Hendon made CJH look better than he is

[D-Vols]

Counterpoint: Joe Milton made CJH look worse than he is.

And he doesn’t have the team around him that Hooker did.

 

[derekg_05]

Dude idk what to tell you. Nico wasn’t going to win many game this year either. Our Wrs didn’t do themselves any favors today either.

What makes you so sure? The problems have been season long, not just today.

 

[Orange931]

Folks, the worst part of this game was this defense! It doesn't matter if it is 3rd & 35 ANY team can convert on this squad! What is with Heupel kicking these FG's when we are down by 4 TD's?

The defense can’t stay off the field. They’re wore the hell out because of an offense led by an incompetent QB.

 

[DooleyOrangePants]

Counterpoint: Joe Milton made CJH look worse than he is.

Heard all week how it wasnt Joe. So who knows. All I know is what I see and the QB position seems to be limiting us to an insane degree.

 

[utis1]

Title says it all, floor is open for debate

Or Milton makes him look worse than he his.
Or something in between.

 

[hardyemt_p]

Title says it all, floor is open for debate

Hendon was good, but Heuple as a former QB is gonna ride and die with his choice. Milton was #1 until he got hurt. Hooker took over. That's why Nico only gonna get wash time and it's gonna be vanilla

 

[VolForLife83]

Title says it all, floor is open for debate

Hyatt made Hooker look better also. Dude just outran everyone and was always open.

 

[derekg_05]

And he doesn’t have the team around him that Hooker did.

He also doesn't read secondaries like Hendo, holds the ball about 5 mins longer than Hendon did, and lacks many of Hendon's attributes

 

[DaddyChad]

What makes you so sure? The problems have been season long, not just today.

I mean I’m not going to argue against that. Passing Offense has sucked this year by and large. What game are you thinking we win with Nico? Florida was early, I doubt he was ready, Oline was trash.

 

[DaddyChad]

Hyatt made Hooker look better also. Dude just outran everyone and was always open.

Heupel found ways to scheme him open as well, let’s not let that fact interfere with the narrative of this thread though.

 

[rocytop2624]

Not ready to say that, but his loyalty to someone who is clearly not working well is a concern.

I would have put Nico in the second half.

 

[derekg_05]

I mean I’m not going to argue against that. Passing Offense has sucked this year by and large. What game are you thinking we win with Nico? Florida was early, I doubt he was ready, Oline was trash.

It's hard to say, but roll the dice with the kid. See what he can do. I for one am thankful Joe has to leave this winter.

 

[casual-observer]

Title says it all, floor is open for debate

…and Georgias multiple top 5 recruiting classes make Kirby Jackwagon look better than he is.

Those same high caliber classes made Chester Bennett VII look better than he is (lowest ranked rookie qb in the NFL this year.

Jimmys and Joes are part of the equation.

Heupel inherited a low class and has done well with the hand he inherited.

 

[derekg_05]

…and Georgias multiple top 5 recruiting classes make Kirby Jackwagon look better than he is.

Those same high caliber classes made Chester Bennett VII look better than he is (lowest ranked rookie qb in the NFL this year.

Jimmys and Joes are part of the equation.

Heupel inherited a low class and has done well with the hand he inherited.

UF, and Mizzu entered the chat

 

[lilesrt]

Title says it all, floor is open for debate

Is Bill Belichick a good coach or was it all Tom Brady?

I’m convinced there are many great coaches but only few great players. Great players make great coaches. Many examples could be given.

 

[allstar34bd]

And he doesn’t have the team around him that Hooker did.

We go 7-5 with milton last year. Milton takes us out of games early and we can't recover.

 

[DooleyOrangePants]

Hendon was good, but Heuple as a former QB is gonna ride and die with his choice. Milton was #1 until he got hurt. Hooker took over. That's why Nico only gonna get wash time and it's gonna be vanilla

But one would think that Heupel, as a former QB, would recognize that his QB is killing him and bringing his vaunted offense to a screeching halt.

So who is it on? We know what Joe brings but the coach just can’t seem to let go.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Milton made him look a lot worse than he is. If fact , he had played for Michigan as a starter, he would have made Harbaugh look bad. Oh wait Harbaugh sent him packing to Tennessee.

 

[derekg_05]

Is Bill Belichick a good coach or was it all Tom Brady?

I’m convinced there are many great coaches but only few great players. Great players make great coaches. Many examples could be given.

Bill is 27-33 since losing Brady, I would say it was Brady.

 

[Orange931]

But one would think that Heupel, as a former QB, would recognize that his QB is killing him and bringing his vaunted offense to a screeching halt.

So who is it on? We know what Joe brings but the coach just can’t seem to let go.

For sh*ts sake, the guy ran out of bounds two years ago on the last play of the Ole Miss game when time ran out and didn’t even release the ball to give us a chance to win. Then again this year, runs out of bounds on a free play short of the sticks when he’s one on one with a guy half his size, but should’ve just launched it downfield in the first place. There’s no way in hell Nico shouldn’t have been starting this year.

 

[allstar34bd]

Bill is 27-33 since losing Brady, I would say it was Brady.

You're ignoring the fact that for 2 decades he's not had top 20 picks to bring in good talent. Brady is amazing; but that team is decimated.

 

[hardyemt_p]

But one would think that Heupel, as a former QB, would recognize that his QB is killing him and bringing his vaunted offense to a screeching halt.

So who is it on? We know what Joe brings but the coach just can’t seem to let go.

I think it would be negative future QB recruiting . Idk though just like you.

 

[Vol737]

Nope! Actually the opposite. Have you seen Hooker's stats before and after Huepel? Have you seen the stats of others QBs in Huepel's offense?

Milton is just not that good regardless of what Huepel or any coach does. Its a miracle job to win 8 games with him at QB. Can you imagine Milton in any other offense? No, becuase he wouldn't survive as a starter.

That’s actually a good point. Assuming we beat Vandy, eight wins with this guy at QB is about as good as it gets. Which makes it even more concerning he didn’t at least get Nico more snaps somewhere along the way. Worrying about a redshirt is plain dumb.

 

[DooleyOrangePants]

For sh*ts sake, the guy ran out of bounds two years ago on the last play of the Ole Miss game when time ran out and didn’t even release the ball to give us a chance to win. Then again this year, runs out of bounds on a free play short of the sticks when he’s one on one with a guy half his size, but should’ve just launched it downfield in the first place. There’s no way in hell Nico shouldn’t have been starting this year.

Dude, I’m not saying Nico should have been starting early this year. But to use your words, “for sh*ts sake” know when to change your QB or introduce some competition into the equation.

 

[DaddyChad]

It's hard to say, but roll the dice with the kid. See what he can do. I for one am thankful Joe has to leave this winter.

Again I’m not saying many people will be sad to see the Milton era end. Just don’t think Heupel thought Nico was ready. I do know the plan was always to bring Nico along and him start next year; this was discussed with him and his parents. Not saying he was right or wrong to stick with that plan but fact is we’re not as loaded as a team like Bama or Georgia. It’s not as easy to play a true freshman with no risk. Nico will be bigger, stronger and have a better grasp of the offense next year. The ball will come out quicker than it would’ve this year. He will take less hits and the hits he takes will be less likely to injure him. Is that right or wrong? Hell idk. I get it’s frustrating. I hate it but we weren’t going to be a great team this year.