Goins' lack of assists

#30
#30
OaklandTnVol said:
He had 5 against UCONN and 4 agains NOVA. A decent PG should have 4-5 assists a game. Not 2 over the span of 2+ games.
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I agree. The wild inconsistency is the frustrating part. However, it does give me (very slight) hope to see that he has done well in the past, and maybe he will return to playing somewhat well. Wouldn't bet on it, though.
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#33
#33
gorockytop101 said:
Against Auburn we had 17 assists on 23 made FG's. So at least we know our offense clicks against them :)
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They zoned us the whole game, and they're biggest guy was around 6'6. That was the reason we looked a little better.
 
#37
#37
LawVol13 said:
Right. Couldn't have anything to do with the system. All on the players.
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I'm not defending the system because sometimes I'm dumbfounded by Tennessee's half-court offense, but seems like you want to credit the players for Pearl's early success, but blame the system for recent struggles.
 
#38
#38
Freak said:
I'm not defending the system because sometimes I'm dumbfounded by Tennessee's half-court offense, but seems like you want to credit the players for Pearl's early success, but blame the system for recent struggles.
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Not at all. As I have said numerous times on here, Pearl's transition offense was good, and he utilized it well early on. But, even then, halfcourt offense was not a strength. Now, we purposely slow games down and it makes us solely rely on our half-court offense, which has/is/and will continue to be a weakness until we scrap the modified flex.

And I have never said that Pearl's players deserve all the credit for success and he deserves all the blame for failure.
 
#40
#40
OaklandTnVol said:
That pretty much is what you said. If you didn't mean that, feel free to elaborate.
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If you could read, you would note that at the beginning of this thread, I noted the problems I see with the halfcourt offense. In fact, I have complimented Pearl on adjusting his system by scrapping the press and said that I felt he was perfectly capable of doing the same with the modified flex and implementing a more traditional half-court offense that utilizes our strengths better. So, try to keep up.
 
#41
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LawVol13 said:
If you could read, you would note that at the beginning of this thread, I noted the problems I see with the halfcourt offense. In fact, I have complimented Pearl on adjusting his system by scrapping the press and said that I felt he was perfectly capable of doing the same with the modified flex and implementing a more traditional half-court offense that utilizes our strengths better. So, try to keep up.
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Obviously I can't read. Nice. Choosing not to go back and read everyone posts has nothing to do with my reading ability. My comment wasn't toward what you said at the beginning. It was toward you saying the teams struggles is basically Pearl's fault. If you had the maturity of a 12 year old, and didn't think you knew everything you would see that.
 
#42
#42
OaklandTnVol said:
Obviously I can't read. Nice. Choosing not to go back and read everyone posts has nothing to do with my reading ability. My comment wasn't toward what you said at the beginning. It was toward you saying the teams struggles is basically Pearl's fault. If you had the maturity of a 12 year old, and didn't think you knew everything you would see that.
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I have consistently in multiple threads said Goins' lack of assists were a function of our offense just as much as him being an inept PG. I'm not sure how that's hard to grasp.
 
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#43
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LawVol13 said:
I have consistently in multiple threads said Goins lack of assists were a function of our offense just as much as him being an inept. I'm not sure how that's hard to grasp.
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I apologize for not being a LawVol13 roadie and keeping up with all your posts. You know exactly what post of yours I commented on. I agree with you that Goins' struggles are both on him and the system. However, other teams run the flex and do not struggle like Goins' has of late with assists. I don't know the problem, never have claimed to. I support the change of pace, if that it was Pearl decides to do, and I hope it wakes Goins up and he plays better. You don't have to get so defensive. We do cheer for the same team. It will be ok. I promise.
 
#44
#44
OaklandTnVol said:
I apologize for not being a LawVol13 roadie and keeping up with all your posts. You know exactly what post of yours I commented on. I agree with you that Goins' struggles are both on him and the system. However, other teams run the flex and do not struggle like Goins' has of late with assists. I don't know the problem, never have claimed to. I support the change of pace, if that it was Pearl decides to do, and I hope it wakes Goins up and he plays better. You don't have to get so defensive. We do cheer for the same team. It will be ok. I promise.
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Maybe you should stop and watch a little. We hold the ball awaiting a playmaker for about 20 seconds then go into our offense. We are the laziest cutting and mist pathetic screening team I've ever seen. That's why you don't see assists in our offense. Teams now bust it back to take away any transition because our offense is so poorly run. They focus on two offensive guys and help hard off everyone else. Our opportunities are very limited. That said, Goins can play better and has. McBee is a disaster waiting to happen. Golden is a massively better point guard. Citing a limited set if games to make you case looks retarded.
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#45
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OaklandTnVol said:
However, other teams run the flex and do not struggle like Goins' has of late with assists.
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Teams don't run the modified flex that Tennessee runs though. It's a dumbed down version of a flex offense. Our base offense never, ever results in a shot attempt. Everything is dependent upon a playcall that essentially makes our players robotic. It's simply a structure that doesn't utilize our players' athleticism like I think an offense should. When we win, we do it despite the half-court offense, and that has been true since Pearl has been here. Pearl has a lot of strengths, but half-court offense just isn't one of them. It's not a personal attack, just an observation.
 
#46
#46
LawVol13 said:
Teams don't run the modified flex that Tennessee runs though. It's a dumbed down version of a flex offense. Our base offense never, ever results in a shot attempt. Everything is dependent upon a playcall that essentially makes our players robotic. It's simply a structure that doesn't utilize our players' athleticism like I think an offense should. When we win, we do it despite the half-court offense, and that has been true since Pearl has been here. Pearl has a lot of strengths, but half-court offense just isn't one of them. It's not a personal attack, just an observation.
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I agree. I think the "run and gun" style is what Pearl does best. I don't care what kind of offense we run. Just run it right and play hard and I'm good with it. I am just tired of losing games we should win.
 
#48
#48
LawVol13 said:
Not at all. As I have said numerous times on here, Pearl's transition offense was good, and he utilized it well early on. But, even then, halfcourt offense was not a strength. Now, we purposely slow games down and it makes us solely rely on our half-court offense, which has/is/and will continue to be a weakness until we scrap the modified flex.

And I have never said that Pearl's players deserve all the credit for success and he deserves all the blame for failure.
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I don't disagree with any of this. I was just reading between the lines based on your comments about Tennessee's success with Lofton on the roster.

:hi:
 
#49
#49
Freak said:
I don't disagree with any of this. I was just reading between the lines based on your comments about Tennessee's success with Lofton on the roster.

:hi:
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I was probably being vague. I think Pearl's transition offense helped Lofton tremendously. I think Lofton helped Pearl's half-court offense tremendously. :hi:
 
#50
#50
Freak said:
Golden

Alabama 15 minutes - 3 assists
Kentucky 9 minutes - 0 assists
Florida 9 minutes - 1 assist
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hmmmm...

one third the minutes, twice the assists compared to Goins. :p Seriously, though, this suggests something interesting. More minutes for Golden usually means more production. In games he's played at least 15 minutes (i.e. games in which he's allowed to get into the flow of the game rather than being yanked out after a couple of minutes) his totals are: 181 minutes, 34 assists, 16 turnovers. Converted to per 40 minutes: 7.5 assists to 3.5 turnovers, whereas Goins' per 40 are: 4.3 assists to 2.6 turnovers.

Also, during the stretch between the Belmont and Memphis games it looked like this:
Golden 192 minutes, 39 assists, 16 turnovers
Goins 296 minutes, 36 assists, 20 turnovers

...right after which Golden's minutes diminished.

I'll quickly say that Goins is miles ahead of Golden on defense; but all of this suggests that if Pearl's going to be giving away point guard minutes, he's already got the guy to give them to.
 
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