Graduation Rates for Top 25 Teams........

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utchatt said:
UTCHATT= one winning season in the past 15 years. Last year 6-5 good year!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, they're kind of like TTU up in Cookeville. My parents live there. The joke is you can't even give away seaso tickets.
 
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GVF said:
Yeah, they're kind of like TTU up in Cookeville. My parents live there. The joke is you can't even give away seaso tickets.
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I think the atheletic department stand son I-75 giving away season tickets to anyone entering the county.
 
#54
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utchatt said:
I think the atheletic department stand son I-75 giving away season tickets to anyone entering the county.
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Yeah, well entering Hamilton County from any direction is very hazardous. I would not stop to get the tickets myself.
 
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lawgator1 said:
On first point, oh, okay, misunderstood. My apologies.

On Thomas, now I have to kill you. You know full well that I am deeply troubled by that shooting incident and have my doubts about whether the right result was reached. But I confess I don't know everything I need to know to make a judgment. Suffice it to say, any time there's kids and guns like these involved -- even if innocent in that particular incident -- I am VERY worried about what else is going on.

As to Thomas, I know even less. All I know is he failed two tests, was suspended after the first and has been suspended after the second. There are now two different issues at work.

The first is whether the appropriate coaching staff person was aware of the second positive result before the UT game such that an argument can be made that he ought to have been suspended earlier. I don't know if that is the case. Haven't seen anything on it. If you have, I'd like to read it because it does make a difference to me and would bother me if they "sat" on that result just to play him against UT. (I am NOT saying, even if that were true, that UT has a right to complain. As indicated here before, the rules at issue are internal and not inended to benefit the opposition. What would bother me is the principle whereby acting on the result is delayed for competitive reasons.)

The second issue is whether the second positive result relfects the same usage for which he got suspended after the first positive result. He is claiming that. There is an appeal. Last I heard they were going to go back and re-analyze the samples to see if that might be the case. If you know the result, I'd like to know it, too. If he's lying, as good a football player as he is, good riddance. In fact, I'd suspend him for the entire year for lying in the appeal, if in fact that were the case.
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Sounds plausible.Actually, any program whereby an athlete fails for a second time, I don't get it.I mean, heck they lock people up (normal people) all the time who are on probation that fail the urine test.It just doesn't sit well with me.Especially when I personally know poor kids have spent time 45 days to two years for minor offenses and the lack of a "Good Attorney".Pre-Madonnas I suppose.:dunno:
 
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One other thing I forgot to mention. These graduation "rates" also project a misguided view that these athletes that leave early have "used and abused" the institutions of higher learning completely for their selfish personal gain.

Florida, Tennessee, Georgia or whomever, do not give "Johnny All-Star" a scholarship for his love of Math or Chemistry. They give him a free ride for one thing. WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES!!

I'm tired of the opinion that the school is duped by these athletes. The Universities use these players for their program prestige and conference championships!

As long as any of us football fans tune into the NFL on Sundays, then there will be a market for these players to leave school early for, and that's not their fault, it's ours!
 
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#57
I want to know who why someone randomly threw out a supposed fact that only 1 out of 4 freshman end up graduating...AND EVERYONE JUST WENT RIGHT ALONG WITH IT!

The freshman retention rate at UT is right around 80% for 2004. The graduation rate for students who enroll full-time at UT is 58% (this does not account for students who transfer.)

The NCAA Grad index does not penalize a school for athletes that go pro early or transfer. This is where the school grad rate and the football one differentiate. To lose points in the NCAA index, the players must leave the university either on academic probation or have failed out. When transfers are taken into account, the UT football team graduation rate falls to around 40% (or a 18% difference from the student body.)

This being said, the football coaching staff at UT graduates close enough to the same percentage of pupils that the rest of the university does. I do not have a problem with that.
 
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utchatt said:
You could care less if a player graduates? Remember the players are there to get an education.
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The players, just like every student at UT, are at the university to gain some greater skill and/credentials in order to get a good job. For most students, the credentials they seek are degrees. For others, it is their performance against the best amateur athletes in their respective sports.
 
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therealUT said:
The players, just like every student at UT, are at the university to gain some greater skill and/credentials in order to get a good job. For most students, the credentials they seek are degrees. For others, it is their performance against the best amateur athletes in their respective sports.
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But part of their obligation when they sign the scholarship is to go to school and make at least a 2.0. And I will say it again I have no problem with someone leaving to go to the pros.
 
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therealUT said:
The NCAA Grad index does not penalize a school for athletes that go pro early or transfer. This is where the school grad rate and the football one differentiate. To lose points in the NCAA index, the players must leave the university either on academic probation or have failed out.
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Then they've changed a very important part of their prior measurement. A player had five years to graduate or else. A player could exhaust their four years, be within a few years of hours of graduation, go to Europe to play pro hoops, and that would count against your numbers. If the NCAA has made such a reasonable change, I am both shocked and appreciative. I would like to see that substantiated.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Then they've changed a very important part of their prior measurement. A player had five years to graduate or else. A player could exhaust their four years, be within a few years of hours of graduation, go to Europe to play pro hoops, and that would count against your numbers. If the NCAA has made such a reasonable change, I am both shocked and appreciative. I would like to see that substantiated.
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Here is the proof:
In the second year of a new formula to calculate rates...

Athletes who leave school early are counted against the school as having failed to graduate only if they flunk out or were on academic probation when they left.

The Washington Post
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therealUT said:
Here is the proof:
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That doesn't address what I'm talking about. The scenario addressing occurs where a player plays his entire four years, is short of a degree but in good academic standing, then doesn't complete the degree within five years. Are you telling me that the NCAA has removed the five year clock for measuring graduation rates?
 
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hatvol96 said:
That doesn't address what I'm talking about. The scenario addressing occurs where a player plays his entire four years, is short of a degree but in good academic standing, then doesn't complete the degree within five years. Are you telling me that the NCAA has removed the five year clock for measuring graduation rates?
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If they have not removed it, they have at least lengthened it to six years.
 
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