Hallelujah! You've Been Healed!!

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#101
IPorange said:
The Einstein thing is a lie. Research it, he never claimed to believe in God.
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Einstein had problems with the question, "If there was a God, why did he allow pain and suffering and evil to persist?". He never claimed not to believe either. Einstein did like the thought of people using his work to try to prove God didnt exist. I quoted Einstein before:

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
 
#102
#102
JohnWardForever said:
Sounds like you have too much education for your own good---as in scientists that can't fit God in their mathematical equations. "Lean not in thine own understanding" is my scripture for you. Christ died for all men--accept or reject--at your own peril. The deathbed is somehow always the great reckoner.
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For Pete's sake, we can't have any of this people thinking for themselves business.
 
#103
#103
CountVolcula said:
Einstein had problems with the question, "If there was a God, why did he allow pain and suffering and evil to persist?". He never claimed not to believe either. Einstein did like the thought of people using his work to try to prove God didnt exist. I quoted Einstein before:

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
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I love the Einstein quote wars.

He also said this:

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
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I've read his 500 page biography. I think you will find that Einstein adamantly refused the notion of any personal God, and certainly all religious explanations of "him". Einstein was intensely interested in the unkown symmetry and symphonic way the universe acted. When he did talk about God, it was the force behind it all he was addressing, and he believed there was a mathematical explanation to such a force.

To imply in anyway he believed in a prayer answering, theological God of any sort is ludicrous.
 
#104
#104
rjd970 said:
For Pete's sake, we can't have any of this people thinking for themselves business.
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The scripture refers to the wonders of God and his works. Of course you can think for yourself---question is---Can you save yourself? I think not. No one believed in Noah, either---but they sure changed their minds when the rains came.
 
#105
#105
rjd970 said:
I love the Einstein quote wars.

He also said this:



I've read his 500 page biography. I think you will find that Einstein adamantly refused the notion of any personal God, and certainly all religious explanations of "him". Einstein was intensely interested in the unkown symmetry and symphonic way the universe acted. When he did talk about God, it was the force behind it all he was addressing, and he believed there was a mathematical explanation to such a force.

To imply in anyway he believed in a prayer answering, theological God of any sort is ludicrous.
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So as smart as Einstein was and he couldn't figure it out? Frustrating---I bet. :)
 
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#106
JohnWardForever said:
The scripture refers to the wonders of God and his works. Of course you can think for yourself---question is---Can you save yourself? I think not. No one believed in Noah, either---but they sure changed their minds when the rains came.
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We don't have nearly enough of this. The fact that people think they need to be saved is evidence enough.
 
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#108
JohnWardForever said:
The scripture refers to the wonders of God and his works. Of course you can think for yourself---question is---Can you save yourself? I think not. No one believed in Noah, either---but they sure changed their minds when the rains came.
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I wonder if the people changed their minds and believed Gilgamesh, too.....
 
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#112
IPorange said:
Lol, now I am satanist. :eek:k:

What is your take on Deuteronomy 6:16?
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The test as Massah???????????????

Nothing to do with any thing we are talking about.

The test was for the jews to believe water would come from the Rock, the jews scoffed......

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#114
#114
rjd970 said:
This is a pretty narrow view. I know plenty of people that don't believe in God and refute the Bible not because they want to live their life a certain way, but because none of it makes any sense.

It's easier to brand these people as sinners and miscreants than to see what kind of life they live and the moral standards they hold themselves to. They don't live good lives because of fear of punishment or hope of reward after death. And they certainly don't do it based on a set of iron age myths. The same intellectual process that caused them to refute religion and any idea of a personal God is usually the same one that has guided them to live a good life.
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Alot of it does not make make sense because alot of people do not seek the truth for themselves. They rely solely on what is told them. And from religion to religion
that just keeps muddying the water. One says this one says that. One baptizes, one sprinkles, one cuts it out of their teaching. One practices communion every Sunday, one does it periodically, one does it on Saturday night, most do it none at all. If one is searching, there is a bible to study. And time spent doing that can teach a person own their own more than bouncing around listening to others. Seek the truth if your so inclined then seek the church that practices what is written to the best of your understanding at that point. To this day, I still follow along in the scripture during sermons. It's not up to the minister. It's up to me. I have to study to show my self approved. Just sitting on a pew or watching a TV preacher does not and cannot replace or imitate self learning.
 
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