(therealUT @ Apr 2 said:Come on now, you might be confusing people on this board with that sentence. Libertarians are conservative, much more conservative than Republicans.
The Green Party is to the Democratic Party as the Libertarian Party is to the Republican Party.
(Lexvol @ Apr 2 said:Untrue. The Green Party drives the dems, and gives them talking points. Libertarians are typically economically conservative (most are flat tax people which neither the dems or the republicans will ever concede to) and socially very liberal.
(vols2345 @ Apr 2 said:People didnt really start freaking out intill our fellow countrymen starting dieing in war. yeah its a shame, but come on, they are part of the united states military, if your scared to die or dont want to be in that position, its not like anyone forced you to join.
(U-T @ Apr 2 said:Hopefully, if you have any family that is serving and they get killed a friend will come up to you and say, "Hey, sorry about your family member getting killed....that's a shame but it is his fault since he signed up"
(therealUT @ Apr 2 said:I am a soldier, so is my brother, and most all of my friends. We take that risk when we join, and what I hate to hear more than anything, is "Bring our boys home" being shouted by some protestor who might know one soldier over there.
(U-T @ Apr 2 said:Yes, and I have done two tours in Iraq myself and laugh at those shouting, "Invade <country A>" because they look at our men as pawns who can go anywhere without looking at the actually human aspect of the war.
If I have to hear one more snot-nose 18-year-old preach about invading Iran and than saying "But, I don't want to join the Marines, Army, Navy, ext..." I may puke.
If people want to invade every country, sign your ass up and join us. Hell, give me your kids and I will gladly teach them.
It's typical American attitude...want something without giving anything.
(oklavol @ Apr 2 said:Yeah I agree. I read where someone once said, if all the politicians who wanted war were actually the ones who were required to be on the front lines fighting it, there would never be any wars.
(therealUT @ Apr 2 said:Where did you read that? Until very recently, most politicos throughout history saw extensive combat; on the front lines nonetheless.
(oklavol @ Apr 2 said:Yeah I agree. I read where someone once said, if all the politicians who wanted war were actually the ones who were required to be on the front lines fighting it, there would never be any wars.
(oklavol @ Apr 2 said:Not really. If you read the info presented here,
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
most of the biggest war hawks in congress and politics never served. For example, Cheney had 4 deferments in vietnam I think. He was probably the biggest war hawk in Bush's cabinet. While Colin Powell who actually served in Vietnam was against it. I think Powell had reservations for good reasons.
Bush Sr. avoided invading Iraq, now everyone can see why he did that, and why it was a wise move. He aslo was a decorated fighter pilot WWII. It just seems to me, that politicians who actually experienced war are much less likely to use it, unless it is absolutely necessary.
Everyone was in favor with the war in afghanistan, but the Iraq war doesnt seem justified, especially in light of what we know now. Iran is a bigger threat then Iraq for weapsons of mass destruction. This country doesn't have unlimited economic might. The debt this war has created is not worth the cost IMO.
(therealUT @ Apr 2 said:I said until recently, which in the whole history of the world means basically up to the last quarter century.
Also, Bush Sr. avoided invading Iraq only because on the strategic level we failed in the Persian Gulf War. Tactically and operationally, our forces were outstanding, however, the strategic plan was to eliminate upwards of 70% of the Iraqi Army and then push Iraqi's to rebel against an force that would not be able to stave off the rebellion. We were only able to cripple about 30% of the Iraqi military and the rebellion was very brutally taken care of.
Also, in this century alone, Teddy Roosevelt, Churchill, Eisenhower, and JFK all saw extensive combat, and all led their countries into long drawn out and savage wars...each one much costlier than OIF and OEF combined.