Have your say on who the 2024 Heisman Trophy winner will be- Vote Dylan Sampson

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Hunter at #1 is an absolute joke
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wait what? There are like 4 people with legit Heisman hopes. Barring some insane injury to someone or some otherworldly game if things continue on pace.

Hunter- Generational numbers. IF Colorado can win the big 12 and make the playoffs he wins hands down.
Jeanty- Insane numbers + the fact his team is pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot at this point helps. Colorado winning the Big 10 or Jeanty being assassinated are the only things that would put someone else in the drivers seat.
Ward- he's put up the numbers but if Miami loses another game his chances go down a lot
Gabriel- His numbers are good but not eyepopping

Milroe is pretty much out of it
Sanders is out

The only real dark horses are guys who would need some insane wins and performances
Indiana's Rourke- decent numbers but epic story
Texas' Quin Ewers- the games he missed hurt but if he can lead Texas to the SEC title.....


Right now the numbers Jeanty is putting up are just plain insane. No, he is not better than Barry Sanders. Not in the same solar system as Barry, but we haven't seen a RB on any level put up numbers like these since maybe Melvin Gordon? Who in 14 games did 2587yards and 29 TD's in 2014. Jeanty unless he's injured or sits out will play in at least 14 games.. at his current pace he's set for 2697 yards and 36 tds.. meaning he would break Sanders yards record and miss the TD record by 1. Now we all know Sanders did it in 11 games (bowl game stats didn't count back then) so no not better than barry.. but everyone else?

Also before someone makes the played no one argument... There have been plenty of good backs over the last hundred or so years that played against weak competition.. none of them have come close to these numbers. If that logic held the record books would be cluttered with guys from triple-directional hicksville schools. They are not.

Right now the Heisman race is down to Hunter and Jeanty and its not even close. The only way anyone else gets in the conversation is if both those 2 teams miss the playoffs. Even then it will be hard to overcome their stats and stories. They are both having once in a century type seasons. All the other guys are putting up really good numbers but numbers someone else put up last season and the season before. No one has EVER played both sides of the ball at an elite level like Hunter has. Not as a gimmick not a few snaps here and there .. every game for 3 seasons both sides......Imagine the numbers he could put up if he chose one side of the ball to focus on?

Dylan Sampson is putting up the best single season rushing performance in the history of UT football. but in the grand picture assuming he stays on pace and we play 14 games... he would end up with 1756 yards (just 22 more than Jenty already has) and 7th all time in the sEC.. he would be the only Vol to be on the top 25 list for the SEC. Even with touchdowns he is not the best this year.. he's currently tied for 3rd.

Help me understand the logic 1 guy has insanely good numbers. Another guy has 30% more insane numbers in every single stat....but you think the first guy wins the award? I do think Sampson can/will be a better back in the NFL. Sampson has a lot more tread left on his tires Jeanty has almost twice as many career carries since he was all they had from day 1. Sampson has had stablemates to keep him fresh. OS I think he will win where and when it really matters.. at the next level. he wants no part of the Heisman curse.. its not nearly as bad for RB's as it is for QB's... but RB's that win the Heisman ar like 50/50 in the pros and usually don't last long even when they are good.
 
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pimo1 said:
wait what? There are like 4 people with legit Heisman hopes. Barring some insane injury to someone or some otherworldly game if things continue on pace.

Hunter- Generational numbers. IF Colorado can win the big 12 and make the playoffs he wins hands down.
Jeanty- Insane numbers + the fact his team is pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot at this point helps. Colorado winning the Big 10 or Jeanty being assassinated are the only things that would put someone else in the drivers seat.
Ward- he's put up the numbers but if Miami loses another game his chances go down a lot
Gabriel- His numbers are good but not eyepopping

Milroe is pretty much out of it
Sanders is out

The only real dark horses are guys who would need some insane wins and performances
Indiana's Rourke- decent numbers but epic story
Texas' Quin Ewers- the games he missed hurt but if he can lead Texas to the SEC title.....


Right now the numbers Jeanty is putting up are just plain insane. No, he is not better than Barry Sanders. Not in the same solar system as Barry, but we haven't seen a RB on any level put up numbers like these since maybe Melvin Gordon? Who in 14 games did 2587yards and 29 TD's in 2014. Jeanty unless he's injured or sits out will play in at least 14 games.. at his current pace he's set for 2697 yards and 36 tds.. meaning he would break Sanders yards record and miss the TD record by 1. Now we all know Sanders did it in 11 games (bowl game stats didn't count back then) so no not better than barry.. but everyone else?

Also before someone makes the played no one argument... There have been plenty of good backs over the last hundred or so years that played against weak competition.. none of them have come close to these numbers. If that logic held the record books would be cluttered with guys from triple-directional hicksville schools. They are not.

Right now the Heisman race is down to Hunter and Jeanty and its not even close. The only way anyone else gets in the conversation is if both those 2 teams miss the playoffs. Even then it will be hard to overcome their stats and stories. They are both having once in a century type seasons. All the other guys are putting up really good numbers but numbers someone else put up last season and the season before. No one has EVER played both sides of the ball at an elite level like Hunter has. Not as a gimmick not a few snaps here and there .. every game for 3 seasons both sides......Imagine the numbers he could put up if he chose one side of the ball to focus on?

Dylan Sampson is putting up the best single season rushing performance in the history of UT football. but in the grand picture assuming he stays on pace and we play 14 games... he would end up with 1756 yards (just 22 more than Jenty already has) and 7th all time in the sEC.. he would be the only Vol to be on the top 25 list for the SEC. Even with touchdowns he is not the best this year.. he's currently tied for 3rd.

Help me understand the logic 1 guy has insanely good numbers. Another guy has 30% more insane numbers in every single stat....but you think the first guy wins the award? I do think Sampson can/will be a better back in the NFL. Sampson has a lot more tread left on his tires Jeanty has almost twice as many career carries since he was all they had from day 1. Sampson has had stablemates to keep him fresh. OS I think he will win where and when it really matters.. at the next level. he wants no part of the Heisman curse.. its not nearly as bad for RB's as it is for QB's... but RB's that win the Heisman ar like 50/50 in the pros and usually don't last long even when they are good.
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Cam Ward should win it. He IS Miami. His numbers are great. Ward is leading the nation in passing yards, TDs, points responsible for, second in passing yards per game and 4th in rating. Hunter is not having a legendary season by any means. Take him off the team and they still win. Like I said Ward is Miami.

The Heisman race should be this right now

1. Ward
2. Jeanty
3. Gabriel
4. Hunter
5. Sampson
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Cam Ward should win it. He IS Miami. His numbers are great. Ward is leading the nation in passing yards, TDs, points responsible for, second in passing yards per game and 4th in rating. Hunter is not having a legendary season by any means. Take him off the team and they still win. Like I said Ward is Miami.

The Heisman race should be this right now

1. Ward
2. Jeanty
3. Gabriel
4. Hunter
5. Sampson
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What? If you look at Hunter as just a WR or just a DB you'd have a point. But he is literally doing both fulltime. There is a reason you cant name me a single person in modern football that's done that. Its never happened. Your take him off the team and they still win I agree with but most CU haters wouldn't according to them him and Shedur are the only reason CU wins any games. Hunter is a special case because his greatness is not in his singular impact at once position but on both sides of the ball. Wards stats are leading but not impressive.. we have seen stats like his every year and better.... Statitically he has the best numbers but ask any NFL scout who best QB in the nation is and they will begrudgingly say Sanders.

The 3 biggest knocks on Hunter for Heisman are all named Sanders....if he put up those same numbers on any other team people would have crowned him already. Its really hard to win the award when your teammate is also a legit candidate. Finally about Sampson.... his stats this year are not even top3 in rushing. There are 6 other RB's ahead of him in rushing yards TD's he's tied for 3rd with a QB ahead of him. If Jeanty didn't exist he would probably be on the list but Jentys numbers are so ridiculous you cant ignore them. Let me say it again slowly... If we were to play 14 total games that means SECCG plus bowl or 2 playoff games... and Sampson kept up his current pace he would barely pass the yardage Jeanty already has 9 games in. Jeanty could not bother play playing another snap and still would more than likely lead the nation in rushing end of season including bowl games (the other guys on the list will play 13 games max and are also too far back.
 
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Vol fans (means me, myself, and I) are ignoring all logic and reason ... so do not waste your breath. We are happy voting for Sampson.
Just vote for Sampson already ... we bleed orange and vote accordingly.
Get on board already.
 
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pimo1 said:
What? If you look at Hunter as just a WR or just a DB you'd have a point. But he is literally doing both fulltime. There is a reason you cant name me a single person in modern football that's done that. Its never happened. Your take him off the team and they still win I agree with but most CU haters wouldn't according to them him and Shedur are the only reason CU wins any games. Hunter is a special case because his greatness is not in his singular impact at once position but on both sides of the ball. Wards stats are leading but not impressive.. we have seen stats like his every year and better.... Statitically he has the best numbers but ask any NFL scout who best QB in the nation is and they will begrudgingly say Sanders.

The 3 biggest knocks on Hunter for Heisman are all named Sanders....if he put up those same numbers on any other team people would have crowned him already. Its really hard to win the award when your teammate is also a legit candidate. Finally about Sampson.... his stats this year are not even top3 in rushing. There are 6 other RB's ahead of him in rushing yards TD's he's tied for 3rd with a QB ahead of him. If Jeanty didn't exist he would probably be on the list but Jentys numbers are so ridiculous you cant ignore them. Let me say it again slowly... If we were to play 14 total games that means SECCG plus bowl or 2 playoff games... and Sampson kept up his current pace he would barely pass the yardage Jeanty already has 9 games in. Jeanty could not bother play playing another snap and still would more than likely lead the nation in rushing end of season including bowl games (the other guys on the list will play 13 games max and are also too far back.
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Jeanty is an absolute, certified dude. I don’t know that his numbers would be better than Sampson’s playing similar competition. He did do well against Oregon, but they started off a little shaky this year. I wouldn’t trade either one of them for the other.
 
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#92
marcusluvsvols said:
Repeatedly...hard to believe hes not top 5
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Based on what? I keep seeing people saying Sampson should be in the top 5.. based on? Give one logical reason outside of he's a Vol? His season is historic....for a UT running back. It's really good for an SEC running back.

1 He is a running back not a QB. RB's probably have the best chance of any position except for RB but its an award that goes to QB's for the most part unless there is some epic season at another position.
2 There is only one person in the nation putting up epic numbers.
3 Sampson does not even lead in any stats at his own position he is 2nd in TD's 6th in rushing yards.
4 UT is not likely to make the SECCG and might not make the playoffs. This means he only has 2 more games to get stats. He'd need Jeanty to get hit by a car and rush for over 650 yards and 5 tds just to catch up.
5 He has no narrative, there was no buildup. The Heisman has always been about the buildup and the story.

You can argue that Jeanty does not play in the SEC.. but even with a bowl game (which he probably won't play unless we make playoffs) Sampson will likely struggle to get to top 25 all-time SEC. We all know there is little chance he plays past the first half of UTEP. But bowl stats don't count for the Heisman anyway. I know its a hard pill to swallow but UT does not have a history of backs putting up big numbers. So its easy to see this and think its something its not. If Ashton Jeanty did not exist or if Boise State wasn't in the playoff picture maybe the narrative would be different.. but thats the big problem. Had we beat UGA and Dylan had a big game then we turn around and win the SECCG then that would have done something... not gonna happen now. This is not on Dylan Sampson... he is easily one of if not the best RBs in the nation hands down. The Heisman rarely goes to the best player it goes to the best story. This season there are two players with stories that are too good to ignore. Jeanty chasing Barry's records and Hunter being something no one has EVER seen in modern football.

The Heisman right now comes down to what happens in Colorado and Boise State the next few weeks. If Boise can win its conference the only person that can knock Jenty off is Hunter. If Colorado wins the Big 12 not only will Hunter win the Heisman, Prime will win coach of the year and no one will be able to argue it. They both might win it just by getting to the Big 12 championship. You can argue about strength of competition and be correct but it does not matter. Jeanty and Hunter are doing things no one has seen in decades (Jeanty) by any RB and EVER (Hunter). Hunter's numbers are not worthy of all America at either position until you factor in he's playing both positions at an all-conference level. He is the best WR and the best DB on a team with multiple WR's (Horn, Wester, Sheppard) and DB's (Craig, McKinney, Hodge Sanders) that are NFL bound.

To win the Heisman and not be in championship contention you need a narrative. Sampson lacks one and has multiple people in front of him that not only have better stats they have better narratives. It does not matter if you or I respect their numbers.... the people voting do. Jeanty and Hunter have been known names for 3+ years. Most Heisman voters only follow football by box scores and highlights. Sampson just popped out of nowhere to the perspective of most voters. He will likely shatter all UT rushing single-season records this year. He could also likely get in the top3 for single season rushing TD's for the SEC. Any other year maybe... this ain't the one..
 
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