GOP wary of health law repeal push in fall races

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Top Republicans are increasingly worried that GOP candidates this fall might be burned by a fire that's roaring through the conservative base: demand for the repeal of President Barack Obama's new health care law.
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GOP wary of health law repeal push in fall races - Yahoo! News


You guys think the GOP will ride the Repeal horse into November or wind up thinking better of it by then?
 
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VolInMn said:
GOP wary of health law repeal push in fall races - Yahoo! News


You guys think the GOP will ride the Repeal horse into November or wind up thinking better of it by then?
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Depends on the race.

The more Tea Party/Beck/Fox News/Palin your district, the more likely you are to trot out the "socialism" straw man, and the more likely you are to talk repeal.

The more rational and level-headed the people are in your district, the more likely you are to complain about the process by which it was done and to harp on finances of the bill, and to focus more on the economy.
 
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socialism straw man? what do you consider what obama is doing if it isn't a move towards european style socialism? american's belief in self is far stronger than other nations. the dems electing a wackjob like obama will be the biggest mistake they will make in our lifetime.
 
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droski said:
socialism straw man? what do you consider what obama is doing if it isn't a move towards european style socialism? american's belief in self is far stronger than other nations. the dems electing a wackjob like obama will be the biggest mistake they will make in our lifetime.
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He did say he was going to fundamentally transform America
 
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droski said:
socialism straw man? what do you consider what obama is doing if it isn't a move towards european style socialism? american's belief in self is far stronger than other nations. the dems electing a wackjob like obama will be the biggest mistake they will make in our lifetime.
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look at our history - we were founded by people with big enough balls to pack up and leave societies with strong central government rule. Since that time, Europeans have lived under one form of strong central government or another. For them it is a way of life, for us not so much.

IMHO, this is at the core of the TP movement. A return to the fierce independence of our ancestors.
 
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volinbham said:
look at our history - we were founded by people with big enough balls to pack up and leave societies with strong central government rule. Since that time, Europeans have lived under one form of strong central government or another. For them it is a way of life, for us not so much.

IMHO, this is at the core of the TP movement. A return to the fierce independence of our white ancestors.
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fyp
 
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T-TownVol said:
Just another case of the media trying to shape the GOP platform
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Oh come on. Even Fox News commentators debate back and forth the effectiveness/wisdom of the repeal platform. That's not anybody shaping anything -- its a big part of where some in the GOP think they can win, that's clear.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh come on. Even Fox News commentators debate back and forth the effectiveness/wisdom of the repeal platform. That's not anybody shaping anything -- its a big part of where some in the GOP think they can win, that's clear.
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So, once again you prove your hard on for Fox News.
 
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The GOP would be a bunch of fools to run on repeal. If they want to have november be a blood bath they will run on not funding the tax reform act.

If they want to flirt with repeal, it can't be taken serious till 2012 when the dear leader is voted out of office by a landslide.

All this is is Jimmy Carter all over again.
 
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rjd970 said:
What was the point of that?

It sure would be nice if we could finally get to the point in this country where race truly doesn't matter.
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Well, obviously not everyone is motivated by that.

On the other hand, a lot of what we are seeing right now -- the tension, the stress on society, the increasing harshness of the rhetoric -- is a reflection of the fears white middle class America has that the face of the country is changing.

In our children's lifetimes, whites will become the minority (in a plural sense). We have a black president. Immigration issues abound. We have fights over English only, fights over entitlement programs, etc.

Thus, while if you ask an indivdual if their politics are informed by race the vast majority will say no, the reality is that fears that are part of suspicions between races is driving some of what we are seeing right now. And that's on both sides.
 
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i like how you add on both sides. way to cover your arse by calling republicans racists.
 
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just go ahead and add "White is wrong" to your sig LG and be done with it. You couldn't be more wrong by characterizing those who want this country to return to a time when people could take care of themselves as racist but it won't make a difference to you.
 
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utvolpj said:
just go ahead and add "White is wrong" to your sig LG and be done with it. You couldn't be more wrong by characterizing those who want this country to return to a time when people could take care of themselves as racist but it won't make a difference to you.
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interestingly before the civil rights movement the gap between blacks and whites when it comes to income and education achievement was narrowing every generation. afterwords it started widening. yet most would agree the country is currently less racist.
 
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droski said:
i like how you add on both sides. way to cover your arse by calling republicans racists.
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First, I am not calling all Republicans racist. But I think it is fairly obvious that the GOP generally favors policies seen as adverse to the interests of the minority community. And, since the GOP is largely made up of middle and upper middle class and business classes, the simple fact is that those are the groups who feel most threatened by the way things are evolving.

As I said, its not so much a direct, anti-black feeling. Its more of a sense of loss of power and control, that they are being asked to produce economically to pay the freight for lower classes, which tend to be made up of minorities more so than whites.

I guess we could call it indirect racism. Its not a bias against a race, its a bias against a class. And folks tend to associate one with the other.




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just go ahead and add "White is wrong" to your sig LG and be done with it. You couldn't be more wrong by characterizing those who want this country to return to a time when people could take care of themselves as racist but it won't make a difference to you.
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I rest my case.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, obviously not everyone is motivated by that.

On the other hand, a lot of what we are seeing right now -- the tension, the stress on society, the increasing harshness of the rhetoric -- is a reflection of the fears white middle class America has that the face of the country is changing.

In our children's lifetimes, whites will become the minority (in a plural sense). We have a black president. Immigration issues abound. We have fights over English only, fights over entitlement programs, etc.

Thus, while if you ask an indivdual if their politics are informed by race the vast majority will say no, the reality is that fears that are part of suspicions between races is driving some of what we are seeing right now. And that's on both sides.
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I'm sorry, but that is a load of garbage. The last 2 presidency's have been more about war and socialism than anything else. Things like entitlement programs have always been issues, and is based more along the lines of personal liberty. I think you will find equally strong language on these type of issues going all the way back to colonial times.

The rhetoric we are seeing is more due to the increased speed and access to information and 24 hour news cycles of outfits like MSNBC and Foxnews. None of this stuff is new, including the race straw-man to define all of society's ills. No one argues racism doesn't have an ugly past, but to use it in this day and age is nothing more than a canard and a lazy interpretation of societal debate lines.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, I am not calling all Republicans racist. But I think it is fairly obvious that the GOP generally favors policies seen as adverse to the interests of the minority community. And, since the GOP is largely made up of middle and upper middle class and business classes, the simple fact is that those are the groups who feel most threatened by the way things are evolving.

As I said, its not so much a direct, anti-black feeling. Its more of a sense of loss of power and control, that they are being asked to produce economically to pay the freight for lower classes, which tend to be made up of minorities more so than whites.

I guess we could call it indirect racism. Its not a bias against a race, its a bias against a class. And folks tend to associate one with the other.






I rest my case.
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go ahead and say it if you have the stones. I really don't expect you to since you just prefer to just hint people are racist.

An entitlement society is not what America was ever meant to be. Sad that some people think it should be now and those that oppose them are given labels like you are trying to do.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, obviously not everyone is motivated by that.

On the other hand, a lot of what we are seeing right now -- the tension, the stress on society, the increasing harshness of the rhetoric -- is a reflection of the fears white middle class America has that the face of the country is changing.

In our children's lifetimes, whites will become the minority (in a plural sense). We have a black president. Immigration issues abound. We have fights over English only, fights over entitlement programs, etc.

Thus, while if you ask an indivdual if their politics are informed by race the vast majority will say no, the reality is that fears that are part of suspicions between races is driving some of what we are seeing right now. And that's on both sides.
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I am so sick of your side always trying to play the race card and trying to paint conservatives and teaparty members as racist. There is only one member of the Senate who is an admitted member of the klan, that would be Robert Byrd-Democrat West Virginia.
Bush nominated Miguel Estrada to the US Court of Appeals and he was filibustered by your side, he is an Honduran immigrant. Most Conservatives myself included, would support JC Watts for POTUS. Clarence Thomas nominated by Bush 41. Condi Rice was Secretary of State for Bush 43. We don't give a damn what color someone is as long as they are for Conservative principles. I won't support a radical socialist no matter what color he or she is.
 
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LG, I believe people came to Ellis Island "to make a life for themselves and their family", not for the govt to give them handouts.
 
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