Harsin may be on the way out

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bamawriter said:
It's meaningless since whatever he's being paid by his current employer simply offsets his buyout from Vandy. He nets the same amount either way. However, it does show that the folks at Auburn were too dense to properly negotiate his salary.
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Probably saw Oklahoma as a muchhhhhhhhh more stable opportunity right now.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Maybe. According to Finebaum, Harsin is in Mexico. I guess everyone is on vacay after NSD.
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Some folks on the Auburn boards are hating on him because he's on that vacation.

I know these guys are extremely well-compensated, but can you imagine people who don't even know you discussing on a message board why you are taking PTO when you're on vacation from your job? College football coaching is an interesting way to make a living.
 
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05_never_again said:
Some folks on the Auburn boards are hating on him because he's on that vacation.

I know these guys are extremely well-compensated, but can you imagine people who don't even know you discussing on a message board why you are taking PTO when you're on vacation from your job? College football coaching is an interesting way to make a living.
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That’s crazy. What should Harsin be doing exactly ?

People always point to the $$, and they are right that the compensation is unbelievable, but I can’t imagine the quality of life during that time of coaching is very good.

Also, being stuck in Mexico with your wife while you’re in the biggest crisis of your life/marriage cannot be a good situation.

However, there is a flip side to this coin that no one has dared to explore. Maybe it’s not a crisis in their marriage, maybe…Nah I won’t say it. People might really lose their minds.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
That’s crazy. What should Harsin be doing exactly ?

People always point to the $$, and they are right that the compensation is unbelievable, but I can’t imagine the quality of life during that time of coaching is very good.

Also, being stuck in Mexico with your wife while you’re in the biggest crisis of your life/marriage cannot be a good situation.

However, there is a flip side to this coin that no one has dared to explore. Maybe it’s not a crisis in their marriage, maybe…Nah I won’t say it. People might really lose their minds.
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Maybe Harsin has it like that and he and the wife have an understanding and like pineapples.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
That’s crazy. What should Harsin be doing exactly ?

People always point to the $$, and they are right that the compensation is unbelievable, but I can’t imagine the quality of life during that time of coaching is very good.

Also, being stuck in Mexico with your wife while you’re in the biggest crisis of your life/marriage cannot be a good situation.

However, there is a flip side to this coin that no one has dared to explore. Maybe it’s not a crisis in their marriage, maybe…Nah I won’t say it. People might really lose their minds.
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Studying in the film room!!!! He can't croot and they can't practice right now, but you can always be doing something!!!

Seriously though, the older that I get, the more and more I value quality of life and work/life balance than money. I still value money, and anybody who says they don't is a liar, but the degree to which you prioritize it gets lower and lower for me over time. If you make, say, $1m/year but work 100 hours a week, it isn't like you can enjoy the money. That's great if you "love what you do," but do you really want to work so much you don't have time for anything else?

Being able to secure an early retirement is an obvious benefit, but then you have insane people like Saban still coaching at age 70 and plenty of other coaches who have way more than enough to retire but choose not to. All of those guys are just wired differently than 99.9% of the population.
 
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Interesting thoughts regarding vacations/returning to work. Older folks like me probably think he ought to return and meet with the investigators face to face. Younger folks prioritize their free time higher.

Early in my career in big pharma, I was on vacation and got an urgent call from my boss. We had gotten a governmental request for additional analyses for one of our submitted drugs. I was the only person who could do it but I told my boss, we needed to create a new database first and afterwards, it would still take several weeks. Was cutting my vacation short a few days really necessary? I asked. He told me it looked bad (for him and me) if I continued my vacation and that it would look good (for him and me) if I came home early to answer questions from higher-ups and started the process. I came home early.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Interesting thoughts regarding vacations/returning to work. Older folks like me probably think he ought to return and meet with the investigators face to face. Younger folks prioritize their free time higher.
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The older I get, the more I prioritize free time, vacation and healthy balance between career and family time.

When I was younger I damn near burned myself out chasing a corner office.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Same for me. But I do think younger folks NOW tend to value their free time more.
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I would agree with this. I work with a mix of people from early 20s to late 50s (I’m 29,) and the younger people definitely prioritize their free time. I turned off my work phone for a week while I was on my honeymoon in 2020 and you would’ve thought all hell broke loose because I wasn’t answering calls or e-mails (nevermind the automatic message everyone got that I would be out of the office and unavailable.)

The older people in my office never take off, to the point they have so much PTO they’re in “use it or lose it” hours. Many of them work through their leave because they can’t leave work.

Not saying either is right or wrong, just saying I agree with you.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Same for me. But I do think younger folks NOW tend to value their free time more.
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What you see as "free time" a lot of younger people wouldn't see as free time. I think generational differences are kind of overblown, but one thing Millennials do that actually is different from other generations when they were the same age is that they tend to view their job as a gig rather than a career. They have no problem floating around between different jobs or even making drastic career changes. They do this 1) so they don't get too tied into a job they might end up not liking and 2) so they have more time to devote to other things they are interested in, because they don't define their life by what they do for a living. On average, their career is not the most important thing in the life of a Millennial.

We view that as wanting more "free time," but Millennials don't think of the things they do outside of work as free time. They take their jobs less seriously than previous generations, especially Boomers.
 
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05_never_again said:
We view that as wanting more "free time," but Millennials don't think of the things they do outside of work as free time. They take their jobs less seriously than previous generations, especially Boomers.
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That’s reasonable. I agree that my young colleagues
don’t view current job as their career. They shouldn’t because job stability is a thing of the past.
Boomers like me started our careers in a totally different environment.

Getting back to Harsin. He’s 45 which I consider young for a P5 head coach. I have no doubt he works hard at his job. If he had asked for my advice, I would have suggested he come back early but for all I know, he may have decided it was over for him at Auburn and since he couldn’t be fired with cause, it was better for him to wait it out at a distance.
 
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Feeling the need for a little schadenfreude while waiting on lunch, I ventured to the AUFamily board.

Some are tracking AU planes and getting bad pics of Harsin sneaking in the side door at the coach's meeting in Bham.

I give it a "two raccoons jumping from the dumpster fire" on the official SEC dumpster fire meter.
 
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It’s almost as if, by creating a hashtag with her name and the current year, she wants people to continuously check in to see where she is and what she’s doing.
 
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05_never_again said:
What you see as "free time" a lot of younger people wouldn't see as free time. I think generational differences are kind of overblown, but one thing Millennials do that actually is different from other generations when they were the same age is that they tend to view their job as a gig rather than a career. They have no problem floating around between different jobs or even making drastic career changes. They do this 1) so they don't get too tied into a job they might end up not liking and 2) so they have more time to devote to other things they are interested in, because they don't define their life by what they do for a living. On average, their career is not the most important thing in the life of a Millennial.

We view that as wanting more "free time," but Millennials don't think of the things they do outside of work as free time. They take their jobs less seriously than previous generations, especially Boomers.
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I work to live for sure, but it's not that I don't take my job seriously- it's that I know that my family is #1. I work extremely hard to get done what I need to get done (excellently) and try to find the best ways to finish my work in a way that doesn't disrupt my life totally.

I've been in a constant state of promotion both in rank and pay and I work much less than the people that are "grinding". Grinding wears you out. And when you're worn out, you make bad decisions and you perform poorly, and worse than that you turn into a task monkey that fails to find better ways to get stuff done.
 
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