Hate For Hart?

[iVol4Life]

This is something I simply don't understand. What has the man done to warrant everyone wishing him gone? This is seriously just stuff I've seen spewed all over VN, without a single poster providing any evidence as to why the guy is "incompetent".

It isn't his fault half of the fanbase wanted an unrealistic (and potentially stupid) hire.

We didn't get our #1 guy, but we got a huge upgrade over Dooley. I don't see the problem.

 

[hillarious_vol]

VOLnation wants star power...big name...I want a winner, I think Butch is a winner...GO VOLS GREAT HIRE

 

[give_him 6]

This is something I simply don't understand. What has the man done to warrant everyone wishing him gone? This is seriously just stuff I've seen spewed all over VN, without a single poster providing any evidence as to why the guy is "incompetent".

It isn't his fault half of the fanbase wanted an unrealistic (and potentially stupid) hire.

We didn't get our #1 guy, but we got a huge upgrade over Dooley. I don't see the problem.

I'd say because he botched the most important coaching search in recent memory and was publicly rejected by 2 coaches not even worthy of coaching the Vols....IMO.

 

[coffeecountyvol]

he hired a coach that lost to Dooley...Jk I really don't get why people are jumping the gun. He hired a guy with a proven winning record, which is more than Hamilton did for us. The only small bit of incompetence that we can really shed light on is that he went for Strong, read him wrong, and ended up getting Strong a raise.

 

[whobethis16]

I'd say because he botched the most important coaching search in recent memory and was publicly rejected by 2 coaches not even worthy of coaching the Vols....IMO.

Hence why you're not the AD at the University of Tennessee.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

What he said, and numerous things told by Boosters, and people who work in the dept.... Hart is not good for UT....

 

[HerdnVols]

Its not his fault we was turned down by any coach, i honestly believe Strong was playing the game so he could get a huge raise. Hart did what he could. Butch Jones will get the job done, just give him a chance!

 

[iVol4Life]

I'd say because he botched the most important coaching search in recent memory and was publicly rejected by 2 coaches not even worthy of coaching the Vols....IMO.

We were rejected by 2 competent coaches. I understand that most of you are old enough to remember us being a powerhouse. I hate to break it to you guys, but we aren't anymore. The idea that either of those coaches aren't worthy of coaching here is simply perception - that's it. It's the best we're gonna get, and it really isn't bad. With so many other schools in the SEC doing so well, the UT job just isn't as desirable as it used to be. Jones isn't the best guy for the job, but he can be good, and can at least move us in the right direction.

 

[Vol_atile]

This is something I simply don't understand. What has the man done to warrant everyone wishing him gone? This is seriously just stuff I've seen spewed all over VN, without a single poster providing any evidence as to why the guy is "incompetent".

It isn't his fault his hire was unrealistic (and potentially stupid)

We didn't get our #1 guy, but we got a huge upgrade over Dooley. I don't see the problem.

fyp

 

[iVol4Life]

fyp

The hire was neither stupid nor unrealistic. In fact, it was realistic and a pretty good hire. The only people complaining about the guy are right here on VN.

 

[OrangeMagic]

I think Hart has made much of this worse for himself just by giving no information during the process. "When you have a lack of communication, people will assume the worst". After Hart's initial press conference announcing the firing of Dooley, most thought he had this whole thing under control and I know many vol fans thought that he already had his guy.

Then we find out that he has done nearly nothing until this past week and we're getting high-profile rejections...again. I was pretty happy with the hire this morning, solidified by CBJ's press conference but it appears that Hart backed into this hire. I think he and we as a result got lucky.

UC's AD Whit Babcock's press conference this morning was excellent and representative of how and what an AD should communicate. They really need some PR help at our University to minimize the interpretation of the Gruden fiasco and to enhance the fan base's acceptance of Butch Jones...

The funniest thing I've heard today though is VOLS, BUTCH!

 

[dsbyrd]

Its not his fault we was turned down by any coach, i honestly believe Strong was playing the game so he could get a huge raise. Hart did what he could. Butch Jones will get the job done, just give him a chance!

This. You have to make offers to get turned down. Had he not made offers he would have been criticized about that.

A search for a position of this magnitude is necessarily held behind closed doors, so very few people on here know how the process worked day to day. So any allegations that Hart screwed it up are based on speculation at this point (or unsubstantiated rumors and unattributed "sources").

That, and a second grader mentality of stomping your feet and holding your breath because the coach you really wanted was not landed.

 

[iVol4Life]

I think Hart has made much of this worse for himself just by giving no information during the process. "When you have a lack of communication, people will assume the worst". After Hart's initial press conference announcing the firing of Dooley, most thought he had this whole thing under control and I know many vol fans thought that he already had his guy.

Then we find out that he has done nearly nothing until this past week and we're getting high-profile rejections...again. I was pretty happy with the hire this morning, solidified by CBJ's press conference but it appears that Hart backed into this hire. I think he and we as a result got lucky.

UC's AD Whit Babcock's press conference this morning was excellent and representative of how and what an AD should communicate. They really need some PR help at our University to minimize the interpretation of the Gruden fiasco and to enhance the fan base's acceptance of Butch Jones...

The funniest thing I've heard today though is VOLS, BUTCH!

Well, maybe I'm just weird, but I actually prefer the silence. It gives me the sense that they are working hard behind the scenes to make the right things happen as opposed to trying to appease a mass of ridiculous fans.

 

[SteveninTenn]

Because we could have hired Gruden but dave Hart didnt want to pay the assistants the money Gruden requested. Save a couple million lose $50 million in tickets,clothing,donations. Genius econimcs and Dave Hart was part of the hang up with that. Then he messed up the search by never contacting or getting any indication from Jimbo Fisher he was interested in the job, but led boosters and fans to believe Fisher was interested. Then Gundy said he wanted some time to think about the offer. Auburn and Arkansas got their coaches the same day so he pressed Gundy for an answer. Gundy said if you need an answer right NOW then its no I need time to think. So we move on to Strong. Dave Hart leaked the name to gauge how it would go over. Some big boosters werent on board with Strong but Hart went on anyway.
He wants to do it all HIS way. The ego maniac is dangerous and incompetent. Remember he has information no one else has.

 

[dsbyrd]

I think Hart has made much of this worse for himself just by giving no information during the process. "When you have a lack of communication, people will assume the worst". After Hart's initial press conference announcing the firing of Dooley, most thought he had this whole thing under control and I know many vol fans thought that he already had his guy.

Then we find out that he has done nearly nothing until this past week and we're getting high-profile rejections...again. I was pretty happy with the hire this morning, solidified by CBJ's press conference but it appears that Hart backed into this hire. I think he and we as a result got lucky.

UC's AD Whit Babcock's press conference this morning was excellent and representative of how and what an AD should communicate. They really need some PR help at our University to minimize the interpretation of the Gruden fiasco and to enhance the fan base's acceptance of Butch Jones...

The funniest thing I've heard today though is VOLS, BUTCH!

I agree with transparency when possible but you can't recruit for a multi-million high profile position and come home every night and issue a press release detailing who all you talked to, what the responses were, and what types of offers were made.

That not how negotiations and competition for talent works.

 

[iVol4Life]

Because we could have hired Gruden but dave Hart didnt want to pay the assistants the money Gruden requested. Save a couple million lose $50 million in tickets,clothing,donations. Genius econimcs and Dave Hart was part of the hang up with that. Then he messed up the search by never contacting or getting any indication from Jimbo Fisher he was interested in the job, but led boosters and fans to believe Fisher was interested. Then Gundy said he wanted some time to think about the offer. Auburn and Arkansas got their coaches the same day so he pressed Gundy for an answer. Gundy said if you need an answer right NOW then its no I need time to think. So we move on to Strong. Dave Hart leaked the name to gauge how it would go over. Some big boosters werent on board with Strong but Hart went on anyway.
He wants to do it all HIS way. The ego maniac is dangerous and incompetent. Remember he has information no one else has.

Can you prove anything you just said? I'm fairly certain all of this is speculation.

 

[molsen81]

If I was the AD and under this much pressure to hire an A-list coach and couldn't deliver, I would just step down. Hart on the other hand took the money and ran. He didn't do his job IMO.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

The hire was neither stupid nor unrealistic. In fact, it was realistic and a pretty good hire. The only people complaining about the guy are right here on VN.

LOL brother go to any bar, company meeting, club, or anywhere else in East Tennessee and I promise you it will not be cheers and sheeple behavior you hear, have heard complaining all day every where I went....one was even a minister.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Well, maybe I'm just weird, but I actually prefer the silence. It gives me the sense that they are working hard behind the scenes to make the right things happen as opposed to trying to appease a mass of ridiculous fans.

My lord, you are every politicians dream constituent.

 

[dsbyrd]

The hire was neither stupid nor unrealistic. In fact, it was realistic and a pretty good hire. The only people complaining about the guy are right here on VN.

No, there is another place where the venom is positively dripping. I regret signing up a week or so ago. Anyone there who suggests we ought to at least keep an open mind at this point is gang-flamed.

My first post questioned the usefulness of a thread (created a week ago mind you) soliciting new dirt on Dooley. (I'm glad he's gone, but I don't see the point now in trying to find waiters who complained that he under-tipped at the Copper Cellar, etc.) You would have thought I had nominated Hitler for Pope.

I can't figure out a way to close my account. So I might just login and post a picture of my big naked hairy arse and thereby commit suicide by mod.

 

[dsbyrd]

If I was the AD and under this much pressure to hire an A-list coach and couldn't deliver, I would just step down. Hart on the other hand took the money and ran. He didn't do his job IMO.

A lot of A-list coaches are happy where they are and not eager to take on the challenges of rebuilding at U.T., even if they get a raise.

Edit: But young ambitious guys who have made a name for themselves in lesser conferences and yearn for a bigger challenge? They are a little easier to find.

 

[iVol4Life]

My lord, you are every politicians dream constituent.

How I expect a coaching search to function is not how I expect a government to function. Don't make assumptions. There isn't a single mold for every situation that can be applied to anything. I'm not ****ing retarded.

 

[iVol4Life]

LOL brother go to any bar, company meeting, club, or anywhere else in East Tennessee and I promise you it will not be cheers and sheeple behavior you hear, have heard complaining all day every where I went....one was even a minister.

So, anyone who believed the Gruden rumors, pretty much.

 

[HCVF]

It is directly his fault that we were turned down by other coaches. We should never have a problem pulling coaches away from Ok St or Louisville. If I have a job with a company and I am willing to interview with other companies it is their job to sell their company to me and convince me to pick up and go with them. This is what he failed to do, and in doing so he embarrassed the University. I am not saying that Butch Jones is a bad hire and will fail but if he is successful Hart will want all the credit for the hire and in reality he just took what he could get.

 

[jmc13volfan]

I love how people make comments as if they are facts and have any clue what actually took place behind closed doors. Really?? Hart did what AD's do. His "lack of communication is normal for negotiations. He didnt owe us any information. I dont mind the way this went down at all. You cant get the big hire if you don't try.