Grade UT vs Ole Miss game

#51
#51
Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 1, 2005 11:14 PM
I know it's not cool nowadays, but I think football was meant to be played with a fullback.
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you're right, it's not cool.
 
#52
#52
you think the O-line wasn't opening holes wide enough because of a short week and I would say they might be a little banged up after bashing heads with the bayou bengals (just a thought)
 
#53
#53
Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 1, 2005 11:13 PM
I have been saying this all season.  Ditch the fullback and go with either a tight end or 4 wide receivers.  All these backs run better as a single back because they find the running and arent forced to follow the lead block hoping a hole opens up.
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You will not win in the SEC or against top teams without a fullback.

UT is NOT a 1 back offense. UT is I formation and that entails a fullback.

Fire JRS and get a real O-Line coach and the line will open holes again!
 
#54
#54
Originally posted by volmanjr@Oct 1, 2005 11:16 PM
you think the O-line wasn't opening holes wide enough because of a short week and I would say they might be a little banged up after bashing heads with the bayou bengals (just a thought)
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I will give you that but like I said in the other thread it's not like they have looked like world beaters running the ball in any of our other games.
 
#55
#55
Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 1, 2005 11:14 PM
I know it's not cool nowadays, but I think football was meant to be played with a fullback.
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your right because the young people are like the players nowadays have no concept of fundamentals or the fact that some things are essential. The 1 back offense is a fad and everyone loves a fad.

Remember the run and shoot?
It was a fad and has died
 
#56
#56
Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 1, 2005 11:20 PM
I will give you that but like I said in the other thread it's not like they have looked like world beaters running the ball in any of our other games.
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Especially in short yardage or inside the 10.
 
#57
#57
Originally posted by Vol67@Oct 1, 2005 11:23 PM
Remember the run and shoot?
It was a fad and has died
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Exactly what I was thinking about.
 
#58
#58
Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 1, 2005 9:49 PM
I'm not following you.  Are you saying you don't like the zone plays and would rather run to a specific hole?
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No I'm saying our backfield doesn't burst through the line as it should, we either wait for an opening to develop, or run horizontally until an opening develops, I was at the Bama game last year and I remember Darby was running straight up the middle and fighting for every inch, I can’t say our backs do the same. I watched a couple of Cedric Houston’s games while on the Jet’s and he did the same thing, a spoiled back waiting for the O-line to break open a hole so he can fly up the field.
 
#59
#59
Originally posted by Vol67@Oct 1, 2005 11:20 PM
You will not win in the SEC or against top teams without a fullback.

UT is NOT a 1 back offense. UT is I formation and that entails a fullback.

Fire JRS and get a real O-Line coach and the line will open holes again!
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Georgia does it and has been doing it the last couple of years.
They dont use a fullback.

Florida doesnt use one now.

UT won the sugar bowl in 86 with one of the best season ever using a singble back set.
 
#60
#60
Georgia especially runs a lot of 2 back sets and runs more I this year than in the past due to that stable of running backs that they've got this year.

....and do you really want to hold up Florida as an example right now? :D
 
#61
#61
Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 1, 2005 11:30 PM
Georgia does it and has been doing it the last couple of years.
They dont use a fullback.

Florida doesnt use one now.

UT won the sugar bowl in 86 with one of the best season ever using a singble back set.
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UGA does use a Fullback
From thier Depth Chart:
FB 36 Brannan Southerland 6-0 235 RFr.
9 Tony Milton 5-11 200 Sr.

UT also had a Fullback in that game
 
#62
#62
Originally posted by Vol67@Oct 1, 2005 11:23 PM
your right because the young people are like the players nowadays have no concept of fundamentals or the fact that some things are essential. The 1 back offense is a fad and everyone loves a fad.

Remember the run and shoot?
It was a fad and has died
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I think Joe Gibbs pretty much proved to the world in the 80's winning super bowls that the single back formation is not a fad. He used 3 wr's and a tight end with a single back offense and won 2 super bowls with it.
 
#63
#63
Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 1, 2005 11:36 PM
I think Joe Gibbs pretty much proved to the world in the 80's winning super bowls that the single back formation is not a fad.  He used 3 wr's and a tight end with a single back offense and won 2 super bowls with it.
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True, but he also used 2 TE's a lot and the hallmark of the Redskins was power football. Heck, they basically invented the Counter Trey.

I can't speak for 67, but all I'm saying is that while you can definitely have sets with 3,4,5 wides and run them a lot, you had better be able to pound the football in crunch time if you want to win.
 
#64
#64
Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 1, 2005 11:36 PM
I think Joe Gibbs pretty much proved to the world in the 80's winning super bowls that the single back formation is not a fad.  He used 3 wr's and a tight end with a single back offense and won 2 super bowls with it.
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Your comparing apples and oranges now. There are a lot of things that work in pro ball that won't in college.
 
#65
#65
Originally posted by Vol67@Oct 1, 2005 11:55 PM
Your comparing apples and oranges now. There are a lot of things that work in pro ball that won't in college.
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IMO with the speed of the defensive players today its gonna only get harder to run with a fullback.

It used to be you saw power sweeps all the time. Going for 10, 15 yds at a time. Teams running the option, etc. You just dont see teams being successful with it a lot anymore because of the speed of todays players.

For the same reason you have problems running with the fullback. There might have been a hole when the fullback get there for the lead block but that hole is collapsing around him. Yeah, maybe he gets a good lead block but you got 2 more outside backers collapsing and the safety coming up, the hole is collapsing around him.

Thats the reason I like the single back. You give the running back a chance to hit that hole first and to use his vision of the entire field. If everyone is collapsing on that hole then he breaks outside. By the time he realizes the fullback isnt getting a good lead block the whole defense is collapsing around him.
 
#66
#66
I can't believe anyone would give the DL anything less than an A just because of a 56 yd run in the meaningless time late... because you know how many TOTAL rushing yards they gave up today? 50!!! FIFTY!!! So before that run? NEGATIVE 8 RUSHING YARDS. Unheard of. That's like me getting mad in NCAA 06 just because I gave up a big play while winning 84-7. BIG DEAL! 50 yards rushing is a beautiful thing.
 
#67
#67
here is how the tennessean graded them.

Sunday, 10/02/05

UT report card


OFFENSE

Outside of Gerald Riggs and the offensive line, there wasn't much special about what the Vols did. Only one of UT's touchdowns came from an offensive drive. QB Rick Clausen never found a rhythm after starting quickly. Where are the big plays by the receivers?
GRADE: C

DEFENSE

The Vols' starters were seething when Mico Mc-Swain broke loose on a 56-yard run late in the game. Until then, UT was on track to set a school record for fewest rushing yards allowed. There's been a lot of talk about the front seven, but the secondary has also played well.
GRADE: A-




SPECIAL TEAMS

It was a mixed bag for James Wilhoit. He drilled all but one kickoff into the end zone for four touchbacks, but he also missed field goals from 51 and 44 yards. Punter Britton Colquitt averaged 46 yards on two kicks, and Lucas Taylor looks like he might be a dangerous return man.
GRADE: B

COACHING

Give the entire staff credit for managing last week wisely and having the Vols ready to go yesterday after such a short week. John Chavis' defense continues to carry this team. How much longer can that last? The Vols simply aren't very good right now on offense.
GRADE: B-

 
#68
#68
offense c-
defense a- (no breakdowns or georgia can take advantage)
special teams c- (only becaue britton is it not worse, kicking was terrible)


fans f (a crowd in a stadium this big should be loud)

to respond to the fans. neyland is one of the loudest stadiums. we just need a big game there. we havent had one yet this year. with a big game we will explode. that will be the neyland like last year agaisnt florida.
 
#69
#69
Overall: B

Special Teams: D
Offense: C+
Defense: A

I still think the better QB is on the sidelines, but I realize he is retarted right now so we have to stick with the Bland Rick offense.
 
#70
#70
we will see how rick steps it up in this game. i think he does. i bet the coaches have something planned.
 
#71
#71
Originally posted by Jmxvol@Oct 3, 2005 5:23 PM
Overall: B

Special Teams: D
Offense: C+
Defense: A

I still think the better QB is on the sidelines, but I realize he is retarted right now so we have to stick with the Bland Rick offense.
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retarded??....lol
 

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