GOP wary of health law repeal push in fall races

[volfanjustin]

First, I am not calling all Republicans racist. But I think it is fairly obvious that the GOP generally favors policies seen as adverse to the interests of the minority community. And, since the GOP is largely made up of middle and upper middle class and business classes, the simple fact is that those are the groups who feel most threatened by the way things are evolving.

As I said, its not so much a direct, anti-black feeling. Its more of a sense of loss of power and control, that they are being asked to produce economically to pay the freight for lower classes, which tend to be made up of minorities more so than whites.

I guess we could call it indirect racism. Its not a bias against a race, its a bias against a class. And folks tend to associate one with the other.




Just the opposite, conservatives want everyone to have the opportunity to prosper, the democrats see a voting block that the will always have as long as they can keep the poor, poor and the uninformed, uninformed. Your side likes to keep some "dumbed down" and likes to keep giving them money that have not earned so they will continue to vote for the very people who keep them poor.

 

[BigPapaVol]

From the fyp stupidity on, this thread is crap.

On the repeal, we'll run on the need for appeal but the reality of an incremental change to get there, in terms of votes on the hill.

We'll really run on the absurdity of anyone believing in a government solution and exacerbating that by pretending it would be economy neutral.
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[MG1968]

I wonder how many African Americans are partners at LG's law firm and if he would be willing to give up his position there in order to promote "diversity".

 

[JTrainDavis]

The GOP would be a bunch of fools to run on repeal. If they want to have november be a blood bath they will run on not funding the tax reform act.

If they want to flirt with repeal, it can't be taken serious till 2012 when the dear leader is voted out of office by a landslide.

All this is is Jimmy Carter all over again.

Well said, basing the election on repealing this idiot's 'crowning achievement' isn't likely to get far, with the dear leader in office.

You can't promise something at this point which is not going to happen with the current guy in the WH.
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[utvolpj]

From the fyp stupidity on, this thread is crap.

I'm sorry I had to fight in the middle of LG's Black Panther Party

 

[BigPapaVol]

I'm sorry I had to fight in the middle of LG's Black Panther Party

I get it, but the premise was so stupid it just destroyed the place. Several good responses have been posted, but you'd think they need not be said.

My response is that the racial argument and others like it are the reason that personal responsibility is no longer a given in public discourse. Excuses are more the norm.
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[droski]

But I think it is fairly obvious that the GOP generally favors policies seen as adverse to the interests of the minority community.

as i just said. if affirmitive action, welfare, and socialized healthcare (i.e. medicaid) are good for the minority community why has the income gap widened since these things have been implemented when it was narrowing before it?

 

[BigPapaVol]

as i just said. if affirmitive action, welfare, and socialized healthcare are good for the minority community why has the income gap widened since these things have been implemented when it was narrowing before it?

Are you dense? It's because we didn't have federalized healthcare. This last step is the one that's going to fix the problem.
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[Vol Mania 21]

I'm sorry I had to fight in the middle of LG's Black Panther Party

nice

 

[lawgator1]

I'm sorry, but that is a load of garbage. The last 2 presidency's have been more about war and socialism than anything else....

No, a significant part of the protest you see in the Tea Parties is not about policy, its about the traditionally most powerful groups expressing their fear as they lose the power.

go ahead and say it if you have the stones. I really don't expect you to since you just prefer to just hint people are racist.

An entitlement society is not what America was ever meant to be. Sad that some people think it should be now and those that oppose them are given labels like you are trying to do.

You aren't reading closely enough. I'm not saying that people go around proclaiming "I don't like Obama because he's black." Rather, they say that Obama represents the intersts of the people who always have a hand out asking for something for nothing, that he is entrenching a bottom-up mentality into the relationship between the government and the economy.

The Tea Party folks -- not all but some -- have this outrage they can barely express sometimes. Its fear. As they watch the country change before their eyes into something far different than Ozzie and Harriet and Leave it to Beaver.

They see all of it as related. And no, I am not speaking for them. Look at the threads on this board. Its all there.

I am so sick of your side always trying to play the race card and trying to paint conservatives and teaparty members as racist. There is only one member of the Senate who is an admitted member of the klan, that would be Robert Byrd-Democrat West Virginia.
Bush nominated Miguel Estrada to the US Court of Appeals and he was filibustered by your side, he is an Honduran immigrant. Most Conservatives myself included, would support JC Watts for POTUS. Clarence Thomas nominated by Bush 41. Condi Rice was Secretary of State for Bush 43. We don't give a damn what color someone is as long as they are for Conservative principles. I won't support a radical socialist no matter what color he or she is.

Racism used to be fairly apparent. Its not being experessed in those terms any more.

LG, I believe people came to Ellis Island "to make a life for themselves and their family", not for the govt to give them handouts.

My best evidence, yet.

From the fyp stupidity on, this thread is crap.

On the repeal, we'll run on the need for appeal but the reality of an incremental change to get there, in terms of votes on the hill.

We'll really run on the absurdity of anyone believing in a government solution and exacerbating that by pretending it would be economy neutral.
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For the vast majority of folks, including Republicans, it is, and will be in 2012, the economy.

But a large segment of the Tea Party is simply white middle class America, afraid, and pushing back.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Your tired and misguided attempt to make the Tea Party mainstream is almost as funny as your being down with Joe Six.
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[droski]

i agree with law. it is fear. it's fear of getting taxed to death to pay for a bunch of lazy mofos. i would be lying if i didn't say obama scares the crap out of me.

 

[Vol Mania 21]

No, a significant part of the protest you see in the Tea Parties is not about policy, its about the traditionally most powerful groups expressing their fear as they lose the power.




You aren't reading closely enough. I'm not saying that people go around proclaiming "I don't like Obama because he's black." Rather, they say that Obama represents the intersts of the people who always have a hand out asking for something for nothing, that he is entrenching a bottom-up mentality into the relationship between the government and the economy.

The Tea Party folks -- not all but some -- have this outrage they can barely express sometimes. Its fear. As they watch the country change before their eyes into something far different than Ozzie and Harriet and Leave it to Beaver.

They see all of it as related. And no, I am not speaking for them. Look at the threads on this board. Its all there.





Racism used to be fairly apparent. Its not being experessed in those terms any more.





My best evidence, yet.






For the vast majority of folks, including Republicans, it is, and will be in 2012, the economy.

But a large segment of the Tea Party is simply white middle class America, afraid, and pushing back.

so does that make me a racist? sorry i don't want to be a socialist country. good to see that you are all for it

 

[BigPapaVol]

i agree with law. it is fear. it's fear of getting taxed to death to pay for a bunch of lazy mofos

Not just fear, but fear that whites will no longer be the majority. Terrifying.

We want to address the borders only because we are afraid that our percentages will decline faster.

We hate government solutions because there are black people.

We think Obama's socialism is a problem because there are going to be more people of color down the road.

Yadda, yadda, yadda ad infinitum.
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[KB5252]

America fears the reckless economic policy that we have had to deal with over the last 10 years, it is not sustainable and the country senses it even if they don't understand it. Many realize that expanding entitlement programs are the exact opposite of what a country in our position should be doing at this particular time. For far too long we as a country have had the mentality of paying on borrowed money and passing the bill onto the next generation. We realize that sooner rather than later this ponzi scheme will unravel and government simply doesn't get it.

Who cares about Ozzi and Harriet, the country moved past that long ago and 99.99% of the country has accepted and embraced that change. Most of the nation wants a fiscally responsible government but we as a nation have come to except the notion that being fiscally responsible matters less than the party in power, as long as your party is running things. If this wasn't true then both Obama and Bush would have been blasted by their respective party. Make all the excuses you want LG, marginalize whoever you want to, in the end it really only serves to make you look foolish given the circumstances and further exposes how out of touch you are in many cases.

 

[BigPapaVol]

If you people up in here would just admit that all concerns about our current socialist slide are rooted in racism, this non-lubed arse reaming would be a lot easier on you.

You know who you are.

 

[droski]

was i the only one that thought that the ultimate goal of keeping minorities down was understood and didn't need to be stated?

 

[BigPapaVol]

was i the only one that thought that the ultimate goal of keeping minorities down was understood and didn't need to be stated?

looks like LG was the only one who didn't get the memo, cause he let the cat out.

 

[lawgator1]

If you people up in here would just admit that all concerns about our current socialist slide are rooted in racism, this non-lubed arse reaming would be a lot easier on you.

You know who you are.

I'm not saying it is so much racial animosity as it is using race as a proxy for underclass. The better blacks and minorities do, the more of them there are relative to whites, the more anxious the traditional upper class gets.

 

[droski]

what country are you in where blacks and minorities are doing better?

 

[T-TownVol]

I'm not saying it is so much racial animosity as it is using race as a proxy for underclass. The better blacks and minorities do, the more of them there are relative to whites, the more anxious the traditional upper class gets.

Pure stupidity

 

[KB5252]

I'm not saying it is so much racial animosity as it is using race as a proxy for underclass. The better blacks and minorities do, the more of them there are relative to whites, the more anxious the traditional upper class gets.

This is total horse shat, it doesn't make any sense. The right wants all people to be more self sufficient and prosperous. If they are they rely less on the government (a major sticking point to conservatism). Your post is counter intuitive, but then again I bet you have some conspiracy theory about conservatives to account for that as well.

If you truly believe what you posted above to be true then you must also believe that democrats want the poor to stay poor and be dependent on them for political purposes then right?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

This is total horse shat, it doesn't make any sense. The right wants all people to be more self sufficient and prosperous. If they are they rely less on the government (a major sticking point to conservatism). Your post is counter intuitive, but then again I bet you have some conspiracy theory about conservatives to account for that as well.

If you truly believe what you posted above to be true then you must also believe that democrats want the poor to stay poor and be dependent on them for political purposes then right?

+1

:hi:

 

[lawgator1]

The upper class views it as a zero sum game. For every dollar spent on programs delivering good and services to the lower classes, they view that as a dollar out of their pockets in taxes and for which they receive no return.

The debate is whether they get no return.

 

[droski]

The upper class views it as a zero sum game. For every dollar spent on programs delivering good and services to the lower classes, they view that as a dollar out of their pockets in taxes and for which they receive no return.

The debate is whether they get no return.

you've never answered my question. if these things help minorities than why has the income gap widened since they have been implemented when it was narrowing before? or by your theory is throwing money at people the definition of helping htem.