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I’m wondering how the equation changes now that Hooker is a real Heisman contender. The Heisman is largely a numbers game, so do we still take him out in a matchup like TN Martin if the win is locked up by halftime, or do we leave him in to pad to the stats? Just curious how some of you think Heupel will approach this. 🏈
 
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All Vol! said:
I’m wondering how the equation changes now that Hooker is a real Heisman contender. The Heisman is largely a numbers game, so do we still take him out in a matchup like TN Martin if the win is locked up by halftime, or do we leave him in to pad to the stats? Just curious how some of you think Heupel will approach this. 🏈
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My guess is he won't have to pad any stats. He can have 4 total TD by early 3Q and hand the reins to Joe Milton.
 
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All Vol! said:
I’m wondering how the equation changes now that Hooker is a real Heisman contender. The Heisman is largely a numbers game, so do we still take him out in a matchup like TN Martin if the win is locked up by halftime, or do we leave him in to pad to the stats? Just curious how some of you think Heupel will approach this. 🏈
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My guess is, Heupel & Co will always make the decision that gives the team our best chances of winning ball games.

Individual honors and hardware are nice, sometimes even important, but they're not the goal. Wins and championships. That's the ticket.

Go Vols!
 
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If Tillman is good to go, keep Hooker in for most of the first half. Let him get back into the swing of it catching his passes. Against Martin, he should be fine letting the backups getting some reps.
 
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All Vol! said:
I’m wondering how the equation changes now that Hooker is a real Heisman contender. The Heisman is largely a numbers game, so do we still take him out in a matchup like TN Martin if the win is locked up by halftime, or do we leave him in to pad to the stats? Just curious how some of you think Heupel will approach this. 🏈
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Heisman is about both numbers AND moments. Hendon may not have the numbers to match up with some historically good QBs, or even some this year, so he's going to have to make the most of his moments. IMO, he absolutely has to beat UGA to win the Heisman. Stroud will continue to put up video game numbers against weak opponents and he'll also have a chance for a moment at the END of the season vs. Michigan. The Vols may be hurt (and one could argue Peyton was hurt) by the lack of a big game at the end of the regular season. After UGA, we won't have another opportunity until the SEC CG, and many voters' minds have been made up by that point. Missouri, SCarolina and Vandy won't help the cause.
 
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VFL92 said:
Heisman is about both numbers AND moments. Hendon may not have the numbers to match up with some historically good QBs, or even some this year, so he's going to have to make the most of his moments. IMO, he absolutely has to beat UGA to win the Heisman. Stroud will continue to put up video game numbers against weak opponents and he'll also have a chance for a moment at the END of the season vs. Michigan. The Vols may be hurt (and one could argue Peyton was hurt) by the lack of a big game at the end of the regular season. After UGA, we won't have another opportunity until the SEC CG, and many voters' minds have been made up by that point. Missouri, SCarolina and Vandy won't help the cause.
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Good rundown, thanks for those insights.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
Screw the Heisman, I don’t want them to take chances on a great season. Natty first, Heisman second.
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I am from the small group of fans who don't GAF about the Heisman trophy. Tennessee players have been up for it three times, and we got screwed at least twice. So, as much as I would love to see Hooker carrying it? I am not getting my hopes up. Take care of business. And if by some miracle, one of our guys gets one? Well bout time.
 
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VFL92 said:
Heisman is about both numbers AND moments. Hendon may not have the numbers to match up with some historically good QBs, or even some this year, so he's going to have to make the most of his moments. IMO, he absolutely has to beat UGA to win the Heisman. Stroud will continue to put up video game numbers against weak opponents and he'll also have a chance for a moment at the END of the season vs. Michigan. The Vols may be hurt (and one could argue Peyton was hurt) by the lack of a big game at the end of the regular season. After UGA, we won't have another opportunity until the SEC CG, and many voters' minds have been made up by that point. Missouri, SCarolina and Vandy won't help the cause.
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Good post. We have to beat UGA, so we can get to the SECCG and give Hendon his chance.
 
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All Vol! said:
I’m wondering how the equation changes now that Hooker is a real Heisman contender. The Heisman is largely a numbers game, so do we still take him out in a matchup like TN Martin if the win is locked up by halftime, or do we leave him in to pad to the stats? Just curious how some of you think Heupel will approach this. 🏈
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I think you continue to march. Trust the process. IOW, keep him in until mid 4th qtr.
Not to pad. Just for refinement.
 
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HH's case will be made on victories over AP top 25 teams, "td to into" ratio and generally being the best player on the best team. Stroud has not played in a big game yet (Notre Dame was marginally big at best). Hooked has won four and ran up a big lead in all three conference games thus far. Hooker should have to be the favorite. And Tennessee thus far has the best team resume as well. We've played the most big games and won them all...
 
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He's got all the stats he needs beating top 25 teams this year. Martin won't matter much one way or the other.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I don’t think he can catch Stroud statistically. His case will be made by Tennessee’s record. Better not to risk injury to get a 4th or 5th touchdown that probably won’t sway many, if any, voters.
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Ohio State's schedule is a lot tougher now than the first half of the year.

Hooker might not catch him in TDs but he currently has a couple hundred more total yards than Stroud
 
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Ask Cedric Tillman what he thinks.

I can't see his 4th quarter passing stats in a blowout against UT Martin being the thing that puts him over the hump anyway. If we beat Georgia, I'd bet it's Hookers to lose. If not, it's most likely C.J. Stroud's. It's supposed to be an individual award, but the Heisman voters love to pick the best player on the best team.
 
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VFL92 said:
Heisman is about both numbers AND moments. Hendon may not have the numbers to match up with some historically good QBs, or even some this year, so he's going to have to make the most of his moments. IMO, he absolutely has to beat UGA to win the Heisman. Stroud will continue to put up video game numbers against weak opponents and he'll also have a chance for a moment at the END of the season vs. Michigan. The Vols may be hurt (and one could argue Peyton was hurt) by the lack of a big game at the end of the regular season. After UGA, we won't have another opportunity until the SEC CG, and many voters' minds have been made up by that point. Missouri, SCarolina and Vandy won't help the cause.
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Mizzu , SCarolina and Vandy are as good as the Big10 teams OState been playing.
 
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Orangeblood75 said:
Mizzou , SCarolina and Vandy are as good as the Big10 teams OState been playing.
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Not disagreeing with you. The point I was making was more about the closing stretch and ability to have a "Heisman Moment" late in the season. Stroud will have that opportunity in The Game, a revenge game against Michigan. Voters have recency bias and he'll have the final audition, while we're busy playing Mizzou, SCjr and Vandy.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I don’t think he can catch Stroud statistically. His case will be made by Tennessee’s record. Better not to risk injury to get a 4th or 5th touchdown that probably won’t sway many, if any, voters.
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By the Numbers:

CJ Stroud

113/160 (70%)
1737 yds Receiving
10.9 Yds average
24 TDs
3 Ints
10 Rushes for 4 Yards

Hendon Hooker

119/170 (70%)
1817 Yds Receiving
10.7 Yds average
15 TDs
1 Int
59 Rushing Attempts for 287 yds and 3 TDs

I think they are comparable
 
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Heisman chances will probably be dependent on the UGA game. Hooker is a bit behind Stroud and Drake statistically at the moment. But it's not a massive difference. If Hooker maintains current pace and we beat GA (along with everyone else), he is your Heisman without question. No one else is really having a ridiculous season, so it will likely go to the QB on an undefeated team. And Hookers performance vs Bama won't go unnoticed.
 
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All Vol! said:
I’m wondering how the equation changes now that Hooker is a real Heisman contender. The Heisman is largely a numbers game, so do we still take him out in a matchup like TN Martin if the win is locked up by halftime, or do we leave him in to pad to the stats? Just curious how some of you think Heupel will approach this. 🏈
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JMO but stats against UT Martin don’t move the needle. If he leads us to an SEC Championship, the trophy is his. Simple as that.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
By the Numbers:

CJ Stroud

113/160 (70%)
1737 yds Receiving
10.9 Yds average
24 TDs
3 Ints
10 Rushes for 4 Yards

Hendon Hooker

119/170 (70%)
1817 Yds Receiving
10.7 Yds average
15 TDs
1 Int
59 Rushing Attempts for 287 yds and 3 TDs

I think they are comparable
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If the competition you put numbers up against matter less than the numbers you put up then F that POS award. I said at the beginning of the year I didn’t think Hooker could win it without beating Bama and having a great game doing it. That piece of his resume is light years ahead of anything Stroud has done.

I have no issues with Ohio State or their QB but if the strengths schedules were reversed and Stroud had the greatest game of his life against Michigan and Hooker had stat padded against nobodies Ohio state would be justifiably livid.
 
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