Halzle vs. Kelly.....does it matter?

[utvolpj]

Only one team scored fewer points on Michigan than Kelly managed. I'm not sure UT will be ready for this explosive offense

 

[DonDiego]

NOW............do you see it?..........It's in black and white man!!

Maybe my addition of a comma will make it clearer,,lol, you guys.

There is no Halzle vs. Kelly. It’s Halzle/Heupel vs. Knowles, and Banks vs. Kelly.

 

[76volman]

Now that's settled.......my take is that Halzles' schemes for the offense has become pretty predictable vs Chip Kelly's schemes for OSU offensive play calling.

 

[BruiserVol]

Some people struggle to read body language. Did you miss where coach was trying his best to hold back his smirk as he said no changes were coming? Lol

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Say got it right.....thankfully

They said the same thing I did, only I lumped Heupel in with Halzle because he’s obviously the architect of the offense and it will be him going against Knowles just as much as Halzle.

Are you seriously suggesting that you read my post as:
(Heupel AND Halzle)
vs.
(Knowles AND Banks)
vs.
(Kelly by himself)
?

What is this, the Amazing Race? A Mexican standoff?

 

[just bob]

Halsey was better during the fight but Yamamoto was a better planner. So let's hope our Halzle is a "Halsey." From Tyson: Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth.

I appreciate the reference. Should say references...

 

[76volman]

They said the same thing I did, only I lumped Heupel in with Halzle because he’s obviously the architect of the offense and it will be him going against Knowles just as much as Halzle.

Are you seriously suggesting that you read my post as:
(Heupel AND Halzle)
vs.
(Knowles AND Banks)
vs.
(Kelly by himself)
?

What is this, the Amazing Race? A Mexican standoff?

Yeah......that is the way I read it.....but no problem......it a grammatical error. I just think Kelly has a better record than Halzle and Halze's schemes are too vanilla.

 

[Lekvolrrah]

Trying to compare offensive coordinators and their play calling........(yeah, some of you always say Josh always calls the plays). Does UT have an OC that matches up to a former HC that has a pretty good winning percentage? Never hardly see Halzle in the public view as you do other OCs. Do we not have an OC that can configure plays that work to take advantage of our opponents' weaknesses? Heuple just said we are not changing the offense for the OSU game. I wonder how much confidence he really has in Halzles' schemes and calls during the game. ? Curious that he hardly ever mentions him during a press conference

More about player execution at this point

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Say got it right.....thankfully

I'm unsure what's up with this argument but I think you're asking: is Halzle not as good as Kelly as an OC?

Josh Heupel, like Ryan Day, is a former OC and QB so they're both extremely involved in developing the game plan for their teams. While they both have OCs, it's very safe to say they have the final say in almost everything on the offensive side of the game.

At this late date in the season, Halzle's role at UT and Kelly's role at tOSU are pretty set. They've both coached (in whatever their particular OC role is, which is not exactly defined for us as outsiders) all season. Lots of us have bitched about UT's "vanilla" calls and lots of tOSU fans have bitched about their running game calls, particularly vs Michigan.

You seem to see Chip Kelly as more of a "presence" at Ohio State than Halzle is at UT and I suppose that's related to his NFL experience for you? You want Halzle to have a higher profile? You want him to plot our offensive strategy instead of Heupel?

I think Kelly is there to augment Day but Day is the guy making the big decisions. It's the same at UT...... Halzle is definitely second in command when it comes to our offensive strategy.

 

[76volman]

I'm unsure what's up with this argument but I think you're asking: is Halzle not as good as Kelly as an OC?

Josh Heupel, like Ryan Day, is a former OC and QB so they're both extremely involved in developing the game plan for their teams. While they both have OCs, it's very safe to say they have the final say in almost everything on the offensive side of the game.

At this late date in the season, Halzle's role at UT and Kelly's role at tOSU are pretty set. They've both coached (in whatever their particular OC role is, which is not exactly defined for us as outsiders) all season. Lots of us have bitched about UT's "vanilla" calls and lots of tOSU fans have bitched about their running game calls, particularly vs Michigan.

You seem to see Chip Kelly as more of a "presence" at Ohio State than Halzle is at UT and I suppose that's related to his NFL experience for you? You want Halzle to have a higher profile? You want him to plot our offensive strategy instead of Heupel?

I think Kelly is there to augment Day but Day is the guy making the big decisions. It's the same at UT...... Halzle is definitely second in command when it comes to our offensive strategy.

Yes.....you read me right Say. It seems that a lot of people disagree on what Halzle really does or doesn't do. Most people say that Halzle doesn't call plays or is in the decision process on calling plays, while other OCs , especially in the SEC that are high profile like Bobo for Georgia, or Bobby Petrino for Arkansas (now gone) or Nick Sheridan for Alabama obviously call plays from either the booth or on the sidelines.

I just think Heupel sometimes gets caught up in short memory play calling which becomes redundant in certain situational down and distance, whereas a real OC that calls plays would help Heupel not get into that mode

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yes.....you read me right Say. It seems that a lot of people disagree on what Halzle really does or doesn't do. Most people say that Halzle doesn't call plays or is in the decision process on calling plays, while other OCs , especially in the SEC that are high profile like Bobo for Georgia, or Bobby Petrino for Arkansas (now gone) or Nick Sheridan for Alabama obviously call plays from either the booth or on the sidelines.

I just think Heupel sometimes gets caught up in short memory play calling which becomes redundant in certain situational down and distance, whereas a real OC that calls plays would help Heupel not get into that mode

I don't know what input Halzle has in play calls and many UT fans think Golesh was a big loss for us as far as game planning goes.

I've complained about the bland offensive calls and playing not to lose and such. I have to feel Coach Heupel can see my viewpoint, is simply a much better coach than me, and has a lot more riding on winning games. If Halzle WAS making those "weak calls," Heupel can and would change that.

Our offense hasn't excited me for the most part this year. The reason for that isn't Halzle, it's Heupel.

Bottom line: I'm betting if we had "traded" Halzle for Kelly, we'd essentially have seen the same offense from UT that we've seen this year.

 

[pimo1]

Yeah,,,you and your brother are confused........Knowles and Kelly are the OC and
DC for OSU..........Banks is DC for VOLS>.......so it's not Knowles, Banks VS Kelly.........get it?

he said our offense vs their defense and our defense vs their offense the AND was the separator of the 2 comparisons... not gonna lie if you read it fast its easy to get confused.. but if you read it slowly and take the AND as a comma or semicolon or any form of separating punctuation it makes sense.

Lets hug it out and move on grammar is hard.

 

[feathersax]

Yeah,,,you and your brother are confused........Knowles and Kelly are the OC and
DC for OSU..........Banks is DC for VOLS>.......so it's not Knowles, Banks VS Kelly.........get it?

Did you cat scratch you today?

 

[76volman]

Did you cat scratch you today?

feather didn't get the memo

 

[DaddyChad]

Yeah,,,you and your brother are confused........Knowles and Kelly are the OC and
DC for OSU..........Banks is DC for VOLS>.......so it's not Knowles, Banks VS Kelly.........get it?

 

[DaddyChad]

Now that's settled.......my take is that Halzles' schemes for the offense has become pretty predictable vs Chip Kelly's schemes for OSU offensive play calling.

Starved for attention as a child?

 

[Model12]

Halsey was better during the fight but Yamamoto was a better planner. So let's hope our Halzle is a "Halsey." From Tyson: Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth.

The world wonders...

 

[DaddyChad]

How wide that playbook gets opened is a lot of the time dependent on how the Oline is playing. Also Heupel has played to burn the clock at times to play to his defense instead of putting a lot on his young qb. I do think now that Nico is more comfortable possibly he opens it up a bit.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Trying to compare offensive coordinators and their play calling........(yeah, some of you always say Josh always calls the plays). Does UT have an OC that matches up to a former HC that has a pretty good winning percentage? Never hardly see Halzle in the public view as you do other OCs. Do we not have an OC that can configure plays that work to take advantage of our opponents' weaknesses? Heuple just said we are not changing the offense for the OSU game. I wonder how much confidence he really has in Halzles' schemes and calls during the game. ? Curious that he hardly ever mentions him during a press conference

We had a much better offense than OSU. Halze>>>>>Kelly.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

How wide that playbook gets opened is a lot of the time dependent on how the Oline is playing. Also Heupel has played to burn the clock at times to play to his defense instead of putting a lot on his young qb. I do think now that Nico is more comfortable possibly he opens it up a bit.

We need accurate pre and post snap reads by Nico. Oline blocking at a high level. Nico making on target, crisp passes. Receivers running great routes and catching the ball when thrown. Sampson not fumbling.

The playbook is fine. It all depends upon the execution of the offensive players with very cold temperatures in a semi-hostile environment. GoVols

 

[DaddyChad]

We need accurate pre and post snap reads by Nico. Oline blocking at a high level. Nico making on target, crisp passes. Receivers running great routes and catching the ball when thrown. Sampson not fumbling.

The playbook is fine. It all depends upon the execution of the offensive players with very cold temperatures in a semi-hostile environment. GoVols

Agree on all counts. Nico has improved. Of course his protection has also gotten better. Need this to be his best game.

 

[Dirtyhairies]

NO.......but think you are and cannot read

There you go! Double down!

 

[Volfan1000]

Trying to compare offensive coordinators and their play calling........(yeah, some of you always say Josh always calls the plays). Does UT have an OC that matches up to a former HC that has a pretty good winning percentage? Never hardly see Halzle in the public view as you do other OCs. Do we not have an OC that can configure plays that work to take advantage of our opponents' weaknesses? Heuple just said we are not changing the offense for the OSU game. I wonder how much confidence he really has in Halzles' schemes and calls during the game. ? Curious that he hardly ever mentions him during a press conference

This is a battle of 5 star U (Ohio State) against 3 star U (Tennessee).

 

[GordonC]

Yeah......that is the way I read it.....but no problem......it a grammatical error. I just think Kelly has a better record than Halzle and Halze's schemes are too vanilla.

Im not sure its a grammatical error.

 

[deatojl]

NOW............do you see it?..........It's in black and white man!!

I think you severely misunderstood the "and" between Knowles & Banks. He was saying Heupel/Halzle(UT Offense) vs. Knowles(Ohio St Defense) and Banks(UT Defense) vs Kelly(Ohio St Offense)