Harris finally tells the truth

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Weezy said:
I don't think it's bad. Clearly it's addressing the racial element. Not everybody has to end up at the same place. But black people and white people as a distribution should, that should be the end goal. And there are a number of things at play, but one of those things is an unequal starting point. And one of the contributors to that is generational wealth that was denied to black people. Look I don't agree with Democrats, but Republicans need to get a plan to address that the black community needs lifted. My plan would be to end the drug war, invest in those communities (schools, community college, and recreational facilities), and subsidize manufacturing to bring back wealth building blue collar jobs.
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Why? The white to asian distribution is not the same. In that case "we" have a markedly worse distribution curve than "they" do. If you look at any of the race comparisons they arent going to be have the same distribution.

People are different. Results are always going to be different. Isnt this the argument FOR diversity? Now you are making it a bad thing that black people are different than the whites. Like they should fit to some type of standard you have set for them.
 
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k-town_king said:
You all are against equal opportunity. The Dems fight for it. That is the fundamental difference.
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I hate to tell you this, but the Dems have become the party of the wealthy elitists, and the Republicans have become the party of the common working man. Check and see the average income of the zip codes where the majority of the funding comes from for each.
 
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MG1968 said:
Equality of opportunity is not the same thing as equality of outcome.
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It might actually even be worse. Think of the authoritarian methods that would have to be enacted to ensure everyone begins at the same starting point. You would have to equal out the resources, intelligence, means, shelter, transport, etc of parents just for starters.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
It is? How so?
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You were born taller/smarter/more handsome than I was. You were born in a different region than me. You applied yourself more than I did. Heck it could be as simple as upbringing or personality.

Any of those and you are going to have different opportunities than I will.

Doesnt in any way shape or form make you better or me lesser. Any implication of such is insulting.
 
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Some of my success was driven from my father getting a good paying maintenance job with no college education in the 70s. Black people weren't getting those jobs. And now those jobs don't exist. Our racist past still matters today. I'm not saying it has to be welfare. But why can't we subsidize manufacturing like we do farming? How is the drug war working? These are problems we used to fix.
 
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Weezy said:
Some of my success was driven from my father getting a good paying maintenance job with no college education in the 70s. Black people weren't getting those jobs. And now those jobs don't exist. Our racist past still matters today. I'm not saying it has to be welfare. But why can't we subsidize manufacturing like we do farming? How is the drug war working? These are problems we used to fix.
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Drug war ins't working. Needs attention.

Rather than subsidize manufacturing, I'd prefer to see the tax code altered where blue collar workers have more autonomy over their financial future.
 
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Weezy said:
Some of my success was driven from my father getting a good paying maintenance job with no college education in the 70s. Black people weren't getting those jobs. And now those jobs don't exist. Our racist past still matters today. I'm not saying it has to be welfare. But why can't we subsidize manufacturing like we do farming? How is the drug war working? These are problems we used to fix.
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Or just stop subsidizing all together.

If you want to bring race into white people receive more subsidies than any other race in the country.

The WoD isnt the end all be all for fixing those areas and people effected by it. Violent crime will still be part of that scene, turf wars, disagreements, more competition, will still drive up crime rates. So even if the dime bag itself doesnt send them to jail the surrounds to it still will.
 
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McDad said:
Drug war ins't working. Needs attention.

Rather than subsidize manufacturing, I'd prefer to see the tax code altered where blue collar workers have more autonomy over their financial future.
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I know I'll get blasted for this but trade has to be on equal footing. You can't demand that american companies follow all these regulations and then turn around and allow unrestricted imports from countries that don't have the same regulations. It's the reason why manufacturing has left the US.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I know I'll get blasted for this but trade has to be on equal footing. You can't demand that american companies follow all these regulations and then turn around and allow unrestricted imports from countries that don't have the same regulations. It's the reason why manufacturing has left the US.
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It's a tough issue. For trade to be equal, all resources would have to be equal....including labor. Making it equal on the backside with taxes and tariffs doesn't really help the consumer.

With that said, I somewhat agree with you and Weezy, and can make a case for manufacturing to vital to the defense of America.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I know I'll get blasted for this but trade has to be on equal footing. You can't demand that american companies follow all these regulations and then turn around and allow unrestricted imports from countries that don't have the same regulations. It's the reason why manufacturing has left the US.
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It's one of the funny parts of the green push by Obama. I have no way to scientifically document this except for maybe plain imports vs exports, but I would say all those regulations have actually lead to less "green" in the building world. Unless it's from Europe, and more expensive than their American counterpart, any import doesnt meet our regulations. I know the chinese will slap whatever sticker they need on any product they want in order to sell their bs.

And with the push of industry out we import more building materials than we used to. And our firm has a very strong policy in residential projects that no finish materials can be from china.

It's scary what they put in some of their stuff.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I hate to tell you this, but the Dems have become the party of the wealthy elitists, and the Republicans have become the party of the common working man. Check and see the average income of the zip codes where the majority of the funding comes from for each.
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You mean 94027 isn’t in the projects?
 
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McDad said:
It's a tough issue. For trade to be equal, all resources would have to be equal....including labor. Making it equal on the backside with taxes and tariffs doesn't really help the consumer.

With that said, I somewhat agree with you and Weezy, and can make a case for manufacturing to vital to the defense of America.
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If this Covid thing has taught us anything, it's a national security issue to be dependent on one nation to provide so much product that American lives are dependent on. If we as a nation are serious about bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, we have to look at who we buy from now. If we purchase from countries that pollute the environment, use child and slave labor, other unfair labor practices, then we need to level the playing field. I realize placing high tariffs on imports hurts the consumer but in the long run may be beneficial.
 
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LouderVol said:
Unfortunately welfare as it works in this country doesnt actually build up anyone. Not sure what the right term is here but the recidivism on welfare is right around 60%.

Straight Talk on Welfare Statistics (2020) | Fortunly

Only ~30% are on it for one year.
~43% are on it for less than 3 years. I couldnt understand if this includes the 1 year group or not.

Seems like we need a much better way of helping people than welfare. According to that article the biggest decrease in welfare has come under Trumps policies in 2018. Which would fall at the tail end of the 3 year buffer from Obama.

Best way to help people is to make them take care of themselves. Doling out money doesnt fix anything.
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Just throwing money at a problem doesn't help.
 
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I thought this was going to be about how dems are pedos and rapists and those that say they aren't are just pedos and rapists in denial.
 
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