harvard professor breaks into his own house, gets arrested, cites racism

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k-town_king said:
Nope. I just read a bunch of different articles about the situation from different sources. By law in Mass the officer is bound to provide an ID card upon request. He refused, and didnt like that he was asked for it. He couldnt arrest him in the home so he waited till Gates went to talk to the HPD to get his badge number. But what he said and did, didnt meet the Mass defintion of disordely conduct. Furthermore he was on his private property. In Mass the only time you can be arrested for disorderly conduct on private property is if there was a large group meeting there and you engage in disorderly conduct. This was not the case. He was some a-hole with a badge mad that there was a well of Black man who questioned his actions.
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For the life of me I don't understand why you don't see that your last statement is a HUGE assumption about the cop's motivation.
 
#103
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k-town_king said:
Nope. I just read a bunch of different articles about the situation from different sources. By law in Mass the officer is bound to provide an ID card upon request. He refused, and didnt like that he was asked for it. He couldnt arrest him in the home so he waited till Gates went to talk to the HPD to get his badge number. But what he said and did, didnt meet the Mass defintion of disordely conduct. Furthermore he was on his private property. In Mass the only time you can be arrested for disorderly conduct on private property is if there was a large group meeting there and you engage in disorderly conduct. This was not the case. He was some a-hole with a badge mad that there was a well of Black man who questioned his actions.
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bs. if i talked to a cop that way i'd get arrested too. no doubt in my mind.
 
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k-town_king said:
Nope. I just read a bunch of different articles about the situation from different sources. By law in Mass the officer is bound to provide an ID card upon request. He refused, and didnt like that he was asked for it. He couldnt arrest him in the home so he waited till Gates went to talk to the HPD to get his badge number. But what he said and did, didnt meet the Mass defintion of disordely conduct. Furthermore he was on his private property. In Mass the only time you can be arrested for disorderly conduct on private property is if there was a large group meeting there and you engage in disorderly conduct. This was not the case. He was some a-hole with a badge mad that there was a well of Black man who questioned his actions.
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from the outside looking in....
 
#106
#106
gates mistake was thinking that because he was a harvard professor that he deserved to be treated better than the rest of us. let me tell you something about cops. they don't like elitist rich people. i can't tell you how many times i've been pulled over and had a cop pull the "why do you think you are better than the rest of us" crap. something about me must scream WASPY rich prick to police officers for some reason. that is why i kiss their arse like crazy any time i get pulled over now.
 
#107
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k-town_king said:
Nope. I just read a bunch of different articles about the situation from different sources. By law in Mass the officer is bound to provide an ID card upon request. He refused, and didnt like that he was asked for it. He couldnt arrest him in the home so he waited till Gates went to talk to the HPD to get his badge number. But what he said and did, didnt meet the Mass defintion of disordely conduct. Furthermore he was on his private property. In Mass the only time you can be arrested for disorderly conduct on private property is if there was a large group meeting there and you engage in disorderly conduct. This was not the case. He was some a-hole with a badge mad that there was a well of Black man who questioned his actions.
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Gates took the opportunity, of a neighbor tring to help protect the man's property and the officer doing his job by investigating, to show his ass.
The report I read said there was another person with him. I beleive he started being an ass to show his friend that he was "somebody".
The "this does not rise to disorderly concuct" excuse is crap. Go any where and get in an officers face the way Gates did, and see what happens to you. "Questioned his actions"...that is rich! He abused him verbally and is now hiding behind the fact that he is black.
 
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k-town_king said:
Nope. I just read a bunch of different articles about the situation from different sources. By law in Mass the officer is bound to provide an ID card upon request. He refused, and didnt like that he was asked for it. He couldnt arrest him in the home so he waited till Gates went to talk to the HPD to get his badge number. But what he said and did, didnt meet the Mass defintion of disordely conduct. Furthermore he was on his private property. In Mass the only time you can be arrested for disorderly conduct on private property is if there was a large group meeting there and you engage in disorderly conduct. This was not the case. He was some a-hole with a badge mad that there was a well of Black man who questioned his actions.
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It wasn't his property,..the home belongs to Harvard.

The officer mentioned is an outstanding, highly respected man on the force that also instructed racial profiling seminars within the force.
 
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AirVol said:
It wasn't his property,..the home belongs to Harvard.

The officer mentioned is an outstanding, highly respected man on the force that also instructed racial profiling seminars within the force.
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don't confuse him with facts...it is ALL about being black
 
#110
#110
When I first moved to the Chicago suburbs I lived in a crappy apartment complex. One night in my first week there, I heard a pounding on my door at 11 or so. When I looked out the peephole, no one was there but I could see two people standing back against the wall on either side of the door. Before I could react, they shouted POLICE, OPEN THE DOOR.

I opened the door and they told me they were looking for some guy (not my name). I told them I didn't know who it was. They said they were serving a warrant and I matched the physical description of the guy. Crap! The asked for ID. I fished it out of a drawer knowing it was a Tennessee license and that might look suspicious. I started wondering how I could prove I wasn't that dude. They were satisfied and left.

Next night, the same thing. Pounding on the door, hiding to the side, commanding me to open the door. Different cops this time. I knew the drill, showed my ID and they left.

My point?

1. I knew better than to flip out and start screaming at the cops.
2. If I had flipped out, I have no doubt I'd have been cuffed and taken in.
3. Eventhough I thought the second visit was harassment, I didn't over-react.

Turns out, duty cops were picking up warrant sheets and serving them. The cops that came the first time failed to indicate the dude didn't live there anymore so the next round of cops tried to serve it again. A call to the Chief straightened it out.
 
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droski said:
bs. if i talked to a cop that way i'd get arrested too. no doubt in my mind.
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We have all seen the clips were the white people cuss out the officers on traffic stops and tear up citations and still not get arrested. So maybe you would, but a great chance not. Anyway if you said what he said, where he said it ,if you were arrested it would be a wrongful arrest. He said or did nothing illegal. It was an abuse of authority. Gates showed who he was when he was not required my Mass law to. He ask the officer to do the same. By law he is bound to, the officer broke the law not producing his ID card with his name and badge number. Insisting with his request for ID and claiming racial bias is not a crime and not disorderly conduct. Especially on his own property. If he did not threaten the officer he broke no law and was wrongfully arrested. He arrested him for claiming bias and asking for ID. Sounds like he didnt want to be questioned, not that he really thought the man was breaking a law.
 
#114
#114
the fact is gates was in no position to demand anything. it's clear that gates was race baiting from the beginning. the first thing he does is refuse to come out on the porch when the officer asked him to. the next thing he did was throw out racial accusations. he set the tone for the entire incident.
 
#115
#115
A key fact in this case is the history of this officer. By all accounts he is highly qualified and has a clean record. There is no evidence (to date) that he is a rogue cop or a power abuser in any way.

People are jumping on him being racist because Gates said he's racist. That's a pretty low burden of proof...
 
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droski said:
the fact is gates was in no position to demand anything. it's clear that gates was race baiting from the beginning. the first thing he does is refuse to come out on the porch when the officer asked him to. the next thing he did was throw out racial accusations. he set the tone for the entire incident.
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but that OK because he is a "PROUD BLACK MAN"
 
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k-town_king said:
We have all seen the clips were the white people cuss out the officers on traffic stops and tear up citations and still not get arrested. So maybe you would, but a great chance not. Anyway if you said what he said, where he said it ,if you were arrested it would be a wrongful arrest. He said or did nothing illegal. It was an abuse of authority. Gates showed who he was when he was not required by Mass law to. He ask the officer to do the same. By law he is bound to, the officer broke the law not producing his ID card with his name and badge number. Insisting with his request for ID and claiming racial bias is not a crime and not disorderly conduct. Especially on his own property. If he did not threaten the officer he broke no law and was wrongfully arrested. He arrested him for claiming bias and asking for ID. Sounds like he didnt want to be questioned, not that he really thought the man was breaking a law.
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so I guess if you want to break into houses, go to Mass. because you aren't required by law to show ID if you get caught by the police. you can just say you live there and the cops have to take your word for it. pretty sweet deal.
 
#119
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kev20 said:
so I guess if you want to break into houses, go to Mass. because you aren't required by law to show ID if you get caught by the police. you can just say you live there and the cops have to take your word for it. pretty sweet deal.
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does sound nice.

Police: "sir we have a report of a break in. I see the door was broken into. do you live here?"

Me: "sure do!"

Police: "great. Have a nice day! You want some help "moving" that tv to your car?"
 
#120
#120
or.......

witness: "There's someone breaking into the house next door!"

police: "Nah, it's probably just the owner. Thanks for calling though, racist!"
 
#121
#121
Obama all over CNN apologizing his ass off. :eek:lol:

A Black officer on scene supports his White colleague 100%.

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.

Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates' reaction to Crowley was "a little bit stranger than it should have been."

Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said supported Crowley "100 percent."
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A multiracial group of police officers stands beside Police Sgt. James Crowley.

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A multiracial group of police officers on Friday stood with the white officer who arrested a prominent black Harvard scholar and asked President Barack Obama and Gov. Deval Patrick to apologize for comments the union leaders called insulting.

Obama said Wednesday that Cambridge police "acted stupidly" during the disorderly conduct arrest of his friend, Henry Louis Gates Jr., in his own home near Harvard University. Gov. Deval Patrick said Gates' arrest was "every black man's nightmare."

Dennis O'Connor, president of the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association, said Obama's remarks were "misdirected" and the Cambridge police "deeply resent the implication" that race was a factor in the arrest.

"President Obama said the actions of the CPD were stupid and linked the event to the history of racial profiling in America," O'Connor said. "The facts of the case suggested that the president used the right adjective but directed it to the wrong party."
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Both stories HERE
 
#123
#123
What the hell does this mean?

Obama spoke about two hours after police unions in Massachusetts called on him to apologize. He did not apologize for his remark but repeated that he believed his choice of words was unfortunate.
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The police were definitely wrong but Gates "may have been wrong?

He reiterated his assertion that he believes police overreacted, but said Gates "probably overreacted as well."
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And this from the "victim" himself:

Gates said Wednesday he would listen to Crowley "if he would tell the truth about what he did, about the distortions that he fabricated in the police report. I would be prepared as a human being to forgive him."
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Clearly Gates believes he did absolutely nothing wrong.
 
#124
#124
1) I doubt Gates needed to be arrested. That said I have not read the reports so I guess this makes me qualified to be POTUS.
2) The current leader of the free world is a lightweight, borderline fool. He can speak clearly and understands the definitions of multisyllabic words. Big deal, he is still a fool.
3) The whole inviting the parties involved to the White House for a beer is George Bushesque. Enjoy your change people. But he is sooooo insightful and thoughtful.
4) The nation will need to view this administration as a "teachable moment."
 
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allvol123 said:
1) I doubt Gates needed to be arrested. That said I have not read the reports so I guess this makes me qualified to be POTUS.
2) The current leader of the free world is a lightweight, COMPLETE fool. He can speak clearly and understands the definitions of multisyllabic words. Big deal, he is still a fool.
3) The whole inviting the parties involved to the White House for a beer is George Bushesque. Enjoy your change people. But he is sooooo insightful and thoughtful.
4) The nation will need to view this administration as a "teachable moment."
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