GOP breaking ranks ....

[sjt18]

Hyperbole much? Should we expect gs-esque pictures of Obama with gold hammer and sickle chains from you next?

You said nobody without any qualification. there are people here talking about it as well as out in the real world.

And I googled the quote in question. Obama said it on the campaign trail. If I had a nickel for every time a politician said something on the campaign trail that he didn't follow through or change his mind on...

There is no indication that Obama changed his mind.

There is every indication that Obama and those he's surrounded himself with will continue to engage in policies that move the country toward a gov't run or micromanaged scheme.

Obama is an academic. He's never run a business. He really hadn't run a significant organization of any type prior to becoming President. His ideals come from other academics. That's who he surrounds himself with. That's who he respects. His paradigm is shaped by a non-critical assumption that the economy can and should be run centrally by the gov't. He believes that is the only way to assure "fairness". Healthcare is something that if he were correct he should rightly prioritize. He should do everything in his power to get it under a central planning authority.

I don't oppose the guy because I necessarily think he has malignant intent. (I do think he's using shady and less that open and honest tactics to get to where he thinks we should be) I oppose him because what he believes in will hurt our nation and its people in practice.

 

[milohimself]

I am only speaking to healthcare ATM so as not to make things too broad here, but I suspect more than anything that he is operating in the framework of the idea, which literally every other highly developed nation on Earth operates in, that adequate health care (in no way necessarily government provided) is every bit as much an entitlement to citizens of a civilized society as protection, basic education, roads, mail service and emergency response. This notion has been with the Democratic party long before Obama even set foot in a public office.

Are you morally opposed to all forms of regulation on business by government or do you think it's situationally necessary to some extent?

 

[sjt18]

Are you morally opposed to all forms of regulation on business by government or do you think it's situationally necessary to some extent?

I think rule of law is absolutely vital for a nation to remain free and prosperous. That is why gov't cannot be a player. It has to be the referree.

 

[milohimself]

Marked down as option 2.

And I agree in most cases, I would like to see Medicare/Medicaid done away with and for those most in need to have private payment service subsidized.

Starting to drift off into the area of irrelevance for the thread, though. Back on topic...

 

[sjt18]

I am only speaking to healthcare ATM so as not to make things too broad here, but I suspect more than anything that he is operating in the framework of the idea, which literally every other highly developed nation on Earth operates in, that adequate health care (in no way necessarily government provided) is every bit as much an entitlement to citizens of a civilized society as protection, basic education, roads, mail service and emergency response. This notion has been with the Democratic party long before Obama even set foot in a public office.

I really do not care AT ALL what any or every other country does. I care about maintaining the maximum level of freedom, individual sovereignty, and rights as possible.

In that regard, NO ONE is ever "entitled" to the property or labors of another.

Many bring up Europe. The fact is we indirectly subsidized and continue to subsidize their systems. For 50 years or so we paid for the bulk of their defense. Right now we allow them to put price caps on medicines/procedures/technologies for which the American consumer must pay the R&D costs on.

If for no other reason... I don't want gov't poking around in my medical records.

I believe that the biggest problem with the US system right now is that gov't is involved WAY too much. Politicians on both side are alternately advocates of a big gov't solution or are pawns of huge corporations. It is gov't's pervasive regulation that allows the corporations to benefit from those relationships.