He has done it again

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According to an article in the KNS, Jimmy Ray Stevens is qouted as saying CPF told him the reason he was being let go was because the new OC was bringing in his own guy. Once again Fulmer passing the buck that he says stops with him! Thoughts?
 
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There's an open Senate seat in TN this year. I'm going to convince Fulmer to run and I'll be his campaign manager. I've never seen someone who spins more than him. Others inspired my name but Fulmer is making my screen name all more worth the while.
 
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I read where JRS asked fulmer if it was because of a new OC and he said no it is because of a high dollar/profile donor/booster wrote a nasty letter telling what neededto be done at UT to turn things around. Ill see if I can get the article posted. Any way you put it it is CPF passing the buck.
 
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If it is CPF “passing the buck” the team as a whole will not turn around if the "supposed" leader will not make decisions.

The head coach is the agenda setter for the entire team. Every one follows CPF leadership.

It almost seems like each coordinator has his own specific clique within the team.
 
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My bad that is what was said I guess either way he was paaing the buck. Here is some of the article. I also posted the part about the donor/booster. It all came from the same article on GoVolsXtra.

Stephens met with Fulmer for five minutes around 8 p.m. in Fulmer's office. Stephens said Fulmer told him the reason he had to make the change was because the new offensive coordinator was bringing in his own line coach.

"I asked him if he'd hired an offensive coordinator yet, and he said, 'no,' " Stephens said. "I'd really like to know if this was David's (Cutcliffe's) decision.''


"Apparently, some big-time donor had written in his opinion of some changes that needed to be made, and mine and Pat's name were in that,'' Stephens said. "But I thought that wouldn't happen, because coach Fulmer had nothing but positive praise for me in the past.''
 
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Jimmy Ray,

If you and Pat haven't learned what a nasty life we live in by now then you might as well go hide in the Smokies somewhere. It's money and it's politics. If there's a failure to perform someone has to take the fall. Fulmer's protected by an inflated contract for a few years. Plus it was these key positions on the team that failed to perform. By process of elimination your meal ticket is up.
 
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There have also been reports that part of Cutcliffe's requirements were to staff the ACs as he required. I don't think we can continually bash Fulmer for every fart in the windtunnel. We wanted changes, we're getting them so maybe we should just let things happen and hope for some positive improvements. One day we dis Stevens, the next day we take his side. This whole deal is way past being psychotic from our fans.
 
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Bingo!!! CPF has a fragile ego and makes excuses about everything. I've been griping about this for a while, but that is his MO.

It's the same with execution: blame the players. And if that doesn't work, blame the fans. He acts as if the head coach has no culpability in this thing.

The slickest thing he does is when he pretends that he is taking responsibility. He effectively says the buck stops with him but it's not his fault. That's the key; he doesn't think he bears any of the blame.

CPF MUST HAVE A GREAT STAFF AROUND HIM to be successful. I suppose that is always the case, but moreso than normal with Philly.
 
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Fulmer's in a delimma. He wants talented assistants to basically bring the team up to speed. But on the flipside, knowing he's treading on thin ice he doesn't want to bring someone in who could knock him out and take his job in a year or two. A catch-22 for him if I've ever seen one.

That could be why he's going with Cut. He's a friend he can trust and not some new young gun who wants to prove something and make a name for himself.
 
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By the way, has anyone noticed that CPF is saying and doing everything the "lunatic fringe" has been clamoring for since '99?

He says this, more or less:

1. We lack discipline and focus both on and off the field, in practice and in games.

2. We need a new WR coach because the position is underachieving.

3. Our OL is confused and soft and is underachieving.

4. We're not maximizing our talent.

Many of us have saying this for 5 years or so. Funny how the head coach of the football team that is making $2 million came to these very conclusions 1,800 days later than ignorant fans.
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 28, 2005 10:52 AM
Fulmer's in a delimma. He wants talented assistants to basically bring the team up to speed. But on the flipside, knowing he's treading on thin ice he doesn't want to bring someone in who could knock him out and take his job in a year or two. A catch-22 for him if I've ever seen one.

That could be why he's going with Cut. He's a friend he can trust and not some new young gun who wants to prove something and make a name for himself.
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I think you're right. CPF is the classic internalizing bunker mentality person. When things get rough, retreat and go to what is comfortable.
 
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Originally posted by crimedawg12@Nov 28, 2005 9:44 AM
According to an article in the KNS, Jimmy Ray Stevens is qouted as saying CPF told him the reason he was being let go was because the new OC was bringing in his own guy.  Once again Fulmer passing the buck that he says stops with him!  Thoughts?
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I still don't get why this is a big deal. The life of an assistant coach can be nomadic as Assistants come and go all the time. Many times coordinators bring people with them; especially guys as high profile as Cutcliffe. If you want to turn this into a Fulmer bash, fine . . . You call it passing the buck; I call it just being honest.
 
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I have no problem with the new OC picking his own guys. He is going to be in charge of the offense and we (fans) will have to assume he is very capable of running it since we have little to do with the choice. So the OC needs people he knows can coach, people he can trust, people he can get along well with and people who will be an extension of his coaching style. And yes, the head coach should be an overseer. It is primarily the job of the assistants to get the coaching done. I think this bodes well because I don't think Fulmer ever let Sanders run the offense. Perhaps this means that finally someone other than Fulmer will be actually running the offense.
 
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It is all very simple. Any one and every one wants those who they can trust around them.

Fulmer trusts Cut, Cut trusts assistants. You could almost compare it to a military command structure. Not entirely, but loosely.

As long as CPF has a clear agenda for the coaches and players I couldn’t be happier at this point.

This season could be called a blessing in disguise for the rumblings and coaching changes that the season has produced.
 
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I don't have any respect for Fulmer. He is not what I consider to be a stand-up guy. When is the last time he actually said something was his fault?
 
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So actually, Cutcliff fired Stephens and Washington not Phil.

I just Fulmer would step up and freaking take responsibility for his program.
 
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:D Fulmer is doing what most people want. Replacing most of the coaches. 99% of people on this earth will never admit anything is their fault.
I guess if you hate Fulmer he now will never be able to do anything right.
 
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The "buck" is stopping with him, he decided to let the new OC hire his own people, he could have kept the status quo and hired just a new OC or promoted from within, but he has seen the same problems half this board is complaining about...underachieving WR's (we've gone from Wide Receiver U to Wide Receiver who?) and an O-line that couldn't run block for a SHerman tank.
 
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He's doing what needs to be done. Yes that is correct. but I think the question many have is his method of doing this. Instead of him standing up and saying these changes need to be made for the betterment of the program, especially since these areas are underperforming, the action looks to be a result of a new OC coming in making his own changes. This whole move is ambiguous. Who knows what is true or what to really make of this. If this is due to Cut, then he should have been the one to make the moves once on board.

This is all just multiple attempts to not offend people, not rock the boat, or just stay on people's good sides. You don't pay a Head Coach to sugarcoat or make warm and fuzzy kumbaya decisions. They are paid to make tough decisions where they need to be. This isn't a popularity contest. if areas are failing you cut loose dead wood and bring in those who can make the needed changes. A good HC sacks up and says "we screwed up in these areas and I'm making the needed changes." He steps up and says "I dropped the ball on making some changes early where there needed to be some but I can assure you I will bring in whatever it takes to get this program to be a NC contender."
 
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you're also only hearing the point of view of the one who got canned
 
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This is so funny. Actually pathetic. I am so glad irrational fans don't get to make decisions. Here is what many of you on here have done over time.

1. You blamed Sanders for the Offense and said he needed to go. He did. Result? Fumer is a chicken who did not take responsibility and CRS is the scapegoat.

2. When Cut was here things were great. Result?Looks like Cut is coming and now he is not what we need because we need new blood and CPF is not taking responsibility.

3. WR are not playing well at all and the wr coach needs to go. Result? Washington out and CPF not taking responsibility.

4. O line not playing well at all and Stephens needs to go. Result? Stephens gone and CPF not taking responsibility.

5. CPF is to loyal to his assistant coaches. It has become a good old boy system up on the hill. What we need to do is fire a bunch of those guys and bring in blood. Result? New O Coodinator, O line coach and WR coach and CPF still not taking responsibility.

It is a pathetic sight to see so many emotionally charged goofballs wear orange. I swear so many on here sound like bammers.
The man took responsibility by making changes he needed to make. You ask for something and when you get it you still gripe. We get it. OK! You don't like CPF. Fine. But just because you "feel" about something does not make it true. We will be much better. And as far as him not doing good unless he is surrounded by good assistants goes? Anyone who says that is really out in left field and knows nothing about leadership. This was a tough year and with the tough year tough decisions had to be made and they were.
 
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For me personally, I can take second guessing playcalls; I can take questioning CPF's handling of discipline, but when we get into arguing over the semantics of how someone gets fired, it has officially gotten ridiculous.
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 28, 2005 12:50 PM
He's doing what needs to be done. Yes that is correct. but I think the question many have is his method of doing this. Instead of him standing up and saying these changes need to be made for the betterment of the program, especially since these areas are underperforming, the action looks to be a result of a new OC coming in making his own changes. This whole move is ambiguous. Who knows what is true or what to really make of this. If this is due to Cut, then he should have been the one to make the moves once on board.

This is all just multiple attempts to not offend people, not rock the boat, or just stay on people's good sides. You don't pay a Head Coach to sugarcoat or make warm and fuzzy kumbaya decisions. They are paid to make tough decisions where they need to be. This isn't a popularity contest. if areas are failing you cut loose dead wood and bring in those who can make the needed changes. A good HC sacks up and says "we screwed up in these areas and I'm making the needed changes." He steps up and says "I dropped the ball on making some changes early where there needed to be some but I can assure you I will bring in whatever it takes to get this program to be a NC contender."
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What is this then? Quit being emotionally driven and going off of what other "fans" think or what people who were fired are saying and look at what the coach actaullay said.


"I appreciate everything Jimmy Ray and Pat have done for Tennessee over the years," Fulmer said. "This was a difficult decision to make, but I feel it is in the best interest for the future of our football program."
 
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