He has done it again

#26
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 28, 2005 1:21 PM
For me personally, I can take second guessing playcalls; I can take questioning CPF's handling of discipline, but when we get into arguing over the semantics of how someone gets fired, it has officially gotten ridiculous.
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I agree. The fact is some simply are emotionally driven and feel instead of think. The reality is we had a bad year and changes needed to be made and they were.
 
#27
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 28, 2005 1:23 PM
What is this then? Quit being emotionally driven and going off of what other "fans" think or what people who were fired are saying and look at what the coach actaullay said.
"I appreciate everything Jimmy Ray and Pat have done for Tennessee over the years," Fulmer said. "This was a difficult decision to make, but I feel it is in the best interest for the future of our football program."
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First of all, YOU are the one who seems emotionally driven. I merely made a comment about what some people are seeing in this whole action. I never made this MY personal opinion. I'm only elaborating on what some others have either stated or feel but haven't stated.

I can find quotes from one person going both ways. THIS is what has caused all of the commotion on this topic. People are seeing two sides of the topic but from ONE person. So get your facts straight, read all of the posts, and make sure you have the right info before slamming someone about what they clearly did not say as their personal opinion. Sounds like you are a little emotionally driven yourself.
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 28, 2005 1:47 PM
First of all, YOU are the one who seems emotionally driven. I merely made a comment about what some people are seeing in this whole action. I never made this MY personal opinion. I'm only elaborating on what some others have either stated or feel but haven't stated.

I can find quotes from one person going both ways. THIS is what has caused all of the commotion on this topic. People are seeing two sides of the topic but from ONE person. So get your facts straight, read all of the posts, and make sure you have the right info before slamming someone about what they clearly did not say as their personal opinion. Sounds like you are a little emotionally driven yourself.
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This is from you.

"Instead of him standing up and saying these changes need to be made for the betterment of the program, especially since these areas are underperforming, the action looks to be a result of a new OC coming in making his own changes."

This is from Fulmer.

"I appreciate everything Jimmy Ray and Pat have done for Tennessee over the years," Fulmer said. "This was a difficult decision to make, but I feel it is in the best interest for the future of our football program."
Now, my post to you was to find out what the coach actually DID say. Fact not emotion on this end.
 
#29
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 28, 2005 1:21 PM
For me personally, I can take second guessing playcalls; I can take questioning CPF's handling of discipline, but when we get into arguing over the semantics of how someone gets fired, it has officially gotten ridiculous.
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The issue, GAVol, which some may care about more than others, is that the head coach is the boss and the final authority on the matter of hiring and firing. He is the man at the top making the CEO salary.

When the head man decides to make a change and then lays it off an a yet unhired and unnamed OC, it strikes many as passive, no-guts leadership. Stephens was not told why or who fired him. That is just common courtesy. If Cutty wanted to bring in his own guy, why didn't Fulmer just say that?

I'm not anti-Fulmer, but this long, endless string of excuses and blame-avoidance is getting ridiculous for a man in his position.

As far as assistants getting fired, in general, that is nothing new.
 
#30
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I have a feeling, fans (True Vol Fans), are going to support Coach Fulmer and his staff changes .Everyone else needs to quit belittling him, show support, at least give him a chance.
 
#31
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 28, 2005 2:47 PM
First of all, YOU are the one who seems emotionally driven. I merely made a comment about what some people are seeing in this whole action. I never made this MY personal opinion. I'm only elaborating on what some others have either stated or feel but haven't stated.

I can find quotes from one person going both ways. THIS is what has caused all of the commotion on this topic. People are seeing two sides of the topic but from ONE person. So get your facts straight, read all of the posts, and make sure you have the right info before slamming someone about what they clearly did not say as their personal opinion. Sounds like you are a little emotionally driven yourself.
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Mercy! I give up!! Uncle!!

Look, everyone that has watched a TN game this year has moaned all year about lack of production from WR. They have moaned all year about lack of production from the QB. THey have moaned about the lack of production from the "best offensive line i've ever coached".

The bottom line is that each of those issues was addressed.

We will now have a bonafied qb coach in Cutcliffe. We know what he brings to the table from an OC standpoint. The only questions still out there is who is going to replace PW and JRS. Sanders will not be retained at all in any capacity...so there will be two new faces on the staff next year, and neither one from w/in the orgainzation.

We all got what we wanted, irregardless of how CPF spins the firings.

the only thing left to moan about is for those of you that wanted CPF fired as well...

But until next season is over, give the man a break... :mf_surrender:
 
#32
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Originally posted by utfantilidie@Nov 28, 2005 1:59 PM
I have a feeling, fans (True Vol Fans), are going to support Coach Fulmer and his staff changes .Everyone else needs to quit belittling him, show support, at least give him a chance.
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He don't deserve it man! I mean he has not won ANYTHING since he has been here right? I mean he doesn't have the guts to make changes or anything. Right?

I hear you bro.
 
#33
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 28, 2005 1:55 PM
This is from you.

Now, my post to you was to find out what the coach actually DID say. Fact not emotion on this end.
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Read the first part of my post man. Then read a little further down about what I said "who knows". Read some other articles out there as well. Key to this is READ.

Again, I never indicated what my personal opinion was on the matter so for you to direct that personally to me means you were emotionally reacting to my post. I repeated what others said and had problems with. Go find them and comment to them.

Just make it easy on yourself and make sure you read my post and understand the meaning before directing something personally to me. You clearly jumped on my case when it was not necessary.
 
#34
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Originally posted by jakez4ut@Nov 28, 2005 2:00 PM
Mercy!  I give up!!  Uncle!! 

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Again, all I did was comment on what was said by others previously. I said who knows what the truth is or what is really going on. How about giving me a break rather than start jumping on my back for saying something about someone else's opinion.
 
#35
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 28, 2005 2:06 PM
Read the first part of my post man. Then read a little further down about what I said "who knows".  Read some other articles out there as well. Key to this is READ.

Again, I never indicated what my personal opinion was on the matter so for you to direct that personally to me means you were emotionally reacting to my post. I repeated what others said and had problems with. Go find them and comment to them.

Just make it easy on yourself and make sure you read my post and understand the meaning before directing something personally to me. You clearly jumped on my case when it was not necessary.
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I guess it depends on what your definition of "is", is. :focus:
 
#36
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Originally posted by Liper@Nov 28, 2005 2:59 PM
The issue, GAVol, which some may care about more than others, is that the head coach is the boss and the final authority on the matter of hiring and firing.  He is the man at the top making the CEO salary.

When the head man decides to make a change and then lays it off an a yet unhired and unnamed OC, it strikes many as passive, no-guts leadership.  Stephens was not told why or who fired him.  That is just common courtesy.  If Cutty wanted to bring in his own guy, why didn't Fulmer just say that?

I'm not anti-Fulmer, but this long, endless string of excuses and blame-avoidance is getting ridiculous for a man in his position.

As far as assistants getting fired, in general, that is nothing new.
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Touch em all brother, you nailed it!
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 28, 2005 2:11 PM
I guess it depends on what your definition of "is", is.  :focus:
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Hey it's not my problem when someone can't see several references to a post about what others are saying and my own comment about who really knows what is going on. It's plain to see and couldn't be any clearer. I never knew connecting the dots would be so difficult.
 
#38
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Originally posted by Liper@Nov 28, 2005 1:59 PM
Stephens was not told why or who fired him.  That is just common courtesy.  If Cutty wanted to bring in his own guy, why didn't Fulmer just say that?
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This is what I don't understand. I think CPF told him EXACTLY what had happened. He told him that the new OC wanted to bring in his own people. He obviously didn't want to name Cutcliffe because he hadn't been officially hired.

I think there are plenty of things to criticize CPF for, but this one is splitting hairs in my opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree. :peace:
 
#39
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Originally posted by BHAMVOLFAN@Nov 28, 2005 10:49 AM
There have also been reports that part of Cutcliffe's requirements were to staff the ACs as he required.  I don't think we can continually bash Fulmer for every fart in the windtunnel.  We wanted changes, we're getting them so maybe we should just let things happen and hope for some positive improvements.  One day we dis Stevens, the next day we take his side.  This whole deal is way past being psychotic from our fans.
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Agreed. Sound like anyone (fanbase) we know BHAM?
 
#40
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 28, 2005 2:20 PM
This is what I don't understand.  I think CPF told him EXACTLY what had happened.  He told him that the new OC wanted to bring in his own people.  He obviously didn't want to name Cutcliffe because he hadn't been officially hired.

I think there are plenty of things to criticize CPF for, but this one is splitting hairs in my opinion.  We'll have to agree to disagree.  :peace:
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Seeing the other article mentioned earlier in this post (if accurate) counters that line of thinking on Fulmer telling them it was due to the OC bringing in their own staff. So basically there is the "fired people version" and the "fulmer version". This brought my who knows what is true comment out earlier.

Personally I think the methods of retaining staff or firing staff is not splitting hairs. I think the methods of handling either keeping or firing people for whatever reason speaks volumes for one's judgment, character and leadership skills. Depending on what version floating around out there is true, it speaks a lot for Fulmer and his management of the team and its problems.
 
#41
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 28, 2005 3:28 PM
Seeing the other article mentioned earlier in this post (if accurate) counters that line of thinking on Fulmer telling them it was due to the OC bringing in their own staff. So basically there is the "fired people version" and the "fulmer version". This brought my who knows what is true comment out earlier.

Personally I think the methods of retaining staff or firing staff is not splitting hairs. I think the methods of handling either keeping or firing people for whatever reason speaks volumes for one's judgment, character and leadership skills. Depending on what version floating around out there is true, it speaks a lot for Fulmer and his management of the team and its problems.
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To quote John Adams " he is just the head coach"
 
#42
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 28, 2005 3:09 PM
Again, all I did was comment on what was said by others previously. I said who knows what the truth is or what is really going on. How about giving me a break rather than start jumping on my back for saying something about someone else's opinion.
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:cry:

I was more or less just resonding to all the posts on here...and your post with all the ALL CAPS stuff in it just stuck out to me as one that really wanted to get their point across...nothing personal...just a post after a culmination of reading and saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH....
 
#43
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Originally posted by jakez4ut@Nov 28, 2005 2:36 PM
I was more or less just resonding to all the posts on here...and your post with all the ALL CAPS stuff in it just stuck out to me as one that really wanted to get their point across...nothing personal...just a post after a culmination of reading and saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH....
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The one with caps was responding to the other one jumping on my back. That was after my original post when I made an effort to clear the air. Obviously this didn't work.

No hard feelings. Just trying to make sure my point was understood.
 
#44
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 28, 2005 2:20 PM
This is what I don't understand.  I think CPF told him EXACTLY what had happened.  He told him that the new OC wanted to bring in his own people.  He obviously didn't want to name Cutcliffe because he hadn't been officially hired.

I think there are plenty of things to criticize CPF for, but this one is splitting hairs in my opinion.  We'll have to agree to disagree.  :peace:
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I'm actually not "tore up" over this, because it's not my show it's CPF's show. That aside, there is an inconsistent fact pattern here. We'll leave it at that and talk about something else.

 
#46
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I think I read in another thread that it looked like some of the rumors were overblown and that he'll be sticking around. :dunno:
 
#47
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 28, 2005 1:16 PM
This is so funny. Actually pathetic. I am so glad irrational fans don't get to make decisions. Here is what many of you on here have done over time.

1. You blamed Sanders for the Offense and said he needed to go. He did. Result? Fumer is a chicken who did not take responsibility and CRS is the scapegoat.

2. When Cut was here things were great. Result?Looks like Cut is coming and now he is not what we need because we need new blood and CPF is not taking responsibility.

3. WR are not playing well at all and the wr coach needs to go. Result? Washington out and CPF not taking responsibility.

4. O line not playing well at all and Stephens needs to go. Result? Stephens gone and CPF not taking responsibility.

5. CPF is to loyal to his assistant coaches. It has become a good old boy system up on the hill. What we need to do is fire a bunch of those guys and bring in blood. Result? New O Coodinator, O line coach and WR coach and CPF still not taking responsibility.

It is a pathetic sight to see so many emotionally charged goofballs wear orange. I swear so many on here sound like bammers.
The man took responsibility by making changes he needed to make. You ask for something and when you get it you still gripe. We get it. OK! You don't like CPF. Fine. But just because you "feel" about something does not make it true. We will be much better. And as far as him not doing good unless he is surrounded by good assistants goes? Anyone who says that is really out in left field and knows nothing about leadership. This was a tough year and with the tough year tough decisions had to be made and they were.
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I agree 100% man.
 
#48
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I think its ridiculous that a guy like Phil Fulmer has to go out and hire an assistant coach to coach the offensive line, to bring it up to speed.

You dont see spurrier looking to hire a QB coach to bring the QB position up. You would think with an ex-OL as head coach that would be the strongest unit on the team, instead it was one of the weakest. Fulmer makes more money then all the assistant coaches on this team combined. Yet UT has to go out and hire and assistant coach to coach oline because it performs so poorly?
 
#50
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Unless you were in the meeting with Fulmer and Stevens, I don't think you should be commenting on what was said.
 
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