Greatest Threat Facing US

What is the largest threat facing America?

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#27
#27
lol its not a code word.. in my opinion zionism is the biggest threat to America
 
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#28
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NEOCON said:
who voted these morons in?


It's like blaming the retard for burning the house down when someone let the retard play with fire.
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I agree.

The electorate is totally at fault. We could have reined this all in years ago. We would rather have our freebies and goodies.

Bread and circuses.

It's a vicious circle. Congress uses tax dollars to buy votes. We vote for them. They use our tax dollars to buy more votes...

This has led to our budgets, deficits, tax issues, etc.

We are talking about the same thing. You are just going back one link further in the chain.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I remember when I was in high school, we used to vodka in our mouth. :unsure:
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We used Vodka in our SunDrop!

Vodka is a much better mixer than beer.

I remember one time, we had leftover beer from a camping party we had on the backside of one of my friends farm. The next day, he and I took the left over beer (wasn't much) and mixed it with Gatorade to sneak it into the Fair. We had this idea that since gatorade was supposed to get in your system so fast that it would help get the alcohol in our systems faster.

I do not recommend that.
 
#35
#35
Because we elect inept money handlers we've handed a large chunk of our treasure to some pretty good money handlers and they've used it to build anti-ship missiles and a submarine fleet. The Chinese didn't have any real number of subs before 2000, now they have enough to put a loose ring around Taiwan. Anyone want to guess the best way to defeat a carrier group.

Plus they are spreading their economic influence around their neighborhood pretty successfully. Everywhere I travelled in Asia and the Pacific I seemed to be 2 steps behind the Chinese. This was especially true in rising economies like Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia.

The Chinese are very patient and think long term. You don't need to learn mandarin but your grandkids might if we don't pull our heads out of our seats.
 
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GAVol said:
Damn hippie.
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Serious about the first part, actually. The OWS might hate corporate America for profiteering or blocking the public option or other stupid stuff like that, but it's also the same force that keeps things like competitive market reform and meaningful tax reform from happening.
 
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Weezy said:
I read this the other day and I think if you couple it with the amount of Social Security and Medicare liabilities coming up, and the general inability of politicians or people in general to look out for their long term interests, the future is looking, economically fairly grim. The only positive I can find is that America is still pretty awesome and we are almost too big to fail.
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I agree with a lot of what the article said. But does anyone honestly see the govt seriously addressing, not to mention fixing, our debt issue over the next 10 years?

I certainly don't. Obama has already proven he in't concerned. No one seems interested in doing anything about it. Each side seems content with blaming the other.

Too big to fail..... subtle sarcasm? :)
 
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TheDeeble said:
I agree with a lot of what the article said. But does anyone honestly see the govt seriously addressing, not to mention fixing, our debt issue over the next 10 years?

I certainly don't. Obama has already proven he in't concerned. No one seems interested in doing anything about it. Each side seems content with blaming the other.
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It makes me somewhat upset. I certainly admit I'm young, and I've been wrong many a times before. But I don't see this ending well. In fact, I'm scared to think about what we might be dealing with in 15 years when I'm trying to raise a family and we are faced with massive inflation amongst other problems.

We need political change, but it's actually getting worse. How is this possible, who's responsible for making sure everything goes right to the point to where every candidate is a complete piece of ****. It's really the perfect storm.

That's why 23.9 hours of the day I choose to ignore it.
 
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Weezy said:
It makes me somewhat upset. I certainly admit I'm young, and I've been wrong many a times before. But I don't see this ending well. In fact, I'm scared to think about what we might be dealing with in 15 years when I'm trying to raise a family and we are faced with massive inflation amongst other problems.

We need political change, but it's actually getting worse. How is this possible, who's responsible for making sure everything goes right to the point to where every candidate is a complete piece of ****. It's really the perfect storm.

That's why 23.9 hours of the day I choose to ignore it.
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I don't see it ending well either. I wish I could ignore it since there's nothing I can really do about it, but I can't. The US has massive debt, and even the interest alone on that debt will be hard to pay in a few years. But nobody wants to address it since it would likely hurt their political careers. So they seem content to let us go down the path of no return since they likely won't be in office when there's no more money games and shenanigans left to kick the can down the road.

My concern isn't will it be bad, but how bad will it be? Will it just be high inflation or stagflation or something where the economy sucks for 10-15 years, or will it truly be a shtf scenario where the dollar becomes worthless and our economic system collapses ( and I mean genuinely worthless, not low valued vs other currencies). I don't know.
 
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milohimself said:
Serious about the first part, actually. The OWS might hate corporate America for profiteering or blocking the public option or other stupid stuff like that, but it's also the same force that keeps things like competitive market reform and meaningful tax reform from happening.
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That problem is never going to go away as long as we have corporations and an over-reaching government. Since we don't want to make corporations go away, the issue is with over-reaching government, IMO.
 
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nbakerld said:
That problem is never going to go away as long as we have corporations and an over-reaching government. Since we don't want to make corporations go away, the issue is with over-reaching government, IMO.
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It's a symbiotic relationship, dude. I don't believe government just grows for its own sake, I think if you look closely enough at nearly every government overreach, there is a vested non-government entity of some sort (individual, corporation or group of corporations) pulling the strings.

Politicians then become vested in going along with whatever those interests might because one has to sell out to become a politician in the first place through private campaign finance, then sell out again as a legislator through spending 60% of the time of any legislative session only having lucrative conversations (lobbyists), then getting a cushy seven or eight figure salary with a group for whom they've spent their whole political career tilting the field one way or another in their favor.

You think the size of government is far too big, that's fine. I'm telling you that you will never, in your lifetime, see the size of government reduced meaningfully and specifically in a way to create freer markets, just by voting in such and such politician. Anyone who can ever get in a position to create some sort of meaningful change is going to be bought off by that point.

Yes, I realize that unlimited private campaign finance and unlimited lobbying might truly be the freest forms of speech, but this burdensome government with all its tax and market distortions is the price.
 
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milohimself said:
It's a symbiotic relationship, dude. I don't believe government just grows for its own sake, I think if you look closely enough at nearly every government overreach, there is a vested non-government entity of some sort (individual, corporation or group of corporations) pulling the strings.

Politicians then become vested in going along with whatever those interests might because one has to sell out to become a politician in the first place through private campaign finance, then sell out again as a legislator through spending 60% of the time of any legislative session only having lucrative conversations (lobbyists), then getting a cushy seven or eight figure salary with a group for whom they've spent their whole political career tilting the field one way or another in their favor.

You think the size of government is far too big, that's fine. I'm telling you that you will never, in your lifetime, see the size of government reduced meaningfully and specifically in a way to create freer markets, just by voting in such and such politician. Anyone who can ever get in a position to create some sort of meaningful change is going to be bought off by that point.

Yes, I realize that unlimited private campaign finance and unlimited lobbying might truly be the freest forms of speech, but this burdensome government with all its tax and market distortions is the price.
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Government uses the law to screw us over. Powerful corporations use the law to screw us over. There are significant differences:

- Government is authorized to use force to screw us over.

- Powerful corporations still must provide us with goods and services that we freely choose to consume for them to stay powerful.

The bulk of the issue is with government, IMO. If I'm wrong and you are right, and corporations are the bigger part of the problem, I still don't know of any way it can possibly be fixed without shrinking government.
 
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#50
I'm with you that the size of government needs to be reduced. I agree wholeheartedly. But specifically in a way that allows markets to operate freely.

Fun fact: In all federal elections in 2008, the campaign who had better funding won 95% of the time. It was still north of 90% in 2010.
 
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