Good Game Golden.

#51
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let me be clear im not saying we dont need a pg because we clearrly do, but it needs to be a good one, and dont say anythings better than golden because that isnt true. if you can find a good pg who can come in and lead your offense, hit the open shots consistently, drive the lane, average atleast 5 or 6 assists and less then 2 turnovers a game then sure im all for it. i just dont know how easy it is to find this type of player. for example, i wouldnt want goins or maze here next year i dont think that that is a big improvement if any at all. people complained about both those pgs, its easy to think someone was good when they are no longer here anymore, people werent their biggest fans though thats for sure.
 
#52
#52
King Webbsticles said:
McRae had an opportunity THIS YEAR to step in and contribute. He was a freaking starter. What has been the result? He has been replaced by McBee, who quite frankly, isn't any good. McRae can't shoot or defend. He is dead weight that needs to be let go.

Of course CCM says he likes the players and that they will be contributors to the team. What coach comes out and says that he hopes a kid transfers? Doesn't mean that he is finding them another team behind closed doors.
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so your saying its likely mcbee, wes, jordan and miller are all told to leave next year to cut dead weight? frankly id rather have mcrae here than mcbee, i know mcbee plays harder but if mcrae ever gets a fire under him he will beat mcbee out in his sleep, the upside is huge for him, obviously the risk is there too, but mcbee isnt the answer either. if yourl getting rid of mcrae may as well get rid of mcbee to, its not like he is really getting any better.

i just see ccm looking at jordan and saying its my first year with you were gonna work with you and get you were you can be. the kid is still just that a kid, a sophomore, i dont think he is a lost cause JMO. i have no problem with miller leaving though, i wouldnt care if mcbee left either as i just dont see him contributin much, but tennessee locals would freak out if that happened.
 
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#53
#53
A Goins or Maze-like player would be a wonderful addition to this team for next year.

That way Golden can move to SG. It would be idiotic to turn down a Bobby Maze for this team.
 
#54
#54
bleedingTNorange said:
so your saying its likely mcbee, wes, jordan and miller are all told to leave next year to cut dead weight? frankly id rather have mcrae here than mcbee, i know mcbee plays harder but if mcrae ever gets a fire under him he will beat mcbee out in his sleep, the upside is huge for him, obviously the risk is there too, but mcbee isnt the answer either. if yourl getting rid of mcrae may as well get rid of mcbee to, its not like he is really getting any better.
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You'll hear no qualms from me. In my opinion, McBee should have never gotten a scholarship to begin with. But the fact is, McBee at least, in some smallest way, contributes to this team. McRae does not, which is why we were rolling with McBee at the end of the game rather than McRae.
 
#55
#55
King Webbsticles said:
A Goins or Maze-like player would be a wonderful addition to this team for next year.

That way Golden can move to SG. It would be idiotic to turn down a Bobby Maze for this team.
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9 points 3 assists 1.5 t.o a game...i dont see that being an automatic upgrade honestly. as i said earlier people rode maze just like they are riding golden saying he tries to score too much and look for his shots and not others.
 
#56
#56
bleedingTNorange said:
9 points 3 assists 1.5 t.o a game...i dont see that being an automatic upgrade honestly. as i said earlier people rode maze just like they are riding golden saying he tries to score too much and look for his shots and not others.
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Because it allows Golden to not have to carry this team. He doesn't have to run the offense.

9 points 2:1 TO ratio would be a lot better than the 10 pts, 1:3 TO ratio that our other guards (Richardson, Tatum, McRae, McBee) are producing.
 
#57
#57
King Webbsticles said:
You'll hear no qualms from me. In my opinion, McBee should have never gotten a scholarship to begin with. But the fact is, McBee at least, in some smallest way, contributes to this team. McRae does not, which is why we were rolling with McBee at the end of the game rather than McRae.
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i was trying to figure out why richardson wasnt out there and mcbee was, that baffled me to be honest with you. whether this is considered right or wrong i think ccm is they type to ride things out, i think he knows mcbee is a local kid everyone likes him. he received a scholly ill let him finish it out, same goes for mcrae, ccm wont tell these guys your not gonna play so transfer, because he preaches you earn your playing time in practice so these guys will feel they can earn playing time. now if they feel like they dont want to be here then yea they may leave.

basically if i were to have to bet on this id say:
miller is gone
mcrae is here
mcbee is here
wes is here
and i even think the miller thing is up for debate just because of how much he has been around. will he be able to transfer and play immediately a la john fields? if so yea he may transfer then on his own.
 
#58
#58
King Webbsticles said:
Because it allows Golden to not have to carry this team. He doesn't have to run the offense.

9 points 2:1 TO ratio would be a lot better than the 10 pts, 1:3 TO ratio that our other guards (Richardson, Tatum, McRae, McBee) are producing.
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you are replacing golden at pg if you had a guy like maze were saying, so assists go down, turnovers go up points go down at the PG position. golden goes to sg and so our sg points go up, assist probably go up and turnovers go down as golden replaces richardson, richardson will play sf so id say assists go down turnovers go down and points go down. so with this swithc...assists go down at 2 position, turnovers go down at 2 positions, and points go down at 2 positions. i see this as being a wash honestly. do you waste a scholly on someone who wont be THAT big of a difference i guess is what my point is. if you can bring in a stud PG i am ALL for it, but if its an average PG that is gonna take away a scholly from your '13 class i dont like it.
 
#59
#59
bleedingTNorange said:
i was trying to figure out why richardson wasnt out there and mcbee was, that baffled me to be honest with you. whether this is considered right or wrong i think ccm is they type to ride things out, i think he knows mcbee is a local kid everyone likes him. he received a scholly ill let him finish it out, same goes for mcrae, ccm wont tell these guys your not gonna play so transfer, because he preaches you earn your playing time in practice so these guys will feel they can earn playing time. now if they feel like they dont want to be here then yea they may leave.

basically if i were to have to bet on this id say:
miller is gone
mcrae is here
mcbee is here
wes is here
and i even think the miller thing is up for debate just because of how much he has been around. will he be able to transfer and play immediately a la john fields? if so yea he may transfer then on his own.
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You really think so? They have had playing time and have sucked. Sometimes you just realize that they aren't any good.

Miller should be gone. No reason for CCM to keep him.
McRae should be gone.
Washpun should be gone. He isn't SEC caliber.
McBee should not play but has to due to talent issues.


Keeping players who shouldn't be on the team leads you to having teams that are 5-24 at the end of the year. Keeping players like Washpun/Miller gets you fired.
 
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#60
bleedingTNorange said:
you are replacing golden at pg if you had a guy like maze were saying, so assists go down, turnovers go up points go down at the PG position. golden goes to sg and so our sg points go up, assist probably go up and turnovers go down as golden replaces richardson, richardson will play sf so id say assists go down turnovers go down and points go down. so with this swithc...assists go down at 2 position, turnovers go down at 2 positions, and points go down at 2 positions. i see this as being a wash honestly. do you waste a scholly on someone who wont be THAT big of a difference i guess is what my point is. if you can bring in a stud PG i am ALL for it, but if its an average PG that is gonna take away a scholly from your '13 class i dont like it.
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What the hell is this math?

PG:
Points go down.
Assists go down.
TO's go down


SG:
Points go up
Assists go up
TO's go down.


Overall:
Points stay the same (or go up because one player will do the combined work of 2-3 players now)

Assists stay the same (or goes up because you have more assist opportunities)

TO's go down


This is a no-brainer.
 
#61
#61
bleedingTNorange said:
do you waste a scholly on someone who wont be THAT big of a difference i guess is what my point is.


if you can bring in a stud PG i am ALL for it, but if its an average PG that is gonna take away a scholly from your '13 class i dont like it.
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We already have wasted scholly's on people who won't be that big of a difference. Miller, Washpun, McRae.



We will have plenty of scholarships in 2013. Like 5. We should never have to replace any more than that.
 
#62
#62
King Webbsticles said:
You really think so? They have had playing time and have sucked. Sometimes you just realize that they aren't any good.

Miller should be gone. No reason for CCM to keep him.
McRae should be gone.
Washpun should be gone. He isn't SEC caliber.
McBee should not play but has to due to talent issues.


Keeping players who shouldn't be on the team leads you to having teams that are 5-24 at the end of the year. Keeping players like Washpun/Miller gets you fired.
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he preaches practice will determine your playing time, if you outhustle and out defend the other players in practice you start. woolridge starts over hall, clearly hall is more talented though thats a good example of it. when ccm came in he told the guys he didnt care who they were he would determine playing time by the practices, i dont see that changing. im not asking what should happen but if you had to actually put something on it what you honestly think will happen with these guys:

miller
mcbee
mcrae
washpun
 
#63
#63
King Webbsticles said:
What the hell is this math?

PG:
Points go down.
Assists go down.
TO's go down


SG:
Points go up
Assists go up
TO's go down.


Overall:
Points stay the same (or go up because one player will do the combined work of 2-3 players now)

Assists stay the same (or goes up because you have more assist opportunities)

TO's go down


This is a no-brainer.
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i was also including richardson playing over tatum now. assists go down turnovers go down points go down with that move.
 
#64
#64
bleedingTNorange said:
he preaches practice will determine your playing time, if you outhustle and out defend the other players in practice you start. woolridge starts over hall, clearly hall is more talented though thats a good example of it. when ccm came in he told the guys he didnt care who they were he would determine playing time by the practices, i dont see that changing. im not asking what should happen but if you had to actually put something on it what you honestly think will happen with these guys:

miller
mcbee
mcrae
washpun
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That philosophy gets you fired. You can't be afraid to hurt feelings and play talent over heart.

I'll go on record as saying:

Miller - gone
McRae - iffy/ likely gone
Washpun - gone
McBee - stays and graduates
 
#66
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King Webbsticles said:
We already have wasted scholly's on people who won't be that big of a difference. Miller, Washpun, McRae.



We will have plenty of scholarships in 2013. Like 5. We should never have to replace any more than that.
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ok but after next year miller and mcbee are gone so you get those scholly's if you gtive them to a juco they got those scholly's now 2 years. personally id rather let cuonzo be able to bring in the guys he wants out of hs and that he has been evaluating. thats just the type of coach i see him as, let things carry through here and the former players finish out here if they want. thats just my opinion it absolutely could be wrong.
 
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#67
King Webbsticles said:
That philosophy gets you fired. You can't be afraid to hurt feelings and play talent over heart.

I'll go on record as saying:

Miller - gone
McRae - iffy/ likely gone
Washpun - gone
McBee - stays and graduates
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gutsy i like it...

cuonzo aint getting fired next year so he can do that. if he does it 3 years from now with guys he evaluated and they suck then yea its a problemty i have no problem with him letting these guys finish out, although id like to see miller gone. i still think mcrae has something left in him. once again i very likely could be wrong just my feeling we havent heard the last from jordan mcrae.

out of curiousity why does mcbee stay he is no more sec ready than washpun, you can find a much better sg at juco level than mcbee? so why do you let him stay?
 
#68
#68
King Webbsticles said:
Richardson should never play over Cam. Even as bad as Tatum has been recently, Richardson adds nothing on the offensive side and is just slightly better on D.
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not now as in this year next year when we were talking about adding a pg like maze and golden goes to 2 and richardson will be the 3 most likely. i was saying what he brings compared to tatum, assists go down to go down points go down
 
#69
#69
bleedingTNorange said:
gutsy i like it...

cuonzo aint getting fired next year so he can do that. if he does it 3 years from now with guys he evaluated and they suck then yea its a problemty i have no problem with him letting these guys finish out, although id like to see miller gone. i still think mcrae has something left in him. once again i very likely could be wrong just my feeling we havent heard the last from jordan mcrae.

out of curiousity why does mcbee stay he is no more sec ready than washpun, you can find a much better sg at juco level than mcbee? so why do you let him stay?
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I know CCM isn't getting fired, nor do I want him gone.

But the philosophy of playing less talented players because they stuck it out and tried gets you fired. Ask Phil Fulmer. You can't base your coaching off of getting players to play with more talents than they have
 
#70
#70
bleedingTNorange said:
not now as in this year next year when we were talking about adding a pg like maze and golden goes to 2 and richardson will be the 3 most likely. i was saying what he brings compared to tatum, assists go down to go down points go down
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Agree. I don't think Richardson can go to the 3. He is just too short to compete against some of the threes in the league. He would get abused by some of the 3's, much like McBee does.

I could see Edwards/Reese/Chevious/ JUCO player taking the three.

My ideal lineup:

JUCO/Golden
Golden/Richardson
JUCO/Edwards/Chevious/Reese
Stokes/ Yemi
Maymon/Hall
 
#71
#71
King Webbsticles said:
Agree. I don't think Richardson can go to the 3. He is just too short to compete against some of the threes in the league. He would get abused by some of the 3's, much like McBee does.

I could see Edwards/Reese/Chevious/ JUCO player taking the three.

My ideal lineup:

JUCO/Golden
Golden/Richardson
JUCO/Edwards/Chevious/Reese
Stokes/ Yemi
Maymon/Hall
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i can agree that we need a point, whether we get one or not will be answered soon enough. maybe ccm will have a plan in place for trae, becuase i dont know if you have heard ccm comments but he wants trae at point, and has gone as far as even saying things like he is the pg of our future. maybe he still moves him as i said time will tell we will know soon enough. i dont agree with taking a wing juco though. if we ditch miller and say wes and take a pg and wing juco like your saying that only gives us...mcbee a senior, maymon, and hall?thats it right? we have to have more than 3 schollies for '13 class 5 is ideal 6 is even better. the '13 class is gonna be where ccm builds this program if he's going to not the juco route.
 
#75
#75
Not hammering Golden at all (there are alot worse players on this team for that), but Stokes was wide open under the basket. Golden drove drew the double team and left Stokes all alone. Easy slam.
 
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