Has the talent dropped this much?????

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You guys need more speed. A lot more. Here's an Orlando Sentinel article on what UF is doing to improve itself in that respect. Fulmer could take a lesson here..

GAINESVILLE -- The meeting took place 18 months ago, and the message delighted Florida track and field Coach Mike Holloway.

Urban Meyer, the new guy in charge in the football office, had tracked down Holloway to share a goal. Achieving it, Meyer hinted, would help bring both men championships.

"He said he wanted his team to be the fastest in the country," Holloway recalled this spring. "And he wanted more of his guys to come run for me."

So started a partnership that has stretched deep into its second year and bolstered Florida's football and track programs. The coaches communicate often, mostly during recruiting season.

"Mike Holloway has been great to work with," Meyer said. "He's a real team guy. He comes to recruiting breakfasts and helps us as much as he can."

The fruits of the relationship will come this winter when freshmen Percy Harvin and Wondy Pierre-Louis compete in major indoor and outdoor meets.

Pierre-Louis won the Florida Class 4A long- and triple-jump championships in 2005. The same spring, Harvin won four individual gold medals and a relay gold in the Virginia state championships, the first such feat in 69 years.

Neither participated in track and field state meets this year, but Holloway said both are slated to come back to the sport this school year. Harvin can't wait.

"I love running track," he said in May. "It's just me out there, running as fast as I can."

Harvin and Pierre-Louis will be the first Gators football players to run track since 2004 when Dee Webb sprinted after his freshman football season. In recent years, the most famous dual-sport star at Florida was John Capel, a wide receiver and NCAA champion sprinter who eventually won a world track title and pursued an NFL career.

Capel's crossover came when Steve Spurrier coached the football team and Holloway was the track team's associate head coach. Like Meyer, Spurrier encouraged his athletes to play both sports, Holloway said. But the football-track relationship was less open under former coach Ron Zook.

"It wasn't that Coach Zook dissuaded it, but he didn't really seek it out," Holloway said. "Coach Spurrier was open to it. And Coach Meyer, man, he really wants to see it happen."

Meyer speaks with envy about his previous coaching stops, where several players ran track in the offseason. But a look around his state and league show that the practice seems popular almost everywhere else.

Michael Ray Garvin, a member of Florida State's 4 x 100 relay team that helped the Seminoles win a team national title in June, is a defensive back for Bobby Bowden.

Xavier Carter, whom Meyer feared as a return man when the Gators and LSU met a year ago, recently left the Tigers to turn pro in track and field and signed a six-year endorsement deal with Nike.

And Miami's successful track programs have been anchored by sprinters Santana Moss, Andre Johnson and Devin Hester, all football players. 'Canes Sinorice Moss and Kelly Jennings participated in both sports a year ago.

For 18 months, Meyer and Holloway have worked toward creating a similar situation at UF. Meyer hopes to see some early returns soon.

"We'd love to have a relay team of football players," Meyer said. "I would love to see that."
 
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if it were as simple as throwing the football to a track-star, Leonard Scott would have been an all-american. Too bad he had bricks hanging from his wrists.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Aug 3 said:
You guys need more speed. A lot more. Here's an Orlando Sentinel article on what UF is doing to improve itself in that respect. Fulmer could take a lesson here..

You are 100% correct. Objective posters understand how badly UT's lack of speed has hurt our special teams over the last few years (especially last year).
 
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(VOLinSC @ Aug 3 said:
In reference to your comment though, I don't know what "marginal" talent you're referring to. I think our last recruiting class was pretty week, but we're coming off a 5-6 record. And if not winning the SEC for 7 years "speaks volumes about the talent you have," then why is Florida widely considered one of the top 2 most talented teams in the conference?

If Fla were that talented Ron Zook might still have a job at Fla. They experienced a talent drought as well. They remedied their situation by hiring a hot coach who is bringing top recruits in hand over fist.

Marginal means average. It means we used to have the talent to kick the crap out of the South Carolinas, Kentuckys, Ole Misses, and most importantly the Vanderbilts of the world. The rest of the conference is catching up and surpassing UT on the field. Mark Richt owns CPF. UT has allowed itself to become marginal.
 
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(Lexvol @ Aug 3 said:
If Fla were that talented Ron Zook might still have a job at Fla. They experienced a talent drought as well. They remedied their situation by hiring a hot coach who is bringing top recruits in hand over fist.

Marginal means average. It means we used to have the talent to kick the crap out of the South Carolinas, Kentuckys, Ole Misses, and most importantly the Vanderbilts of the world. The rest of the conference is catching up and surpassing UT on the field. Mark Richt owns CPF. UT has allowed itself to become marginal.
Tennessee=The Texas Tech of the SEC.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 3 said:
Tennessee=The Texas Tech of the SEC.

Correction: some people believe Texas Tech will win their division.
 
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(vader @ Aug 3 said:
Correction: some people believe Texas Tech will win their division.

Some people believe it about Tennessee, too. And they aren't UT fans.

But I like the Tennessee/Texas Tech comparison.

 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 3 said:
I haven't missed the focus at all. Your intent is to carry water for TCHFCATUTK. You attempt to minimalize the disaster that was last season by talking about how "close" we were to being successful. Any team that loses to Vanderbilt is suffering from a talent deficiency. Period.

You can live in 2005 all you want, I was (in my previous posts in this thread) and am focused on the present, 2006.

And regarding Vanderbilt, it was the 2nd longest winning streak over a team in the nation. All streaks must come to an end. That game was an instance of Vanderbilt having one of its better teams and Tennessee packing it in for the season after already suffering 5 losses.

Your attempts to flame me are futile. I will not respond to your water jug comment.

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(allvol @ Aug 4 said:
You can live in 2005 all you want, I was (in my previous posts in this thread) and am focused on the present, 2006.

And regarding Vanderbilt, it was the 2nd longest winning streak over a team in the nation. All streaks must come to an end. That game was an instance of Vanderbilt having one of its better teams and Tennessee packing it in for the season after already suffering 5 losses.

Your attempts to flame me are futile. I will not respond to your water jug comment.

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You claim to be a statistical expert, so I'll pose a question that will bear out my point about Vanderbilt. When was the last time they beat a team that was even merely good, let alone of championship caliber? Also, I'm glad you are able to admit the players quit on TCHFCATUTK last year. That speaks volumes about his leadership skills.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 4 said:
Also, I'm glad you are able to admit the players quit on TCHFCATUTK last year. That speaks volumes about his leadership skills.

Not that I don't agree, but sometimes people just quit and not even the best leaders could have changed it.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 4 said:
You claim to be a statistical expert, so I'll pose a question that will bear out my point about Vanderbilt. When was the last time they beat a team that was even merely good, let alone of championship caliber? Also, I'm glad you are able to admit the players quit on TCHFCATUTK last year. That speaks volumes about his leadership skills.

Vanderbilt 43, at Georgia 30 (10/15/94)

Eric Zeier's senior season

FYI - I don't claim to be a "statistical expert", one of the mods on the board gave me that title.
 
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(allvol @ Aug 4 said:
Vanderbilt 43, at Georgia 30 (10/15/94)

Eric Zeier's senior season

FYI - I don't claim to be a "statistical expert", one of the mods on the board gave me that title.
allvol is a statistical maniac. :biggrin2:
 
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(allvol @ Aug 4 said:
Vanderbilt 43, at Georgia 30 (10/15/94)

Eric Zeier's senior season

FYI - I don't claim to be a "statistical expert", one of the mods on the board gave me that title.
Georgia went 6-4-1 in '94. That's good? Well, I guess it is when compared to 5-6.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 4 said:
Georgia went 6-4-1 in '94. That's good? Well, I guess it is when compared to 5-6.

You asked for a team that was "merely good or of championship caliber." I would consider '94 Georgia to be "merely good", however, as with alot of the Dawgs teams in the 90's.... their expectations (championship) were a bit higher for Zeier's last season.
 
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While we never should have lost to Vandy, I think most would agree that last year was not the typical version of Vandy football that we've grown accustomed to.
 
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(GAVol @ Aug 4 said:
While we never should have lost to Vandy, I think most would agree that last year was not the typical version of Vandy football that we've grown accustomed to.
They had a quality QB, otherwise they were the same old Vanderbilt. For God's sake, they lost to MTSU and Kentucky. It was a disgrace of historical proportions to lose to them. Period.
 
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There is no excuse for losing to a team that could not beat MTSU. Period. :disappointed:
 
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(vader @ Aug 4 said:
There is no excuse for losing to a team that could not beat MTSU. Period. :disappointed:

Since we beat Memphis, and Vandy beat us, and MTSU beat Vandy... I guess that makes MTSU state champions. Go Blue Raiders!
 
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(orange+white=heaven @ Aug 4 said:
Last year is over. Period.


Exactly, move on. Don't worry about Pre-Season All SEC players, lets just get it done on the field.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 4 said:
They had a quality QB, otherwise they were the same old Vanderbilt. For God's sake, they lost to MTSU and Kentucky. It was a disgrace of historical proportions to lose to them. Period.

I agree that it was disgraceful, but you have to admit that they caught us with our pants down at just the right time (with a QB that did manage to beat Ole Miss and Arkansas, while playing both Florida and South Carolina within 7 points).
 

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