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#27
#27
DC Vol said:
Tom Brady goes out in 2008 and Cassel, a guy who hadn't started a game since High School goes for almost 3700 yards, 21 TD, 11 INT. Pats post a record of 11-5. Brady was missed, but not crucial. People knew this before Manning went out, so I don't know why folks are surprised.


Bellichick is the Patriots. Not Brady.
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I have long wondered what Manning and Brady's careers would look like if you swapped them and gave Manning Belichick for his whole career and you gave Brady Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, and Jim Caldwell.

Dungy in particular should send Manning a thank-you card every single day of his life.
 
#29
#29
Vercingetorix said:
I have long wondered what Manning and Brady's careers would look like if you swapped them and gave Manning Belichick for his whole career and you gave Brady Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, and Jim Caldwell.

Dungy in particular should send Manning a thank-you card every single day of his life.
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I like this post. I just can't believe the Colts had the same problems for a decade and never addressed them. Brady has always had a pretty good defense, which is why he's won more Championships.
 
#30
#30
Vercingetorix said:
I have long wondered what Manning and Brady's careers would look like if you swapped them and gave Manning Belichick for his whole career and you gave Brady Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, and Jim Caldwell.

Dungy in particular should send Manning a thank-you card every single day of his life.
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Manning allowed Dungy to live his "Its a Wonderful Life" existence. Colts are seeing now what life without Manning would have been. Amazing to me that coaching staffs didn't see this. This 'defense built to play with a lead' is nonsense, a good defense can play against run or pass and should be independent of how the offense is built.
 
#32
#32
HSVol said:
The Colts aren't worse than KC and Seattle. I don't think it's even close at this point.

No EB or Charles in KC and Seattle has literally nothing. Seattle has fewer playmakers than KC.
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I'm not sure how you can get much worse than getting absolutely destroyed by Texans (without their best offensive player), and then losing by 8 at home to Browns. I'd say at this point they look equally bad.
 
#33
#33
nbakerld said:
I'm not sure how you can get much worse than getting absolutely destroyed by Texans (without their best offensive player), and then losing by 8 at home to Browns. I'd say at this point they look equally bad.
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Arian Foster is a better player than Andre Johnson?
 
#34
#34
volfanjustin said:
Arian Foster is a better player than Andre Johnson?
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Sorry, you are right. He's not their best offensive player, but he was rated the 12th best offensive player in the entire NFL last year, by his peers. So he would be the best offensive player on 21 teams.
 
#35
#35
With due respect to Arian Foster, the Texans run the same zone run blocking scheme as the Broncos of the 90s that produced Terrell Davis. It turns average RBs to good RBs and good RBs to elite RBs. Ben Tate had a huge week one and a big preseason.
 
#36
#36
nbakerld said:
I'm not sure how you can get much worse than getting absolutely destroyed by Texans (without their best offensive player), and then losing by 8 at home to Browns. I'd say at this point they look equally bad.
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The chiefs are averaging 5 total points a game I think...
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#37
#37
The game Colts fans need to circle on the calendar is in three weeks...KC comes to Indy.

If the Colts lose that game (they play Pittsburgh and TB the next two weeks...probable losses), then it's time to REALLY worry. But then, if you get beat by KC, it's almost a good thing because it makes it much more likely that they'll draft Luck, which is almost like winning the lottery at this point.

Anyway, it's bad. I disagree that you pass up Luck because of a few more years of PM. Let him learn under the master. Plus, with the latest rumor about PM and experimental European stem cell treatment, it doesn't sound good.
 
#38
#38
HSVol said:
The game Colts fans need to circle on the calendar is in three weeks...KC comes to Indy.

If the Colts lose that game (they play Pittsburgh and TB the next two weeks...probable losses), then it's time to REALLY worry. But then, if you get beat by KC, it's almost a good thing because it makes it much more likely that they'll draft Luck, which is almost like winning the lottery at this point.

Anyway, it's bad. I disagree that you pass up Luck because of a few more years of PM. Let him learn under the master. Plus, with the latest rumor about PM and experimental European stem cell treatment, it doesn't sound good.
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I want to win every game and was cussing and throwing objects yesterday just like any other game but if at the end of the year the record is a bad as I think it could be I would rather lose to the Chiefs and make sure we get the first pick. I don't want to be in a position to be terrible and get the 3rd pick or something like that and miss what most think is the next Peyton.
 
#39
#39
People think he's likely going to be good but I haven't heard anyone say he's the next manning
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#40
#40
HSVol said:
With due respect to Arian Foster, the Texans run the same zone run blocking scheme as the Broncos of the 90s that produced Terrell Davis. It turns average RBs to good RBs and good RBs to elite RBs. Ben Tate had a huge week one and a big preseason.
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Seems like every team should do a zone then. Ben Tate is no slouch. He was the 4th RB (2nd round) taken last year. Steve Slaton, Ryan Moats, and Chris Brown didn't do jack the year before Foster blew up, so maybe reassess the theory. Indy and Miami aren't very good D's, so we don't really know if we should be impressed that Tate emerged from those 2 games with 219 yards and 1 TD.
 
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#43
Vercingetorix said:
I have long wondered what Manning and Brady's careers would look like if you swapped them and gave Manning Belichick for his whole career and you gave Brady Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, and Jim Caldwell.

Dungy in particular should send Manning a thank-you card every single day of his life.
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If that happened then brady would get the same offense his whole career like manning. He would also get consistently more talent around him on offense with the exception of 2007.
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#44
#44
nbakerld said:
That's exactly what I've heard people saying (not Tenn fans, of course).
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Vols fans I presume you mean


That brings up an interesting question: what would it take for us to realistically dub someone the next manning (outside of recruiting hype)? Has Bray, for example, done enough that he should warrant the comparisons? And just how good would someone from another school have to be for us to accept it?


....sorry went off a bit there
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#46
#46
I've heard a lot of Luck/Manning comparisons. More than a lot, that's about the only thing I've heard about him. That's why it's called "The Andrew Luck Sweepstakes", IMO.

Also, this thread needs to be merged, IMO.
 
#47
#47
VolBuck24 said:
If that happened then brady would get the same offense his whole career like manning. He would also get consistently more talent around him on offense with the exception of 2007.
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Maybe more talented weapons, but as far as O-line goes, Brady's guys are the more talented, and it's not even close.
 
#48
#48
nbakerld said:
Maybe more talented weapons, but as far as O-line goes, Brady's guys are the more talented, and it's not even close.
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In recent years yes, but over the course of their careers ill go with mannings.
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#49
#49
Luck is by far the best qb prospect out there, but by no means the only good one.
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