Harbaugh To Michigan - Updated - It's official (merged)

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VolnJC said:
This could be a home run hire but remember the old saying.."I don't care how beautiful a girl is..someone out there got tired of ####ing her" and it looks like San Fran got tired of ####ing with Harbaugh for some reason
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Because Jed York is a moron.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
Yeah, Jim Harbaugh's stint in the NFL was so ****ing horrible. Are you serious? Are you brain dead? Are you seriously brain dead?
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No, I wouldn't trade CBJ for CJH and all of the chaos that comes with a change on the chance he could turn us around in a couple years. CBJ has the same chance.
 
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I know recruits will come for the name, but I got the impression from his interview this morning that he's not a talker. To me it takes a certain amount of charisma to be the best.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
I know recruits will come for the name, but I got the impression from his interview this morning that he's not a talker. To me it takes a certain amount of charisma to be the best.
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Difference in speaking in public and speaking to a kid and his family in their living room.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
How is it relevant? At all? How can people be so stupid as to think a damn press conference is relative to any sort of success?
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A lot of great coaches are horrible with the media and hate doing it. No one will ever mistake Popovich, La Russa, Belichick, Saban etc. as personable guys. Most fans don't care either.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
And this blows the argument out of the water that there is no way a successful NFL coach would come back ti college. Non sense.
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Paul Kuharsky on Nashville radio said about an hr ago that Oakland told his agent they'd top any offer from UM too. UM just pulled a top 3-4 NFL coach out from under the nose of multiple NFL teams.
 
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golfballs said:
First off, let me say I think Harbaugh is a home-run for Michigan. He's a good coach.

His first few years at Stanford weren't stellar. Those teams performed commensurate to their talent - I wouldn't say he got much more out of them. Unquestionably the best thing to happen to Harbaugh was Andrew Luck.

It will be interesting to see what he can do with the talent he inherits at Michigan.
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They were 1-11 the year before. I'd say winning 5 in year 2 and 8 in yr 3 was a pretty good improvement. We basically need to win 10 games next year for Butch's turnaround to remotely resemble that of JH's.
 
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SGMVols said:
If you accomplish nothing of significance on the field in your first two years then you probably never will.
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What qualifies as something of significance?

Jim Harbaugh's first two years at Stanford were 4-8 and 5-7. The best win was beating a USC team that finished the season at AP #3.

Art Briles's first two years at Baylor were both 4-8. His best win was against a Missouri team that finished 8-5 and unranked.

Tennessee may not be Baylor or Stanford when looked at through a historical lens, but we've been pretty awful the last few years.

Not to say Butch Jones WILL have success. I'm just not ready to make a definitive statement one way or the other.

Having said that, I share the jealousy of watching an AD do what it takes to win as opposed to ours, which at times makes the VA look like a well-run and efficient organization.
 
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Again everybody is already giving the NC trophy to Ann Arbor from this point onward.

Harbaugh has the personality of a very surly brick. That had a huge part to do with his leaving SF. And we got a glimpse of his "charisma" in the presser.

A CFB HC job at a school like UM comes with a huge amount of alumni butt kissing. And Harbaugh is not a butt kisser.

I agree that the pieces are in place for UM to be competitive quickly. However all of the huge egos in play could still tear this apart. Bo Peleini anybody? And his friction with SF front office anybody?

Congrats to UM they got exactly who they wanted. Now they are going to have to make it work and I submit that is far from a foregone conclusion. When alumi give huge amounts of money they expect the appropriate butt kissing. And Harbaugh isn't going to do that. He is the very definition of an abrasive personality. And no Saban probably doesn't kiss a lot of but either. But he is one helluva politician from what I've seem.

Time will tell if they can make it work. If they can then they should have a great deal of success
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
This is an example of the Admin and an AD at a great traditional program taking it seriously and getting the best available and not making a circus of the process. Jealous.
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Ain't that the truth. This wasn't some Spurrier or Saban deal either. Harbaugh went to the NFC Title game in each of his first three years and one Super Bowl...he had a .690 winning percentage at a place that hadn't made the playoffs in almost a decade.

Some good timing for both parties helped but this is a fantastic pull for Michigan and likewise, I'm envious.
 
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Even if he isn't a charmer, he's going to have recruits that think that playing for a former NFL coach will increase their chances of playing pro one day. It may not be necessarily so, but that's how people's minds work. :dunno:
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
We finished 4th in the east, hardly the cellar. We are improving with our top 10 recruiting classes each year. There's no guarantee JH will succeed. Elite he is not and I bet he struggles with player relationships. Did you watch the interaction between him and his players Sunday, looked like he had the plague.
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We finished 4 in a terrible east division. So terrible, an expansion team comes in and wins two east titles
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
What qualifies as something of significance?

Jim Harbaugh's first two years at Stanford were 4-8 and 5-7. The best win was beating a USC team that finished the season at AP #3.

Art Briles's first two years at Baylor were both 4-8. His best win was against a Missouri team that finished 8-5 and unranked.

Tennessee may not be Baylor or Stanford when looked at through a historical lens, but we've been pretty awful the last few years.

Not to say Butch Jones WILL have success. I'm just not ready to make a definitive statement one way or the other.

Having said that, I share the jealousy of watching an AD do what it takes to win as opposed to ours, which at times makes the VA look like a well-run and efficient organization.
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Let me know when we go 1-11, or hell even 4-8. Harbaugh improving from 1 win to 4 wins in 1 yr, while pulling off the largest statistical upset in CFB history is an accomplishment.

Maintaining the status quo at 5-7 or 6-6 is not so much. However, I disagree that Butch can't improve us down the road just because his record on the field hasn't reflected it in his first 2 years. I think JH took bigger strides in his 1st year than Butch did but that's not an indictment on Butch.
 
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We should definitely fire Butch and start all over again. When the new guy doesn't do any better his first 2 years, blow it up and start again. Maybe give Belichick a call and offer $15 mil a year.
 
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brandonco05 said:
We should definitely fire Butch and start all over again. When the new guy doesn't do any better his first 2 years, blow it up and start again. Maybe give Belichick a call and offer $15 mil a year.
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Have you seen anyone say fire Butch? Or are you the typical Butch worshiper who takes any form of criticism towards him or praise heaping of another coach as a sign we want to fire Butch? Butch and Co are recruiting at an elite level and I wouldn't want a coaching change after 2 years unless we landed a top 5-10 proven coach, which we likely aren't. He needs 4 years before we really know what we have in terms of the total package, unless he manages to bomb next year which I don't see happening.
 
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I'll say it again, Harbaugh is UM's Johnny Majors. I love Coach Majors but he took a while to get things rolling and the peak wasn't a national championship the way we thought it would be. And we learned it is very difficult to fire a legend...if things don't turn around the way they expect, will they be stuck with him forever?
 
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YorkVol said:
I'll say it again, Harbaugh is UM's Johnny Majors. I love Coach Majors but he took a while to get things rolling and the peak wasn't a national championship the way we thought it would be. And we learned it is very difficult to fire a legend...if things don't turn around the way they expect, will they be stuck with him forever?
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Good analogy.
 
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YorkVol said:
I'll say it again, Harbaugh is UM's Johnny Majors. I love Coach Majors but he took a while to get things rolling and the peak wasn't a national championship the way we thought it would be. And we learned it is very difficult to fire a legend...if things don't turn around the way they expect, will they be stuck with him forever?
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As bad as Majors got crossways with the administration for trying to get them to invest in the program that might be a very prophetic analogy. Not that UM won't invest just that they might grow to really dislike each other before it's over. Time will tell
 
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