insane predictions. Maybe he drops a few rounds it happens because the NFL draft can be weird when teams go on nutty runs on certain positions. I didn't say the dude was gonna play or make the Probowl lol. People like winners and that's gonna carry weight come combine time. He is ok at pretty much everything as a QB. He does not have a cannon, he is not inaccurate, he can scramble and throw on the run, he's a hard worker. Someone is gonna want him as their backup QB.
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I said it before, if a third round projection is the best folks can do with a Heisman finalist and 2-time national championship QB then deep down you know. Bennett just scored 6 TD's in the NCG and was MVP of multiple playoff games. Hooker would be a first round lock, if not top 5, with Bennett's accolades. Maybe Bennett is the next Doug Flutie...I don't know...but I don't see it.

These arguments are similar to the TCU being in the NCG arguments...people want to believe and will argue it but not a single person will be surprised when he epically sinks when the lights are actually on.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Hendon Hooker isn't tremendously physically gifted either. Sure, more than Bennett but Hooker was just average at Virginia Tech.

When Jalen Hurts left Bama there was no doubt he was going to be good wherever he landed. First, you knew he wasn't going to a trash program because he and everyone else knew his value. Second, the guy is extremely gifted.

People seem to forget that Hendon Hooker transferred to play for Jeremy Pruitt. Who in their right mind transfers to play for Pruitt and Jim Cheney? Hooker is a very, very lucky man.
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Hooker is 6'4'' with a good arm.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
He’s his #1 WR by far. We keep talking like we have no talent around HH to throw to. Hyatt 4*, Bru 5*, Ramael 4*, Squirrel borderline 4*, Walker Merrill 4*, Calloway 4*. Tillman is our outlier.
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My point is that you're focusing the one other "little engine that could" on the team to downplay the amount of talent SB has around him. Not sure what Tennessee's WRs have to do with the discussion. SB's #1 target was Bowers, he has an elite offensive line, a stable of highly recruited RBs, and a defense full of 5-stars and future NFL players.
 
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There are a lot of QBs that are great college QBs and not fit for the NFL. We've had quite a few here. I do not think the the guy is gonna be an NFL starter but he will hang around rosters as a backup is all I'm saying.

If any of the more physically talented QBs had his accolades for sure it would help them more but Hooker and Milton actually have a similar problem to him. They are all like 25 kinda like Weinke. NFL teams will see them as peaked. Crazy how much difference a couple years makes. Byron Youngs draft stock is lower for similar reasons.
 
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But this thread has kinda went off from it's intentions. Partially my fault by bringing up the draft. I'm just saying the guy deserves a lot more credit than he is forgotten and UGA fans are gonna miss him. I personally am glad he is gone and wish the dude the best. I'm not a fan of him but I respect his story.
 
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05_never_again said:
My point is that you're focusing the one other "little engine that could" on the team to downplay the amount of talent SB has around him. Not sure what Tennessee's WRs have to do with the discussion. SB's #1 target was Bowers, he has an elite offensive line, a stable of highly recruited RBs, and a defense full of 5-stars and future NFL players.
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What does the defense have to do with his performance? Everyone wants to say he has it easy cause all he has to do is put up 17 to win. But they don’t, he leads an offense that puts up 40+ PPG. We led the nation in scoring, total offense, rushing TD’s and did it while being extremely balanced so we either have talent too or a scheme that’s “gimmicky” enough to win despite our “lack of talent”. What our WR’s have to do with the discussion is to show that we have the talent around HH as well to help his productivity. He’s not throwing to scrubs.
 
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