Hat Crimes

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#378
luthervol said:
No. I do have a 25 year old Greenpeace tee shirt that I may stumble across once a summer. My daughters got RBG tee shirts for Christmas. I'm sure that some are offended by those,
I do have several Jimmy Carter items but they're more of a collectible.
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Damn, how old are you? I voted for him in the mid 70's when I was first eligible to vote. I've since grown up.
 
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#379
#379
luthervol said:
Only enough time to quickly respond to one, so I pick Hogg.
I stated that the red MAGA hat was becoming a symbol (no longer just a hat) much like the confederate flag or swastika.
You can disagree all you wish, but it's a fact.
People disagreed with the confederate flag becoming the symbol which it became, but it didn't change the reality.
I'm sure some disagreed with the way the symbolism of the swastika evolved, but it didn't change the reality.
Of course I don't find wearing a hat as equally disgusting as physical assault, no one does, that's absurd.
What I find equally disgusting is knowingly displaying a symbol that has come to represent bigotry, hatred, and racism to a critical mass of society.
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What crimes have the people wearing those hats committed against people that refuse to wear them to provide evidence that it has become a symbol? The only evidence that it has become a symbol are the criers still objecting over losing an election. There is no history, nor evidence of hate crimes and bigotry behind a red hat as can be argued about the swastika or confederate flag. The only substantial bigotry is against those choosing to exercise free support of what is considered dissenting conservative views.
 
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luthervol said:
And to think he's still a despised racists in the eyes of most all of those people he so generously helped. He made the calculated choice of which side to placate.
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So, all the pics of him with Sharpton, Jackson, etc., etc., and all appearing to be enjoying themselves is also Fake news?
 
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luthervol said:
No. I do have a 25 year old Greenpeace tee shirt that I may stumble across once a summer. My daughters got RBG tee shirts for Christmas. I'm sure that some are offended by those,
I do have several Jimmy Carter items but they're more of a collectible.
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I assume that is by choice? So, if one chooses, have they not the freedom to wear supportive apparel, free of discrimination, if they so choose? Having a voice, and a choice is a two way street.
 
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luthervol said:
Good post. (for the most part) I think I go on more vacations than 90% of the country and I have loads of interactions out in that proverbial real world. I agree with most of what you say. We are all much more alike than we are different, which is all the more reason to be saddened to witness what Trump is doing to this country.
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Yeah. Real bummer he's trying to fix what Obama messed up.
 
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GVF said:
Maybe not to the person wearing them. I fail to see the difference in that verses wearing clothing that supports sports teams or specific schools, etc.
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Just stating an opinion, I’m sure people who do wear them disagree with me. Politics isn’t a game, there are no teams. If you feel so personally connected to a party or politician that you want to show pride in them by wearing apparel you may need to re-evaluate the way you view politics and how much you let it effect you, again jmo.
 
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#385
When seeing liberal behavior in the press at any of these protests, their inability to intelligently communicate with any kind of personal control reminds me of a sign in an old pool hall we went to growing up. (They didn't allow cursing).

"Profanity is the layman's way of trying to express themselves intelligently with limited awareness and vocabulary,"
 
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Smokey123 said:
Just stating an opinion, I’m sure people who do wear them disagree with me. Politics isn’t a game, there are no teams. If you feel so personally connected to a party or politician that you want to show pride in them by wearing apparel you may need to re-evaluate the way you view politics and how much you let it effect you, again jmo.
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Politics is the biggest game in town. And sides are forced. And if you don't pick Team Lib, you are all kinds of bad things. And if you are Team Red and express your views in any form or fashion you will be assaulted.

I do not own political support apparel. Don't think I ever have that I recall. I am conservative, and could care less if anyone wears Lib shirts or Red shirts. and I'm certainly not going to jump on and assault someone for walking down the street in Lib agenda apparel. Or for going to buy a cup of coffee, or whatever.

For those that do wear political apparel publically, it's a choice that does not warrant judgement or persecution in either direction. It says more of the character and mental instability of those doing the bashing than it does of those doing the wearing.
 
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GVF said:
Politics is the biggest game in town. And sides are forced. And if you don't pick Team Lib, you are all kinds of bad things. And if you are Team Red and express your views in any form or fashion you will be assaulted.

I do not own political support apparel. Don't think I ever have that I recall. I am conservative, and could care less if anyone wears Lib shirts or Red shirts. and I'm certainly not going to jump on and assault someone for walking down the street in Lib agenda apparel. Or for going to buy a cup of coffee, or whatever.

For those that do wear political apparel publically, it's a choice that does not warrant judgement or persecution in either direction. It says more of the character and mental instability of those doing the bashing than it does of those doing the wearing.
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Sides aren’t forced.
Of course they can wear it, wear whatever they want in public, I couldn’t care less if they wear a MAGA hat or a F Trump shirt. Won’t stop me from thinking it’s stupid tho
 
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GVF said:
When seeing liberal behavior in the press at any of these protests, their inability to intelligently communicate with any kind of personal control reminds me of a sign in an old pool hall we went to growing up. (They didn't allow cursing).

"Profanity is the layman's way of trying to express themselves intelligently with limited awareness and vocabulary,"
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Hasn’t Trump cursed a few times at his rallies?
 
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luthervol said:
True. As long as we acknowledge the sequence of events. I would also add that just as people should voice their lack of acceptance and tolerance for that type of disgusting unprovoked violence, people should also clearly voice their lack of acceptance and tolerance for the "I know he's disgusting and horrible....but they all are" train of thought; because that's truly the train that's running us off the rails.
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I would amend that by adding the train that is truly running us off the rails is supporting, covering up, turning a blind eye to illegal activities, etc., of government officials in your party, but going all holier than thou against Trump. It needs to stop somewhere, but you protected Bill, Hillary, Obama, and a host of other cronies, but Trump is illegal? And Trump is trash? That's the outrage. The hypocrisy. The division. If the Libs had taken the same posture against their own, and stood on legal lines, then we wouldn't even be debating a red hat. and the elite of the Dim Party are just as dirty and hypocritical as those before them and the Trump they hate. The division in politics and America today started with failing to impeach Clinton when it should have happened. It has slowly brewed since then. Trump is no more publically embarrassing than a president who couldn't keep his pants zipped in the Office of America.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Hasn’t Trump cursed a few times at his rallies?
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Yep. He needs a dictionary as well. Maybe he can share it with all those wild eyed folks at those protests that can't even put a sentence together without screaming incoherently and uncontrollably.
 
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#393
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Smokey123 said:
Sides aren’t forced.
Of course they can wear it, wear whatever they want in public, I couldn’t care less if they wear a MAGA hat or a F Trump shirt. Won’t stop me from thinking it’s stupid tho
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That I agree with.
 
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Smokey123 said:
That’s when he was elected... How many Obama shirts you see today?
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A bunch.....a ton of bumper stickers. It isn't because people are afraid to wear them either. One incident 10 years ago didn't create that much fear.........oh wait, what a dumbass, this is liberals I am talking about.

See shadow = piss pants/pantsuit
 
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VolStrom said:
Damn, how old are you? I voted for him in the mid 70's when I was first eligible to vote. I've since grown up.
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1960 - Missed voting for him by 2 years. My first presidential vote was in the 1980 fiasco; an epiphany for me and the true beginning of deficit spending for the US.
 
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GVF said:
So, all the pics of him with Sharpton, Jackson, etc., etc., and all appearing to be enjoying themselves is also Fake news?
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He knew which side he could most easily manipulate. Roger Stone picked him early.
 
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luthervol said:
No. I do have a 25 year old Greenpeace tee shirt that I may stumble across once a summer. My daughters got RBG tee shirts for Christmas. I'm sure that some are offended by those,
I do have several Jimmy Carter items but they're more of a collectible.
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This is my new Greenpeace........
Our Story
 
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GVF said:
I assume that is by choice? So, if one chooses, have they not the freedom to wear supportive apparel, free of discrimination, if they so choose? Having a voice, and a choice is a two way street.
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Sure, and people are free to interpret what you are wearing as they wish.
 
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luthervol said:
1960 - Missed voting for him by 2 years. My first presidential vote was in the 1980 fiasco; an epiphany for me and the true beginning of deficit spending for the US.
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1959 here......Happy to say that I am 7-4 (although, I was ambivalent about Clinton's 2nd term) and looking forward to 8-4 in 2020. It's like Bama looking at UT the last few years......
 
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