Gov. Lee announces permitless gun legislation

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NCFisher said:
We can insist people intending to carry a deadly weapon can handle with basic safety, perhaps learn a teeeeeny bit about using deadly force, and cut down some on the liable cases and unintentional shootings. Maybe even save a few more lives.

I think both our concepts are dandy ideas and one doesn't exclude the other.
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You can't insist on that now. You do not realize how many around you already carry without a permit. Your arguments are nothing more than strawmen/women meant to say but, but, but muh feelz.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
The constitution says citizens can keep and bear arms. It doesn't say they have to know anything about them.
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But gun permits do not infringe upon lawful gun ownership. Permits merely serve as a check. Arguing that the requirement of a permit violates the 2nd Amendment is silly.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
But gun permits do not infringe upon lawful gun ownership. Permits merely serve as a check. Arguing that the requirement of a permit violates the 2nd Amendment is silly.
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A permit, at a minimum, is about $100 for the class and then some fee to obtain. I think the last time I renewed mine in TN it was over $100. If you don't see that as an infringement then let's charge an equal amount to vote. $50 a year for voter registration where you are finger printed and undergo an in depth background check to get your yearly Voters Registration card.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
A permit, at a minimum, is about $100 for the class and then some fee to obtain. I think the last time I renewed mine in TN it was over $100. If you don't see that as an infringement then let's charge an equal amount to vote. $50 a year for voter registration where you are finger printed and undergo an in depth background check to get your yearly Voters Registration card.
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Like I said, this has been court tested... and the only people who would whine about the fee for a permit, are probably the people who aren't paying for their firearm either.
 
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hog88 said:
Courts were wrong. If I don't have the money to buy a permit it's infringing on my right.
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If you don't have the money for a permit, how do you have the money for a damn gun? Are guns given away? There is a cost for everything... including something that is a right.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Like I said, this has been court tested... and the only people who would whine about the fee for a permit, are probably the people who aren't paying for their firearm either.
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Ah, I see, you have no backup so you resort to bull chit. Your last statement if made from pure liberal ignorance. The courts are wrong, plain and simple. You should have to pay for a voter's registration card the same as a gun permit. The fact that you can't see the fallacy in your argument is telling.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
A check for what? Do you really think a felon is gonna apply for a permit or try to buy a gun legally? It’s simply a cash grab.
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That is beside the point. You can't legislate based on what you think people who are breaking the law will do in response to laws.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Ah, I see, you have no backup so you resort to bull chit. Your last statement if made from pure liberal ignorance. The courts are wrong, plain and simple. You should have to pay for a voter's registration card the same as a gun permit. The fact that you can't see the fallacy in your argument is telling.
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LOL. Good luck with this argument... and the talk about voter registration cards is the same thing though. I believe that voter registration cards should be required. It is not consistent to argue that one is constitutional but the other is not.

Now, if you want to argue that permits should be free? Maybe... but to argue that they violate the 2nd Amendment is just wrong.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Well they were. I am entitled to my opinion the same way you are entitled to troll this thread. That's simply all you are doing now is trolling.
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Posting what you don't want to read is not trolling. It is a fact that gun permits have been ruled to be constitutional. They are not an infringement upon lawful gun ownership... but merely a check.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Is there any training required to obtain a voter registration card?
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You're deflecting. If paying for an ID to vote is infringing upon the right to vote why isn't a requirement to purchase a carry permit an infringement on the right to bear arms?

As a matter of fact you just destroyed your own argument.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Posting what you don't want to read is not trolling. It is a fact that gun permits have been ruled to be constitutional. They are not an infringement upon lawful gun ownership... but merely a check.
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They may not be unconstitutional the same way a voter's registration card is. I am willing to bet that were the costs involved challenged in the SCOTUS they would be found unconstitutional. Give Trump another 4 years and I may challenge them.
 
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