Herbie 1, Fowler 0

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Ler them grudges go folks. All this righteous indignation is hilarious.
We have good ole Uncle Gary on tap this week down in Athens. My only wish is that Verne could come out of retirement for this one....GoVols

 

[perico]

I was mighty surprised to witness Herbie's new found role as Tennessee cheerleader. Fowler was as derogatory as he could possibly be with respect to anything Tennessee. I absolutely enjoyed Kirk's perseverance in forcing Fowler to acknowledge great play by Tennessee. This change of heart for Kirk must certainly be attributed to his move to Nashville. He now can understand the Tennessee fan base for an exceedingly loyal group, not the trailer trash Fowler referred to in the past. Fowler truly made a fool of himself on national television.

The same Herbstreit who was the only national pundit to pick us to win the Natty in 1998? That Herbstreit. The one who picked the Vols to beat UGA after Jamal tore his knee up? Herby has called things pretty fairly when it comes to us. Did he raise hell over the Schiano situation? Hell yeah because to anyone on the outside, they wouldn't understand why it was a bad hire. Was he wrong? Sure, but that doesn't mean he has it out for Tennessee.

The victim mentality is sometimes as bad as the BVS. We have an overabundance of it in our fanbase over percieved slights as far back as 1956 or 1997. College football is so much better when we are winning, but it doesn't stop when we suck, and the UT administration screwed a lot of things up for a long time. I don't ever remember Herbstreit calling us irrelevant or saying that we would never be able to rebuild like a whole lot of pundits more popular than he is (on this site) were saying just two years ago. The were a few times Herbstreit even referred to us as a bit of a sleeping giant over the years, which is a hell of a lot more respectful than a lot of other people have been to this program.

Look the animosity towards Fowler is understandable. i get it, but Herbstreit has never been anti-TN. He usually calls it like he sees it. I could care less who he picks to win a game on Saturday, and I don't get the gloating. Herbie picked Bama and Florida to beat us this year. Who gives a $h!t? At least he is man enough to say that he was wrong.

 

['Boro-vol]

Hmm, Boro, that's pretty much what he meant by trailer park frenzy. That the average Tennessee fan lives in a trailer park and we're all there together in a frenzy over the Heisman snub.

Trailer park frenzy == trailer trash, when you're a tea-sipping, tennis-watching Connecticut liberal.

I’m not qualified to comment on what he meant…only what he actually said. It was bad enough without embellishment. Fowler is a punk and a clown…but even punks and clowns deserve to be represented accurately.

 

['Boro-vol]

I agree we shouldn't misrepresent what happened. Totally.

However, "trailer park frenzy" is equivalent to the stereotypical statement that "those Tennesseans all live in trailer parks" which, when deemed necessary to say, is a clear indication that you think those people are "trailer trash."

Prove me wrong.

I can’t prove you wrong…we’d have to go to Fowler for that.

I can, however, prove what he actually said. Which was the only point.

 

[volbound1700]

The same Herbstreit who was the only national pundit to pick us to win the Natty in 1998? That Herbstreit. The one who picked the Vols to beat UGA after Jamal tore his knee up? Herby has called things pretty fairly when it comes to us. Did he raise hell over the Schiano situation? Hell yeah because to anyone on the outside, they wouldn't understand why it was a bad hire. Was he wrong? Sure, but that doesn't mean he has it out for Tennessee.

The victim mentality is sometimes as bad as the BVS. We have an overabundance of it in our fanbase over percieved slights as far back as 1956 or 1997. College football is so much better when we are winning, but it doesn't stop when we suck, and the UT administration screwed a lot of things up for a long time. I don't ever remember Herbstreit calling us irrelevant or saying that we would never be able to rebuild like a whole lot of pundits more popular than he is (on this site) were saying just two years ago. The were a few times Herbstreit even referred to us as a bit of a sleeping giant over the years, which is a hell of a lot more respectful than a lot of other people have been to this program.

Look the animosity towards Fowler is understandable. i get it, but Herbstreit has never been anti-TN. He usually calls it like he sees it. I could care less who he picks to win a game on Saturday, and I don't get the gloating. Herbie picked Bama and Florida to beat us this year. Who gives a $h!t? At least he is man enough to say that he was wrong.

Yeah, I don't see the ESPN hate for Tennessee. They hosted Game Day in Knoxville twice this year and, to be frank, both of those Game Days (especially the Alabama one) have been the two best to date when it comes to the energy and effort put into it.

Lee Corso returned for the Alabama-Tennessee game and picked Tennessee.

I think the media has been very good to Tennessee this year.

 

[tweise]

If you need any reason to ignore anything Fowler has to say about TN, their conversation about the best players on the 98 team should slam that door. Herbie and Fowler mentioned 6-7 players from the offense before turning to defensive players. Several more guys are mentioned and finally Herbie mentions Al Wilson and Raynoch Thompson together. Fowler then goes on about Raynoch. WTF. I was dumbfounded. The heart and soul of the program, according to Fowler, is maybe the 15th most memorable player on that team and clearly 2nd fiddle to Raynoch Thomspon. That's an embarrassingly ignorant take.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Don't let them fool you, ESPN is loving the Tennessee is back Narrative and milking it.

They love anything that drives hype and we are driving hype this year. Now 3-4 years down the road when we are still back, they will turn on us and cheer for another underdog.

People just love underdogs and we are considered the underdog right now because of the last 15 years.

Astute observations...

 

[vols 30]

UT fans hate all Broadcasters. I mean all of them, including Bob K. They better not say one complimentary thing about the other team or they're doomed for UT Hate.

 

[Fightmaker]

Ler them grudges go folks. All this righteous indignation is hilarious.
We have good ole Uncle Gary on tap this week down in Athens. My only wish is that Verne could come out of retirement for this one....GoVols

Holding grudges and keeping receipts are two very different things.

 

[BornAndRaisedVOL!]

Earlier on GameDay, he said Ohio State was #1. So I feel like he was making comments to pander to the TV audience, much like he did last week about Bama. He knows what he’s doing

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Herbie is just kissing our Tennessee (_)_)'s and trying to get back in good with us again.

I'll never forget or forgive him for hurling all his crap at us over the years.

He's a rich (_)_)hole that lives in Belle Meade and he thinks he's better than everyone else.

He should be a tree that all dogs use to pee on.

He can kiss my bright Orange Tennessee (_)_) forever but my opinions and attitude towards him will NEVER change!!!

He already showed his true colors and who he really is.

I could enjoy walking up to him and spitting in his face and tellinng him exactly what I think of him and why but I won't do that.

UNlike Herbie I have much more class and dignity than to do something like that despite how much I might enjoy doing that, LOL!

Keep kissing those Tennessee (_)_)'s Herbie, you might fool some people over time but NEVER those if us that know how you really are deep onside yourself!

Go Vols, stomp those UGa bullFrawgs!!!

VFL...GBO!!!

 

[hUTch2002]

Providing this thread mostly for those who were in the stadium, or others who watched on TV but muted and synced the radio play calling to it.

You missed Herbie browbeating Fowler for pretty much the entirety of the game for not giving enough credit to the Vols' accomplishments this year.

For instance...

At one point, they were talking about the energy of the fan base. Fowler said something snide, like, "Yeah, I guess you can forgive their exuberance." Herbstreit looked over at him, then replied: "Forgive it? I honor it. I bow down to it. The loyalty and hunger for excellence of this fan base is something to respect!"

That's not an exact quote, going off memory. But Fowler was clearly thinking back to the "exuberance" of us lighting him up 20 years ago for his 'trailer trash' comment, and was 'forgiving' us in his head. Blow that out your butt, Fowler, we don't need your forgiveness. Herbie told it strraight.

For instance...

Herbie gave his guess at how the first CFP rankings will look, just the top 4 spots. And he had the Vols at #1. And then he started ragging on Fowler to give his prediction. And hounded him, over and over, until he finally did. At one point, Kirk called Fowler a chicken, lol.

It went on like that all evening. Herbstreit complimenting the Vols, or Hendon for Heisman, or Heupel and Golesh for their play-calling, or whatever, and then needling Fowler until he agreed they were awesome. All. game. long.

Herbie has been a douche a little bit since the Schiano thing, and did pick against us vs FL and Bama, but he showed up in orange (figuratively) last night, and held Fowler accountable for having an anti-Tennessee bias the whole time.

Thought you'd like to know that happened.

Go Vols!


EDIT and p.s. Almost forgot to mention: Fowler really tried, I mean tried hard, to pursue the "Levis is Superman" storyline. He stuck with it all the way into the 3rd quarter, until the reality of what was happening on the field became too much even for him to pretend any more. Then he just stopped talking about it.

Actually Herbie picked UF against us. Everyone else picked us and he went the other way because he said UF was hearing all the hype and getting mad. He said they would come out ready to play. He was right that they came out and played lights out and it still wasn’t enough. Oh how that tickles me!

 

[hUTch2002]

My favorite comment last night was the one where Fowler said most of our players weren’t alive the last time we beat Bama. Well that was 2006, which would mean all out players are 16 or younger. Genius.

 

[butchna]

He said the reaction was a "trailer park frenzy" not that we were trailer trash

Really same difference.

 

[BACKDOC]

Providing this thread mostly for those who were in the stadium, or others who watched on TV but muted and synced the radio play calling to it.

You missed Herbie browbeating Fowler for pretty much the entirety of the game for not giving enough credit to the Vols' accomplishments this year.

For instance...

At one point, they were talking about the energy of the fan base. Fowler said something snide, like, "Yeah, I guess you can forgive their exuberance." Herbstreit looked over at him, then replied: "Forgive it? I honor it. I bow down to it. The loyalty and hunger for excellence of this fan base is something to respect!"

That's not an exact quote, going off memory. But Fowler was clearly thinking back to the "exuberance" of us lighting him up 20 years ago for his 'trailer trash' comment, and was 'forgiving' us in his head. Blow that out your butt, Fowler, we don't need your forgiveness. Herbie told it strraight.

For instance...

Herbie gave his guess at how the first CFP rankings will look, just the top 4 spots. And he had the Vols at #1. And then he started ragging on Fowler to give his prediction. And hounded him, over and over, until he finally did. At one point, Kirk called Fowler a chicken, lol.

It went on like that all evening. Herbstreit complimenting the Vols, or Hendon for Heisman, or Heupel and Golesh for their play-calling, or whatever, and then needling Fowler until he agreed they were awesome. All. game. long.

Herbie has been a douche a little bit since the Schiano thing, and did pick against us vs FL and Bama, but he showed up in orange (figuratively) last night, and held Fowler accountable for having an anti-Tennessee bias the whole time.

Thought you'd like to know that happened.

Go Vols!


EDIT and p.s. Almost forgot to mention: Fowler really tried, I mean tried hard, to pursue the "Levis is Superman" storyline. He stuck with it all the way into the 3rd quarter, until the reality of what was happening on the field became too much even for him to pretend any more. Then he just stopped talking about it.

Yeah, I guess at this point Danielson regrets his comment, "the Vols would benefit from a 12 game playoff; they would be in about that 10 spot."

 

[VolsFan-TX]

UT fans hate all Broadcasters. I mean all of them, including Bob K. They better not say one complimentary thing about the other team or they're doomed for UT Hate.

We loved John Ward.

 

[butchna]

Well we really proved him wrong by hurling batteries at them during a visit

And WE did that as a collective? Really wish I hadn’t voted for that move.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Providing this thread mostly for those who were in the stadium, or others who watched on TV but muted and synced the radio play calling to it.

You missed Herbie browbeating Fowler for pretty much the entirety of the game for not giving enough credit to the Vols' accomplishments this year.

For instance...

At one point, they were talking about the energy of the fan base. Fowler said something snide, like, "Yeah, I guess you can forgive their exuberance." Herbstreit looked over at him, then replied: "Forgive it? I honor it. I bow down to it. The loyalty and hunger for excellence of this fan base is something to respect!"

That's not an exact quote, going off memory. But Fowler was clearly thinking back to the "exuberance" of us lighting him up 20 years ago for his 'trailer trash' comment, and was 'forgiving' us in his head. Blow that out your butt, Fowler, we don't need your forgiveness. Herbie told it strraight.

For instance...

Herbie gave his guess at how the first CFP rankings will look, just the top 4 spots. And he had the Vols at #1. And then he started ragging on Fowler to give his prediction. And hounded him, over and over, until he finally did. At one point, Kirk called Fowler a chicken, lol.

It went on like that all evening. Herbstreit complimenting the Vols, or Hendon for Heisman, or Heupel and Golesh for their play-calling, or whatever, and then needling Fowler until he agreed they were awesome. All. game. long.

Herbie has been a douche a little bit since the Schiano thing, and did pick against us vs FL and Bama, but he showed up in orange (figuratively) last night, and held Fowler accountable for having an anti-Tennessee bias the whole time.

Thought you'd like to know that happened.

Go Vols!


EDIT and p.s. Almost forgot to mention: Fowler really tried, I mean tried hard, to pursue the "Levis is Superman" storyline. He stuck with it all the way into the 3rd quarter, until the reality of what was happening on the field became too much even for him to pretend any more. Then he just stopped talking about it.

Fowler is a doosh factory.

- The end

 

[pasadenavol]

Hmm, Boro, that's pretty much what he meant by trailer park frenzy. That the average Tennessee fan lives in a trailer park and we're all there together in a frenzy over the Heisman snub.

Trailer park frenzy == trailer trash, when you're a tea-sipping, tennis-watching Connecticut liberal.

Easy on the 'tennis-watching', since our Vols Tennis team is consistently ranked top 3 in the country. I'll watch them crush the likes of FL and GA, tOSU, etc. any day...
Everything else I completely agree with...

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Sure but it wasn't such a direct insult.

And I liked the pig commercial. I know plenty who fit the stereotypes

I might resemble that stereotype...

 

[DaddyChad]

Well we really proved him wrong by hurling batteries at them during a visit

Had to get our energizer NIL somehow PJ.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Yeah, I don't see the hate from Herbie towards Tennessee. He spoke highly of Tennessee even during our time of mediocrity and still seems impressed with the Tennessee teams in the past.

Granted he wasn't sold on Tennessee in Game Day and picked against us both times. That is fair, you are always going to have doubters.

After Alabama, he stated Hendon Hooker was his top pick for Heisman and has maintained that.

I do think he sometimes also goes out of the way to not pick Ohio State for everything because of his background with them.

Agreed. UT fanbase apparently has quit watching gameday due to all of ESPNs baggage and poor decisions so this is a big misunderstanding....Vols listen guys...Herbstreit always picks AGAINST the other 4 when the 4 of them ALL pick the same team. Always. Thats why he picks last...every week. THATS why he had to pick against us both times this season...everyone else went VOLS. He even explained that during the bama game show...apparently whenever they ALL pick 1 team the blowback on the net, TV, radio etc is just insane. So they never do that anymore. He ends up taking 1 for his broadcast team...thats it. No reason to hate the guy for doing his job.

The same Herbstreit who was the only national pundit to pick us to win the Natty in 1998? That Herbstreit. The one who picked the Vols to beat UGA after Jamal tore his knee up? Herby has called things pretty fairly when it comes to us. Did he raise hell over the Schiano situation? Hell yeah because to anyone on the outside, they wouldn't understand why it was a bad hire. Was he wrong? Sure, but that doesn't mean he has it out for Tennessee.

The victim mentality is sometimes as bad as the BVS. We have an overabundance of it in our fanbase over percieved slights as far back as 1956 or 1997. College football is so much better when we are winning, but it doesn't stop when we suck, and the UT administration screwed a lot of things up for a long time. I don't ever remember Herbstreit calling us irrelevant or saying that we would never be able to rebuild like a whole lot of pundits more popular than he is (on this site) were saying just two years ago. The were a few times Herbstreit even referred to us as a bit of a sleeping giant over the years, which is a hell of a lot more respectful than a lot of other people have been to this program.

Look the animosity towards Fowler is understandable. i get it, but Herbstreit has never been anti-TN. He usually calls it like he sees it. I could care less who he picks to win a game on Saturday, and I don't get the gloating. Herbie picked Bama and Florida to beat us this year. Who gives a $h!t? At least he is man enough to say that he was wrong.

Nice post. Being upset about the Schiano stuff is valid...no doubt there. The gameday stuff is different... see above. Honestly, the crying on national TV by a grown man over a manufactured (and criminal ) racism based series of riots during the BLM fleecing of over $100million bothers me much more than the Schiano crap but I still like a Herbie broadcast because he is good at his job. He diagrams plays and shows viewers things about scheme that they could only possibly know if they played football and really paid attention...as well as some things only a D1 QB would know. He Does a pretty good job IMO.

If you need any reason to ignore anything Fowler has to say about TN, their conversation about the best players on the 98 team should slam that door. Herbie and Fowler mentioned 6-7 players from the offense before turning to defensive players. Several more guys are mentioned and finally Herbie mentions Al Wilson and Raynoch Thompson together. Fowler then goes on about Raynoch. WTF. I was dumbfounded. The heart and soul of the program, according to Fowler, is maybe the 15th most memorable player on that team and clearly 2nd fiddle to Raynoch Thomspon. That's an embarrassingly ignorant take.

Agreed...in college Al Wilson was the undisputed leader of the defense and team, and the AAmerican too. Fowler is a Connecticut liberal though...where did Thompson play all his Pro Bowl seasons?? You guessed it. The Patriots. His home team up there in dbag country. So he was a huge fan. Makes sense. Bet Fowler was frothing at the mouth pulling for his Brady led Patriots every time they played Peyton and the Colts...or knocked them out of the playoffs. Lots of good reasons to dislike Fowler.

 

[EZE]

Methinks that many in this fan base are WAY too sensitive. Seriously, some of you folks go out of your way look for ways to be offended.

 

[Probably_in_Class]

And it was still a real jerk move to describe Tennessee fans in that fashion. Then they doubled down with the Rocky Top pig commercial. ESPN - and Chris Fowler - knew what they were doing.

You can be mad about it for decades or you can laugh and move on. The rest of us went with the latter...

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

He said the reaction was a "trailer park frenzy" not that we were trailer trash

Fair enough. I was at the game and the Tennessee faithful didn't take it very well regardless. Thanks for the clarification.