"Half Season" Martin Pre February Record

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SJAVol32 said:
This is the same man that sits in the recruiting forum getting proven wrong and making up bs.
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Not seen the made up stuff but it always cracks me up watching him overreact to small details....

EX.

Such and such recruit ate cheerios and Coach Z loves cheerios...He is definitely coming to Tennessee.....What he used skim milk...oh no CWM loves skim milk, he is definitely going to Florida. Bruin will argue back and forth with himself constantly on a issue.
 
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Not that this point hasn't been made, but I just don't get judging someone on half a season, as others have said it just seems like some made up requirement.

I'm fully aware of our historically slow starts under Martin, and I think we all hoped we would kick those aside this year. Unfortunately it hasn't happened and once again we started slowly, but still better then the previous 2 years. I don't see anybody jumping up and down with joy at our current position, but I also think it's a bit of an overreaction to call the season a failure and call for a firing at this point.

Here's how we sat on January 23rd each of Martin's 3 seasons at Tennessee:

2011-2012: 9-10 (1-3) RPI 163

2012-2013: 9-7 (1-3) RPI 93

2013-2014: 12-6 (3-2) RPI 48


People want to say we are in the same position as last year, because last year we were a bubble team and at this point we are a bubble, albeit a better positioned bubble team. The difference IMO is that, this time last year or the year before, we were not a bubble team or really even close to being a bubble team. It took strong closing runs, as Bruin elaborated on in the other thread 16-4 post February, to really even get into the conversation.

So, say we lose to Florida and beat Ole Miss, we are sitting at 13-7 heading into February which is where Martin has historically got his teams playing their best. If he follows pattern and goes 9-2 like history suggests, and it is a soft closing schedule the Vols have, we would be 22-9 to end the season.

At 22-9 (13-5) the Vols almost certainly finish top 4 in the SEC, get a 1st round bye in the SECT, and are playing solely for seeding. Depending on what they did in the SECT could be anywhere from a 5 seed to 9 seed IMO.

So my point basically is, at 13-7 I won't write the Vols off, especially considering how Martin has typically got his teams playing post February. We are currently better than we have been either of his previous 2 season, and would still be in position to get into the dance with a solid seed.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Not that this point hasn't been made, but I just don't get judging someone on half a season, as others have said it just seems like some made up requirement.

I'm fully aware of our historically slow starts under Martin, and I think we all hoped we would kick those aside this year. Unfortunately it hasn't happened and once again we started slowly, but still better then the previous 2 years. I don't see anybody jumping up and down with joy at our current position, but I also think it's a bit of an overreaction to call the season a failure and call for a firing at this point.

Here's how we sat on January 23rd each of Martin's 3 seasons at Tennessee:

2011-2012: 9-10 (1-3) RPI 163

2012-2013: 9-7 (1-3) RPI 93

2013-2014: 12-6 (3-2) RPI 48


People want to say we are in the same position as last year, because last year we were a bubble team and at this point we are a bubble, albeit a better positioned bubble team. The difference IMO is that, this time last year or the year before, we were not a bubble team or really even close to being a bubble team. It took strong closing runs, as Bruin elaborated on in the other thread 16-4 post February, to really even get into the conversation.

So, say we lose to Florida and beat Ole Miss, we are sitting at 13-7 heading into February which is where Martin has historically got his teams playing their best. If he follows pattern and goes 9-2 like history suggests, and it is a soft closing schedule the Vols have, we would be 22-9 to end the season.

At 22-9 (13-5) the Vols almost certainly finish top 4 in the SEC, get a 1st round bye in the SECT, and are playing solely for seeding. Depending on what they did in the SECT could be anywhere from a 5 seed to 9 seed IMO.

So my point basically is, at 13-7 I won't write the Vols off, especially considering how Martin has typically got his teams playing post February. We are currently better than we have been either of his previous 2 season, and would still be in position to get into the dance with a solid seed.
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Good post!

There is no denying that we are better today than the past two years but again that isn't the measuring stick.

The measuring stick is playing up to potential for an extended period of time.

We aren't close to that and that is the part that had to be fixed over a longer period of time IMO!

With experience and more added talent our potenial is much great than the 1st 2 years.
 
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BruinVol said:
Good post!

There is no denying that we are better today than the past two years but again that isn't the measuring stick.

The measuring stick is playing up to potential for an extended period of time.

We aren't close to that and that is the part that had to be fixed over a longer period of time IMO!

With experience and more added talent our potenial is much great than the 1st 2 years.
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If we are 13-7, but finish 22-9 what would your position be? Already determined because you were dead set on a half season bench mark, or would you consider that a pretty decent season? Or would it depend on SECT performance?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If we are 13-7, but finish 22-9 what would your position be? Already determined because you were dead set on a half season bench mark, or would you consider that a pretty decent season? Or would it depend on SECT performance?
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I would be a silent opponent of CCM being our coach.

He would certainly be off the hot seat but IMO only for a short time.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If we are 13-7, but finish 22-9 what would your position be? Already determined because you were dead set on a half season bench mark, or would you consider that a pretty decent season? Or would it depend on SECT performance?
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My position depends on the Big Dance performance.
 
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BruinVol said:
I would be a silent opponent of CCM being our coach.

He would certainly be off the hot seat but IMO only for a short time.
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And that's fair I suppose. So you would be set in your ways that you don't feel he's a good coach, but would back him for the time being because of his performance.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Not that this point hasn't been made, but I just don't get judging someone on half a season, as others have said it just seems like some made up requirement.

I'm fully aware of our historically slow starts under Martin, and I think we all hoped we would kick those aside this year. Unfortunately it hasn't happened and once again we started slowly, but still better then the previous 2 years. I don't see anybody jumping up and down with joy at our current position, but I also think it's a bit of an overreaction to call the season a failure and call for a firing at this point.

Here's how we sat on January 23rd each of Martin's 3 seasons at Tennessee:

2011-2012: 9-10 (1-3) RPI 163

2012-2013: 9-7 (1-3) RPI 93

2013-2014: 12-6 (3-2) RPI 48


People want to say we are in the same position as last year, because last year we were a bubble team and at this point we are a bubble, albeit a better positioned bubble team. The difference IMO is that, this time last year or the year before, we were not a bubble team or really even close to being a bubble team. It took strong closing runs, as Bruin elaborated on in the other thread 16-4 post February, to really even get into the conversation.

So, say we lose to Florida and beat Ole Miss, we are sitting at 13-7 heading into February which is where Martin has historically got his teams playing their best. If he follows pattern and goes 9-2 like history suggests, and it is a soft closing schedule the Vols have, we would be 22-9 to end the season.

At 22-9 (13-5) the Vols almost certainly finish top 4 in the SEC, get a 1st round bye in the SECT, and are playing solely for seeding. Depending on what they did in the SECT could be anywhere from a 5 seed to 9 seed IMO.

So my point basically is, at 13-7 I won't write the Vols off, especially considering how Martin has typically got his teams playing post February. We are currently better than we have been either of his previous 2 season, and would still be in position to get into the dance with a solid seed.
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The flip side of that is this.....

While we are in better position this year than the past two years to this point, you have to keep in mind that we had two really good runs in the previous years. Without another really strong run this year, we will finish right where we did the past two years: ON THE BUBBLE.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
The flip side of that is this.....

While we are in better position this year than the past two years to this point, you have to keep in mind that we had two really good runs in the previous years. Without another really strong run this year, we will finish right where we did the past two years: ON THE BUBBLE.
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Right, but everyone that's anti Martin has used the argument, this is what he does, this is his track record etc. History suggests that they will finish strong, and if you look at the last 10 games of their schedule, it definitely sets up for a possible run.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Right, but everyone that's anti Martin has used the argument, this is what he does, this is his track record etc. History suggests that they will finish strong, and if you look at the last 10 games of their schedule, it definitely sets up for a possible run.
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Only problem I see with this argument is this dreaded 5 game stretch of +100 teams.
In both previous runs we had bad teams mixed with good teams.
Can these guys motivate themselves to bring it every game thru that stretch?
Lest we regress to the Mercer/ Auburn attitude.
'Why must we play this game?'
 
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calban said:
Only problem I see with this argument is this dreaded 5 game stretch of +100 teams.
In both previous runs we had bad teams mixed with good teams.
Can these guys motivate themselves to bring it every game thru that stretch?
Lest we regress to the Mercer/ Auburn attitude.
'Why must we play this game?'
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Maybe the tourney for the seniors and Stokes becomes motivation, who knows.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Right, but everyone that's anti Martin has used the argument, this is what he does, this is his track record etc. History suggests that they will finish strong, and if you look at the last 10 games of their schedule, it definitely sets up for a possible run.
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The way the schedule lines up a very good run won't be nearly as impressive as the 1st two years. It's a cupcake kind of finish
 
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BruinVol said:
The way the schedule lines up a very good run won't be nearly as impressive as the 1st two years. It's a cupcake kind of finish
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Depending on what Missouri does that could be false. Last year in the final 10 games we played 2 top 50 RPI games, if Missouri is top 50 (they're borderline) that would be 3 top 50 games in our final 10 this year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Depending on what Missouri does that could be false. Last year in the final 10 games we played 2 top 50 RPI games, if Missouri is top 50 (they're borderline) that would be 3 top 50 games in our final 10 this year.
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Agreed but if we beat them they very likely aren't top 50.

It's a double edged sword
 
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