Harrison's condition

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CannonVol80 said:
Despite the fans desire to know Izzy's status and whether she tore an acl, any fact about her medical condition, including whether she tore an acl, is, in fact, her private medical information and cannot be released absent her consent.

Signs are encouraging that she did not suffer an acl tear, but the fact that she was noticeably limping the day following the injury suggests that she will be out for a while.

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ok, I can understand if izzy wanted to keep that private. I'm not exactly sure she would care, but I don't know her personally, so who knows. However, do we as a fan base, who in some cases pay large amounts in donations, have a right to know at least how long an athlete will be out?? like the above poster said, holly isn't obligated to say anything about when izzy might return and just keep quiet, but doesn't that alienate the fan base?
 
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boxerpupsrcool said:
ok, I can understand if izzy wanted to keep that private. I'm not exactly sure she would care, but I don't know her personally, so who knows. However, do we as a fan base, who in some cases pay large amounts in donations, have a right to know at least how long an athlete will be out?? like the above poster said, holly isn't obligated to say anything about when izzy might return and just keep quiet, but doesn't that alienate the fan base?
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Well, don't need to give the opponents any info. Make them prepare for more contingencies. I think the fan base worries and speculates more than gets alienated. We saw it and it looked awful, then she was at the football game and no crutches (very bad limp though), so who knows? But the other teams don't know anything either:)

Legally they can release no medical information; I believe an athlete can sign a waiver allowing it but do not know how common that is. For all I know even giving a time frame could be interpreted as "medical information". It all sounds crazy, but HR and attorneys can dream up some weird scenarios...
 
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boxerpupsrcool said:
ok, I can understand if izzy wanted to keep that private. I'm not exactly sure she would care, but I don't know her personally, so who knows. However, do we as a fan base, who in some cases pay large amounts in donations, have a right to know at least how long an athlete will be out??
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Not if the player and coaching staff determine that it is not in the best interests of the player or the program to release that information.

At the end of the day, will the fan base knowing that a player will be out for one game or five or three weeks or two months make any difference? The answer to that should be obvious. The only thing it would accomplish is giving the NegaVols more fodder for their constant whining and criticism. Well, that and allowing other teams to have access to information that could benefit their game plans to the detriment of Tennessee's.

boxerpupsrcool said:
like the above poster said, holly isn't obligated to say anything about when izzy might return and just keep quiet, but doesn't that alienate the fan base?
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It shouldn't alienate reasonable people.
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
Well, don't need to give the opponents any info. Make them prepare for more contingencies. I think the fan base worries and speculates more than gets alienated. We saw it and it looked awful, then she was at the football game and no crutches (very bad limp though), so who knows? But the other teams don't know anything either:)

Legally they can release no medical information; I believe an athlete can sign a waiver allowing it but do not know how common that is. For all I know even giving a time frame could be interpreted as "medical information". It all sounds crazy, but HR and attorneys can dream up some weird scenarios...
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Well if it gives us an advantage, then I'm all for it. I would hope that would be their reasoning for keeping it quiet. I noticed the attendance hasn't dropped much from last year. Granted there has only been two games. like to see it get back up to 14 or 15000 again
 
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Real Info said:
How can Georgia RB Todd Gurley get hurt yesterday and it already be reported that he tore his ACL, but we haven't heard about Izzy?
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My best guess would be that gurley ok'ed the release of that info. When izzy and the coaching staff want us to know, then we will know I suppose that's how it works. I'm also guessing since there is much more media scrutiny with college football than there is with women's basketball, information like that comes out much quicker.
 
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ivyleague said:
Not if the player and coaching staff determine that it is not in the best interests of the player or the program to release that information.

At the end of the day, will the fan base knowing that a player will be out for one game or five or three weeks or two months make any difference? The answer to that should be obvious. The only thing it would accomplish is giving the NegaVols more fodder for their constant whining and criticism. Well, that and allowing other teams to have access to information that could benefit their game plans to the detriment of Tennessee's.



It shouldn't alienate reasonable people.
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Does knowing how long a player will be out make a difference?? Yes, depending on the fan base. we see how popular of a thread this has become with ppl wanting to know about izzy. it's natural for a fan base to want to know, especially with such die hard fan bases such as the lady vol basketball and football program. I remember when all the lady vol practices were open and I remember some very memorable exchanges between coach summit and her players. I would like to see that kind of openness again..it's good for the program and good for the fans. Lets not discount what a fan base means for a team, especially in recruiting. Many ladies want to play here because of the huge fan base we have, so I think it's important to maintain top attendence rankings
 
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UT is become absurd with the injury/privacy issue. The pros make clear what injury a player has, so I'm not sure why there suddenly arose this hippa issue about privacy, as if telling the public that somebody sprained an ankle or an elbow is going to affect the player in some horrible way.
 
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Does anyone know why they stopped having open practice to the public? I think now only media are allowed at practices.
 
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ivyleague said:
At the end of the day, will the fan base knowing that a player will be out for one game or five or three weeks or two months make any difference? The answer to that should be obvious. The only thing it would accomplish is giving the NegaVols more fodder for their constant whining and criticism. Well, that and allowing other teams to have access to information that could benefit their game plans to the detriment of Tennessee's.
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Thanks for that! I hadn't known the brand name of those folks! :crazy:
 
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boxerpupsrcool said:
Does knowing how long a player will be out make a difference?? Yes, depending on the fan base.
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Then please explain the difference you believe this makes. It certainly will not make the player return any more quickly. The fan base has nothing to do with devising game plans based on a player's absence. What is the specific difference it will make?

As I said before, it's simply fodder for opposing teams, opposing fan bases, and whiners couched as "fans" (for example, armchair) who want to complain about the program, the players, and the coaches.

boxerpupsrcool said:
we see how popular of a thread this has become with ppl wanting to know about izzy. it's natural for a fan base to want to know, especially with such die hard fan bases such as the lady vol basketball and football program.
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Wanting to know and needing to know are two completely different issues. People want to know because they incorrectly assume being a fan makes them entitled to details regarding a player's health or injury status. It doesn't. It may be natural for the fan base to want to know; it isn't, however, necessary.

boxerpupsrcool said:
I remember when all the lady vol practices were open and I remember some very memorable exchanges between coach summit and her players. I would like to see that kind of openness again..it's good for the program and good for the fans.
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In a bygone era, open practices likely weren't a big deal. Now, when something can be filmed, recorded, and uploaded instantly to the internet for all (including opposing teams) to see, when even the mildest of exchanges can be misconstrued and blown out of proportion by a media looking for the next sensationalistic story . . . no.



boxerpupsrcool said:
Lets not discount what a fan base means for a team, especially in recruiting. Many ladies want to play here because of the huge fan base we have, so I think it's important to maintain top attendence rankings
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And many are likely just as turned off by a spoiled, entitled fan base that assumes it has the right to call for a WINNING coach's head when things don't always go the way they should . . . fans who would just as happily bash or demean a coach or player as they would praise her. Please note, I'm not talking about all, or even most, of the fan base . . . just the very vocal whiners, bashers, and negative nellies who, unfortunately, comprise a significant minority of the fan base today.
 
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armchair said:
UT is become absurd with the injury/privacy issue. The pros make clear what injury a player has, so I'm not sure why there suddenly arose this hippa issue about privacy, as if telling the public that somebody sprained an ankle or an elbow is going to affect the player in some horrible way.
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You should realize this is a federal law. Just as it was last year when you were complaining about another player who's health information wasn't released immediately.
 
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ivyleague said:
Then please explain the difference you believe this makes. It certainly will not make the player return any more quickly. The fan base has nothing to do with devising game plans based on a player's absence. What is the specific difference it will make?

As I said before, it's simply fodder for opposing teams, opposing fan bases, and whiners couched as "fans" (for example, armchair) who want to complain about the program, the players, and the coaches.



Wanting to know and needing to know are two completely different issues. People want to know because they incorrectly assume being a fan makes them entitled to details regarding a player's health or injury status. It doesn't. It may be natural for the fan base to want to know; it isn't, however, necessary.



In a bygone era, open practices likely weren't a big deal. Now, when something can be filmed, recorded, and uploaded instantly to the internet for all (including opposing teams) to see, when even the mildest of exchanges can be misconstrued and blown out of proportion by a media looking for the next sensationalistic story . . . no.





And many are likely just as turned off by a spoiled, entitled fan base that assumes it has the right to call for a WINNING coach's head when things don't always go the way they should . . . fans who would just as happily bash or demean a coach or player as they would praise her. Please note, I'm not talking about all, or even most, of the fan base . . . just the very vocal whiners, bashers, and negative nellies who, unfortunately, comprise a significant minority of the fan base today.
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I sense a bit of disdain for the typical "fan" in your reply here. Are you saying the fan base is irrelevant and not important to a teams success?? Holly would be the first to appreciate the fan support the team receives. I would doubt you would find holly, the coaching staff or players calling fans entitled and spoiled. No one is saying here that we as fans are entitled to know what happened to izzy. We are fans, we want to know what happened to izzy, but no one is demanding it that I know of. if holly doesn't want to say, so be it. I will still support her. Derek Dooley lost a majority of the fan base because he came off as arrogant and short with the fans. Holly isn't like this and I believe that's one of the many reasons she has such great support. After every game and interview she does with Mickey, she always thanks the fans and it's appreciated.

Have you ever attended a lady vol practice?? It's much more entertaining than watching a video for sure. ill never forget the "coaching" dominque redding got from summitt. That will be one of my favorite memories.
 
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boxerpupsrcool said:
I sense a bit of disdain for the typical "fan" in your reply here.
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I would hope the "typical fan" isn't a critical, negative whiner. I'm not talking about "typical fans." I'm talking about a highly vocal MINORITY of the fan base who criticize more than they praise, who find fault with every single thing Holly says or does (or the way she says or does it), who demand a coaching change every time a game is lost, a recruit chooses another school, or a player is injured.

boxerpupsrcool said:
Are you saying the fan base is irrelevant and not important to a teams success??
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No.

boxerpupsrcool said:
Holly would be the first to appreciate the fan support the team receives.
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I agree.

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boxerpupsrcool said:
would doubt you would find holly, the coaching staff or players calling fans entitled and spoiled.
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Perhaps not. But you will find ME calling fans entitled and spoiled when they recklessly demand coaching changes at the drop of a hat, when they bash the players for having an off night, when they whine if information isn't as forthcoming as they believe it should be, or when a large faction of UT fans who proudly support the men's teams (particularly football and basketball) think it is humorous to demean, ridicule, or diminish the women's teams as irrelevant or unimportant. (And if you think that doesn't happen, just take a peek at some of the posts on non-Lady Vols specific forums).

boxerpupsrcool said:
No one is saying here that we as fans are entitled to know what happened to izzy. We are fans, we want to know what happened to izzy, but no one is demanding it that I know of.
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Really? Might I suggest perusing this thread again?

boxerpupsrcool said:
if holly doesn't want to say, so be it.
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What makes you think it is entirely up to her?

boxerpupsrcool said:
I will still support her.
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Great.

boxerpupsrcool said:
Derek Dooley lost a majority of the fan base because he came off as arrogant and short with the fans.
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And what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

boxerpupsrcool said:
Holly isn't like this and I believe that's one of the many reasons she has such great support. After every game and interview she does with Mickey, she always thanks the fans and it's appreciated.
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It would be much appreciated if you would read for comprehension. I did not at any point claim that the entire fan base, or even most of it, is entitled, spoiled, or negative in demeanor and outlook. I said there is a small, vocal, and unfortunately growing minority who ARE spoiled and entitled, who find it acceptable to call for Holly to be fired if she doesn't reach the Final Four in her third year -- THIRD year -- as head coach. A small but growing minority who believe it is acceptable to bash coaches and players who do not live up to their standards in any given moment/game. I'm talking about those *******s.

boxerpupsrcool said:
Have you ever attended a lady vol practice??
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No.

boxerpupsrcool said:
It's much more entertaining than watching a video for sure. ill never forget the "coaching" dominque redding got from summitt. That will be one of my favorite memories.
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That's great. I'm sure that would have been great splashed all over the headlines of ESPN, too.
 
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ivyleague said:
I would hope the "typical fan" isn't a critical, negative whiner. I'm not talking about "typical fans." I'm talking about a highly vocal MINORITY of the fan base who criticize more than they praise, who find fault with every single thing Holly says or does (or the way she says or does it), who demand a coaching change every time a game is lost, a recruit chooses another school, or a player is injured.



No.



I agree.

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Perhaps not. But you will find ME calling fans entitled and spoiled when they recklessly demand coaching changes at the drop of a hat, when they bash the players for having an off night, when they whine if information isn't as forthcoming as they believe it should be, or when a large faction of UT fans who proudly support the men's teams (particularly football and basketball) think it is humorous to demean, ridicule, or diminish the women's teams as irrelevant or unimportant. (And if you think that doesn't happen, just take a peek at some of the posts on non-Lady Vols specific forums).



Really? Might I suggest perusing this thread again?



What makes you think it is entirely up to her?



Great.



And what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?



It would be much appreciated if you would read for comprehension. I did not at any point claim that the entire fan base, or even most of it, is entitled, spoiled, or negative in demeanor and outlook. I said there is a small, vocal, and unfortunately growing minority who ARE spoiled and entitled, who find it acceptable to call for Holly to be fired if she doesn't reach the Final Four in her third year -- THIRD year -- as head coach. A small but growing minority who believe it is acceptable to bash coaches and players who do not live up to their standards in any given moment/game. I'm talking about those *******s.



No.



That's great. I'm sure that would have been great splashed all over the headlines of ESPN, too.
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Ok, I looked back thru the thread. I'm confident no one "demanded" holly tell us what izzy's status is. All I see are people asking about her status. Unless asking is demanding and I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

I don't want to get into a technical tit for tat with you. You're a fan, I'm a fan. In the end, there is no fan who is any better than another fan. We all have opinions, you may be right or I may be right. I just don't see it your way and I don't see a vocal minority calling for coach holly's head.

I'm right with you though in fully supporting holly warlick. I think she is doing a great job. The team she has put together this year is just awesome, and we haven't even saw what jannah tucker is capable of. That vocal minority you speak of will come around soon enough I'm sure of that
 
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You guys forget that Massengale was out half the season last year and there was never an update given, just that she was "game to game." We never heard why, what, when...
 
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Volstylexx said:
You guys forget that Massengale was out half the season last year and there was never an update given, just that she was "game to game." We never heard why, what, when...
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"Game to game" was the update. Everyone was aware of the what -- she had a concussion, and obviously a fairly severe one given the time that she was out. Everyone was aware of the why -- she was hit during the Florida game. That certain fans weren't satisfied that they didn't receive extensively detailed information about her health status is their problem. If Massengale did not want the information released, or if the coaching staff decided it was in the best interests of the program not to specifically detail when she would return, that was their decision to make.
 
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Sprained MCL for Izzy...thank God it's not the ACL!

Slight concussion for JJ

Both out for tonight's game, not sure about additional games.
 
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You could tell izzy was in good spirits. Good for her though. Would have been a shame to lose her like that for the season.
 
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