Hart should drop the staff budget if...

#51
#51
The original point makes some sense. The Cincy staff may be good--they'd better be!--but I don't think UT envisioned freeing up $3 M for the staff so that Jones could give massive pay raises to his bearcat coaches. Jones has had some success in Cincy, probably doesn't know a huge number of coaches around the country, and so will stay with guys he's comfortable with. There is something to be said for that--and if that proves the case, perhaps he need not spend $3 million plus. Maybe he gives his guys signficant pay raises but leaves some staff money in the account. I'm curious to know what the cincy coordinators were making last year.
 
#52
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VOLorNuttin said:
You know what? I damn well could.

I was for hiring Gary Patterson or Brian Kelly instead of Kiffin = Right as Rain.

I was for Kevin Sumlin (who did want the job at that time) instead of Dooley = Right as Rain.

I was for Hart cutting the cord with Dooley LAST year, after the KY fiasco and his subsequent loss of 80% of his staff. Why? Because he was dead in the water at that point. 7 of his 9 assistants knew it, too. = Right as Rain

With Gruden aside, I was for Gary Patterson as the top candidate...again. Was reported to be interested the last 2 times around. Not a single mention of his name this time around. Somebody want to tell me that for $4-4.5mill/yr, he wouldn't take this job, with all the talent it has? = Right as Rain
That's 4-0 against all the Kiffinistas and Doolanders.
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Couldn't be more wrong. Unlike your uneducated self, I live right here in Fort Worth. Thus is an area swimming in cash right now because of natural gas. TCU will pay Patterson whatever it takes to keep him. Throw in the fact that he married a TCU alum and they seem to be right at home here, and your chances of pulling Patterson away right now are right at zero.

I love your hindsight analysis on the rest of the topics. Always easy to predict the results after the fact.

Finally, I watch Gary Patterson and his teams a lot. I think he is awesome. I see a lot of Gary Patterson in Butch Jones.
 
#53
#53
Hart's new hair makes him look like Herman Munster. Just add a few neck bolts and he's even scarier.
 
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EZE said:
Couldn't be more wrong. Unlike your uneducated self, I live right here in Fort Worth. Thus is an area swimming in cash right now because of natural gas. TCU will pay Patterson whatever it takes to keep him. Throw in the fact that he married a TCU alum and they seem to be right at home here, and your chances of pulling Patterson away right now are right at zero.

I love your hindsight analysis on the rest of the topics. Always easy to predict the results after the fact.

Finally, I watch Gary Patterson and his teams a lot. I think he is awesome. I see a lot of Gary Patterson in Butch Jones.
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Yeah this guy is full of these hindsight deals. Can't comprehend cause you know what???...We R UT DANG IT!!!

With that said though...Patterson was reported to be turned down for Kiffin but who knows again reported. That of course was when tcu was not in the big 12. Now though there is no way he leaves to anywhere. UTex would have the only chance when it comes up.

This guys sumlin love fest is crazy. He seriously is not a team rebuilder he's a coattail rider. Did it at UH and got out while he was at the top. He was handed a sweet deal at A&M and this poster seriously doesn't understand the difference from taking over a program on good ground needing a change of pace and a program needing to be rebuilt. Seriously dude take the sumlin poster of your ceiling...:blink:
 
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SCowlsVOL said:
I totally agree! i'm def not impressed. His definition and my definition of the best are really different.
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One thing I like about CBJ is that he has shown really quickly that he doesn't care what you think he should do. He's gonna do what he's gonna do, and you and I will have to deal. So far, that has included winning, so I hope that trend continues.
 
#58
#58
Some of you guys are simply beyond human comprehension. Butch Jones has barely been in Knoxville for 48 hours and you are already Monday-morning quarterbacking the micromanagement of his staff selection process. Oh wait, it isn't even Monday morning, yet, is it? Why don't we wait until we actually KNOW what his staff is going to look like before launching into the knee-jerk hypercritical mode for which so many contributors to this forum are renowned? If he winds up with seven out of nine members of his coaching staff as members of his previous regime at Cincinnati, then you have legitimate grounds for criticism.
 
#59
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EZE said:
Couldn't be more wrong. Unlike your uneducated self, I live right here in Fort Worth. Thus is an area swimming in cash right now because of natural gas. TCU will pay Patterson whatever it takes to keep him. Throw in the fact that he married a TCU alum and they seem to be right at home here, and your chances of pulling Patterson away right now are right at zero.

I love your hindsight analysis on the rest of the topics. Always easy to predict the results after the fact.

Finally, I watch Gary Patterson and his teams a lot. I think he is awesome. I see a lot of Gary Patterson in Butch Jones.
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Given your background, it is comforting to see the parallels that you cited between Gary Patterson and Butch Jones. However, regardless of how low the probability of success would have been, Gary Patterson is the one coach, given his extraordinary defensive expertise, that I wish Dave Hart would have put forth a full-court press, maximal offer and made Patterson say "Thanks, but no thanks." A rejection from Patterson would have been much more palatable than one from Charlie Strong. Patterson is clearly a top-10 caliber coach; Strong isn't.
 
#60
#60
Nothing funnier than message board guy pretending he has any idea about the quality of a position coach.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
You know what? I damn well could.

I was for hiring Gary Patterson or Brian Kelly instead of Kiffin = Right as Rain.

I was for Kevin Sumlin (who did want the job at that time) instead of Dooley = Right as Rain.

I was for Hart cutting the cord with Dooley LAST year, after the KY fiasco and his subsequent loss of 80% of his staff. Why? Because he was dead in the water at that point. 7 of his 9 assistants knew it, too. = Right as Rain

With Gruden aside, I was for Gary Patterson as the top candidate...again. Was reported to be interested the last 2 times around. Not a single mention of his name this time around. Somebody want to tell me that for $4-4.5mill/yr, he wouldn't take this job, with all the talent it has? = Right as Rain

That's 4-0 against all the Kiffinistas and Doolanders.
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It's easy to say what you would have done after the fact.
 
#64
#64
f77f00 said:
This guy may be delusional and/or full of ****. Best program in the country? Best staff in the country? No on both counts, not even by the biggest homer out there.

You have to be honest before you can improve. This is going to be an uphill battle to return UT to prominence and this guy is acting like we are already there.

The best programs and the best staffs in the country prove it in the W/L column.

Editing to add this: I sincerely hope BJ and his staff return UT to the point where we can claim to be "the best" at something...hell anything other than winning the Fulmer cup.
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You guys *****ed when Dooley was negative and said "We're not a good football team" saying he should be more positive and now you're *****ing because Butch is too positive? El oh el, you people are crazy.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
CBJ is just going to bring 80-90% of his staff from Cincinnati. Why give him a fat ($3mill +) budget that's intended for him to go out and make splash hires, when he has no intention of doing that?

Hart should stipulate in his staff contract negotiations that every staff member that follows him get no more than a 50% raise from their previous salary. If he wants to look out for his buds more than the program, then they shouldn't get to cash in. That's abusing the generosity extended to him.

Stipulate that if his staff is comprised of more than 50% former cohorts, then the overall budget drops to $2mill or less
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Looks like the same ole geezers who thought we ought to bring Fulmer back also think Hart did a good job with this coaching search! Hart should have had a professional search firm looking for candidates who wanted to coach at UT come up with a short list instead of handling things alone and bungling the process, embarrassing UT by having the likes of Strong and Gundy publicly rebuff him! He obviously gave the job (AND opened the athletic dept's checkbook WIDE) for the first guy who would take it.
It isn't Jones fault. Of course he would leave Cincinnati for UT and the SEC (all coaches have egos) and $3mill.
As much as I hate to say it, this inept search by Hart has exposed him for a has ben. What do you think he did at bammer? I'll tell you: carry Mal Moore's briefcase and fill in while Mal was out of the office. He was hired there bec he was an old bammer alum who needed a job til he could retire. The probability is that he and Jones will be gone in about 3 more years.
Butch Jones said he would assemble a coaching staff "second to none". If all he does instead is bring most of his guys from UC, then he should NOT have $3mill or more to squander on them instead of big league proven assistants.
 
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#67
#67
SouthKnoxVOL said:
Oh look...someone else that thinks they could easily do Dave Hart's better than him.
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Oh look, another "trust the administration no matter what" a$$kisser !!!

Man do we have way too many of these in our fan base.
 
#68
#68
VolunteerHillbilly said:
My dog could do a better job. Just put a check under the collar with a note and point her in the right direction. Butch Jones is the coach and he'll get his chance to show us if he can recruit and win in the SEC. Dave Hart needs to be fired yesterday.
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He already said no.

Dog will not coach TN.jpg
 
#69
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87Vol said:
Oh look, another "trust the administration no matter what" a$$kisser !!!

Man do we have way too many of these in our fan base.
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Why would a fan have a reason to kiss up to the AD?
 
#70
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VOLorNuttin said:
CBJ is just going to bring 80-90% of his staff from Cincinnati. Why give him a fat ($3mill +) budget that's intended for him to go out and make splash hires, when he has no intention of doing that?

Hart should stipulate in his staff contract negotiations that every staff member that follows him get no more than a 50% raise from their previous salary. If he wants to look out for his buds more than the program, then they shouldn't get to cash in. That's abusing the generosity extended to him.

Stipulate that if his staff is comprised of more than 50% former cohorts, then the overall budget drops to $2mill or less
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80-90% of his staff from UC? Where did you learn math?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
CBJ is just going to bring 80-90% of his staff from Cincinnati. Why give him a fat ($3mill +) budget that's intended for him to go out and make splash hires, when he has no intention of doing that?
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Thigpen... BOOM! :lolabove:
 
#73
#73
ReelfootVol said:
Let the man who makes the 3 mill per year make the decisions who he wants on HIS staff. After all, his livelyhood is at stake, not ours !!! He is the coach , not Vol Nation. What we think does not really matter in the win or loss column. I agree, it does matter to us who buy tickets. BJ is the one running this show , not us.
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Yeah, it's his job on the line... if he fails he only makes $2 million a year for the remainder of contract instead of $3 million a year.
 
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