Hallelujah! You've Been Healed!!

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#26
rjd970 said:
This is a pretty narrow view. I know plenty of people that don't believe in God and refute the Bible not because they want to live their life a certain way, but because none of it makes any sense.

It's easier to brand these people as sinners and miscreants than to see what kind of life they live and the moral standards they hold themselves to. They don't live good lives because of fear of punishment or hope of reward after death. And they certainly don't do it based on a set of iron age myths. The same intellectual process that caused them to refute religion and any idea of a personal God is usually the same one that has guided them to live a good life.
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I didnt label everyone with that statement, hence the words A LOT. Not all people that dont believe in God are bad people.
 
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CountVolcula said:
That is true, but its still your choice. He just lets you know the consequences. Kind of like when you tell your kids that somethings gonna hurt before they actually do it, then they come to you crying that it hurt.
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not quite the same. There is empirical proof that stove tops burn. The "worst thing you can imagine" outcome that nobody has seen is a different animal altogether. It's tough for me to imagine anyone "chooses" that option. It's simply that buying much of the seeming fairy tale is tough for people. The OT simply boggles my mind at times.
 
#29
#29
CountVolcula said:
Can you see an atom with the naked eye?
Does that mean it doesnt exist?
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nor does it mean that it does exist. Seems to me that relationship and praise, which God seeks, would be easier if we could use an electron microscope rather than this blind faith thing. Acting as if it's a choice, given that we're typically rational people, is almost crazy to me. I have my reasons that I believe, but calling it rational is a stretch, at best.
 
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LLcoolDave said:
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What a girly throw
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#32
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IPorange said:
I can show you the instruments needed to detect and see an atom. Can you show me one that lets me see an angel, demon, God, etc?
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I think the more important question is can you show me how the atom came to be? As much you try to prove otherwise, you are still putting your faith in something you can't "see"
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ridethelightening said:
I think the more important question is can you show me how the atom came to be? As much you try to prove otherwise, you are still putting your faith in something you can't "see"
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No, because I am not "believing" in an answer without merit. All because I don't have a tangible answer for something doesn't mean I have to make one up, or put stock in one that doesn't make any sense.
 
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IPorange said:
No, because I am not "believing" in an answer without merit. All because I don't have a tangible answer for something doesn't mean I have to make one up, or put stock in one that doesn't make any sense.
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And I'm not asking you to. As far as I know, the Bible wasn't made up. Its validity and historical value has been proven again and again. The values it teaches are not a bad thing. If we all lived as Jesus asked us to, the world would be a better place, agreed?
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#37
#37
I would dare say it is impossible to be a Christian without faith.

I mean the bible speaks over and over again about faith. People can argue with the bible, preachers, etc....what they cannot argue with is what christianity has done with some individuals personally.
 
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ridethelightening said:
And I'm not asking you to. As far as I know, the Bible wasn't made up. Its validity and historical value has been proven again and again. The values it teaches are not a bad thing. If we all lived as Jesus asked us to, the world would be a better place, agreed?
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As Jesus said to? Probably. As Christians would have had us live many times? Definitely not.

You could say the same thing about many people in history as far philosophers go, anyway.

And it is not a fact that the Bible is entirely accurate and valid. There are way too many contradictions for it to be so. While it certainly has historical value, so does Herodotus' writings. You know, the guy known as "the father of lies?" If you want to believe in the Bible and God that is your right, but don't try to pass it off as anything other than blind faith.
 
#40
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IPorange said:
As Jesus said to? Probably. As Christians would have had us live many times? Definitely not.

You could say the same thing about many people in history as far philosophers go, anyway.

And it is not a fact that the Bible is entirely accurate and valid. There are way too many contradictions for it to be so. While it certainly has historical value, so does Herodotus' writings. You know, the guy known as "the father of lies?" If you want to believe in the Bible and God that is your right, but don't try to pass it off as anything other than blind faith.
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Ok, thanks
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#41
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IPorange said:
And it is not a fact that the Bible is entirely accurate and valid. There are way too many contradictions for it to be so. While it certainly has historical value, so does Herodotus' writings. You know, the guy known as "the father of lies?" If you want to believe in the Bible and God that is your right, but don't try to pass it off as anything other than blind faith.
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What contradictions in particular? Everything out there in the realm of science has contradictions. I have a debate with someone who says science is rational and logical. But yet we're talking about "proof" on global warming being forged. Even theories of evolution are being modified with new discoveries. If you are saying things are inaccurate and invalid based on contradictions, you have essentially ruled out every concept out there.
 
#42
#42
IPorange said:
I can show you the instruments needed to detect and see an atom. Can you show me one that lets me see an angel, demon, God, etc?
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-child birth
-how the earth is the exact distance from the sun and axis tilt for life to exist

just for starters
 
#44
#44
at the very least, the intellegent design argument.

also with all that "makes sense" to the non-believers, to refute that all these things were just random chance doesnt make sense by their own argument. We just so happen to have the right amount of nitrogen and oxygen in the air so we can breath,
 
#45
#45
I don't understand why so many Christians can't stand the fact that people don't believe in God, and how so many non-believers can't stand the fact that others do believe in God. I consider myself a Christian, but I don't get bent out of shape over people who don't believe. I have my faith, and that's enough for me.
 
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#46
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
at the very least, the intellegent design argument.

also with all that "makes sense" to the non-believers, to refute that all these things were just random chance doesnt make sense by their own argument. We just so happen to have the right amount of nitrogen and oxygen in the air so we can breath,
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It is scary that you are a teacher.
 
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#47
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
at the very least, the intellegent design argument.

also with all that "makes sense" to the non-believers, to refute that all these things were just random chance doesnt make sense by their own argument. We just so happen to have the right amount of nitrogen and oxygen in the air so we can breath,
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Either argument works fine for that though. If a species didn't survive under the ratio of N2/O2 we have here, then it would die away. Only species that are adapted to our earth are going to be here by evolution's arguments. It works just as well as the planet was made perfectly for us argument. If you're God...why not just place us on Jupiter and make us rely on different conditions to carry out our life processes?
 
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#48
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
at the very least, the intellegent design argument.

also with all that "makes sense" to the non-believers, to refute that all these things were just random chance doesnt make sense by their own argument. We just so happen to have the right amount of nitrogen and oxygen in the air so we can breath,
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So if we don't understand why something is the way that it is, it must be attributed to god?
 
#49
#49
CSpindizzy said:
What contradictions in particular? Everything out there in the realm of science has contradictions. I have a debate with someone who says science is rational and logical. But yet we're talking about "proof" on global warming being forged. Even theories of evolution are being modified with new discoveries. If you are saying things are inaccurate and invalid based on contradictions, you have essentially ruled out every concept out there.
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the evidence for global warming is a lot more vast than an error about himalayan glaciers that was caught by gcc scientists and stolen emails that were taken out of context. And your argument is very well suited for nihilism and not much else.
 
#50
#50
i agree, to each their own. its just when someone claims someone is such an idiot for believing in a higher power and blah blah blah
 
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